Scoob99

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So he ***** around a bit as