GRIFF007

I was also told that 05 will come down to C £19.5k in a few weeks - I would say that Prodrive are missing out big time with not sorting out a reciprocal arrangement over neighbouring EU countries & PPP

How can it matter that the PPP is fitted in UK, land of Prodrive - this all smacks of continuing restrictive practices doesnt it?

lem0ncurd

Yep, sure does!

I can't see how Subaru are allowed to get away with it, it's outrageous. Especially the way that Subaru garages turn their noses up at EU cars, as if they were in some way inferior. Ultimately, the base car is identical to an equivalent UK model. The only differences are those which are added to the car once it arives in the UK which I have listed.

As for the excuse used largely by those who for some reason have a problem with ppl buying cheaper EU cars, the warranty available for the car is the same as on a UK car. The only difference is that any warranty work has to be signed off with the supplying country, but this can be taken care of by your local Subaru delaer, once your car is registered with IM. You don't need to learn Cypriot or Maltese!

LC

GRIFF007

Makes you wonder how much they can be bought for if you fly out and drive back with one as personal import (not even sure if there is any such paperwork as it is EU?) - catch the Euro at the right level and lets get Scoobynetting a few sunny scoobs!?

Anyone fancy approaching above countries and see what Euro price is for 05 STi beasty?

DPat

Unless something fundamental changes I'll be going for the 20k MY05 STI in the spring and I'll be pressing *very* hard for a PPP
I know my way round a court room and I'll be happy to find who thinks they don't have to offer these to euro imports

DPat

GRIFF007

err which side of the Dock??!!

Cant see why PPP is any different from Subaru warranty - ie obliged to be pan european

keep us posted with your findings:
a) dealings with newcarsupermarket In view of the whole WWW being full of Cartech horror stories
b) PPP and Pan Euro Warranty implications

£5k discount and warranty seems the way to go?

Gutmann pug

good luck ......i think you will need it.

GRIFF007

folk wouldnt be tempted to go through the hassle, if the Dealers / Manufs could manage European Sales correctly - surely Internat Currency Trading etc would allow for much closer price matching country by country

Why should we pay £26k for new 05 STi when we are being told they are available for less than £21 or even £20k (depending on UK upgrades taken)

I certainly dont see how the PPP fit can be outlawed??!!!!

Bodgery

Hi there - I only paid 23K for a brand new STI a few months back from a UK dealer. So the saving is £1,800. Still worth having of course, but not 5K difference.

Gutmann pug

Bodgery ......and of course the car will be worth less money when you come to sell it on ......... so probably comes out close to even.


Griff ......I know where your coming from and I know why your upset but the simple facts are that if you buy a euro car you wont be getting it PPP'd in the UK ........ and thats that. Accept it, get over it, and move on........

Bodgery

Yep, forgot that bit Gutmann - so no saving at all really, over the life of the vehicle (say 3 years)....and I've got it PPP'd, which is essential for an STI anyway.

GRIFF007

If I.M./ Dealers could start at £23k and come down to £21k under pursuation I think the Euro issue would simply go away over night, and all concerned would be happier knowing that cars are given proper Dealer support and hopefully help keep Subaru high in reliability and customer satisfaction ratings.

It simply destroys the market and customer confidence when there is such a gulf in price between RRP and available EU purchase price.

Nobody will both with EU route if difference is less than £1k like for like - this should be enough extra bunce for Subaru to sort out Euro Market...........

Come on chaps it shouldnt need your customers to tell you how to run your business. - Your customers are enthusiasts, we should be treated as such - not with disdain - bordering on contempt ('cant possibly service your new Subaru - it wasnt supplied by us...')

GRIFF007

and you are?

Gutmann pug

lol at griff .........

I own a Euro Sti ...... I had a warranty, probably not worth the paper it was written on. I have extensively modified it, so warranty no longer applicable. I accept it will never be as desirable as a UK sti, and like everyone else on here I know that PPP is a country of origin thing. It dont matter how much you bang on about prodrive this and IM that and consumer this that and the other it aint gonna change and thats that.....sorry fella but its Fact.

MJW

I find all the above statements most bemusing - probably because I drive a EU-sourced MY02 WRX with the 265ps PPP which was fitted by a UK dealer. Oh, and my warranty is still intact too.

Gutmann pug

well your lucky ......... fair play though

Just out of interest whose warranty have you got?

lem0ncurd

Well, you really have let the cat out of the bag then, this is news to everyone! Tell us more!!

LC

MJW

IM's 3-year pan-european

GRIFF007

just knew it had to be so.............

Which Dealer and what proof do you have that warranty is intact?

Gutmann pug

and who carries out the warranty work? out of interest coz im pretty sure that a uk dealer wont do it coz they wont be able to claim the money back from IM

pflowers

Can I just butt in ? AFAIK the UK MY05 prices have not been released yet ( unless someone can correct me ) so all this talk of 'savings' over UK price is irrelevant. IM may be about to realign the prices on UK spec, as they have done before.

Personaly I would never buy a non UK car and/or from a car supermarket, If you're not getting the full deal i.e. UK spec, underseal, alarm, warranty, no quible backup, IMO you may as well be buying privately. Remember you're not 'saving' five grand ( which has yet to be proved ) but 'spending' twenty.

I really don't believe that overall the imports work out any cheaper.

MJW

The dealers are obliged to carry out warranty work on EU cars. They claim the money back through the dealer network just as they would with a UK car (also I think the changes to the EU Block Exemption rules has something to do with it too)

I specifically asked the dealer about the warranty issue, as I had raised the point on this BBS at the time. I also asked Nick and Mike from Prodrive. Admittedly I do not have a sworn affidavit signed in blood by my dealer stating that they promise not to poke me with sharp sticks should I dare to lodge a warranty claim, but have not had any problems so far. I'm not really in a position to say 'what would happen if ...' as the car has been the most reliable car I've ever owned from new. Also the warranty will be up in March next year so from a personal standpoint I'm not too concerned.

I fail to see how a warranty claim wouldn't be honoured anyway. PPP is well within tolerances for the engine and gearbox or else they wouldn't fit it to UK cars. Also, EU cars up until fairly recently had to be serviced every 7500 miles as opposed to 10000 miles on UK cars, so as long as you stick to the schedule, an EU car is probably better looked after than a UK one.

The PPP, along with all my servicing is done by RN Golden in Huddersfield and I can't recommend them highly enough.

lem0ncurd

Mr Flowers,

After reading your comment, it would seem as though you had not read any of the other comments that have been made regarding EU imports.

You say that you don't believe that overall imports work out any cheaper?? Are you blind!?? It has already been factually proven that you can buy a EU import STI, which is IDENTICAL to a 'UK' STI, bar a few minor add ons which are insignificant, and can easily be added yourself at very little cost.

The precious warranty that people are so terrified of losing (even though Scoobs are about as reliable a car as you can get and rarely fail) is the same on a EU or UK car. You have the same warranty and hence cover, whichever car you buy. The only difference is that an EU car's warranty claim will have to be signed off by the supplying country - but this is no big issue and can be done through your dealer.

I really don't geddit!?? It seems that you and many others are determined to discredit the huge savings that can be made on an EU import, yet have absolutely no grounds on which to do so. The numbers are black and white, UK '05 STI's are to be sold for 26K, yet you will be able to buy an identical car with an identical 3 yr SUBARU warranty (just not Subaru UK) for a saving of around 5K.

Which part of those facts do you doubt, or not understand? It's quite clear surely, buy EU, save 5 grand. Or am I still being unclear?

Sheesh, what the hell is people's problem with saving 5k??

LC

GRIFF007

Thanks for professional and thorough response

GRIFF007

Im with the egg and lemon flavour spreaded version of reality!

Harry_Boy

Dealer tells me today that the '05 model STI has gone up by £1000.

I have a list of the spec changes, if anyone is still in any doubt....

pflowers

Lets look at the facts, imports are available for £21k, fine, but no one pays £26k for a uk car ( more like £24k ) if they do they get a generous over allowance on any part ex. So any difference here is down to a maximum three grand.

Then we have Import insurance.....more.....FACT, Import secondhand value......less......FACT, etc etc

Where is the £5k saving now..................?

pflowers

I meant to say my four month old WRX is in at the moment having a new gearbox, flywheel and starter motor, FOC with no hassle. The warranty is VERY important.

lem0ncurd

Nope sorry, just not the case.

Firstly, you will be VERY lucky to get 2K off a brand new version. Dealers are offering discounts on the outgoing model, but I doubt you'd see that much off a MY '05.

Second, EU cars, as they are identical to UK sourced cars, are no more expensive to insure. It is only the JDM cars that are more expensive due to the model differences.

As for trade in value, well, that's just luck of the draw. But, anyone who has sense enough to buy an EU car, will be likely to sell his car privately anyhow, and recoup far more than if he were to trade it in.

So all in all, you have not really proven why EU imports are such a bad deal..

LC

GRIFF007

still with you oh wise lemon!

GRIFF007

can you create a link or something please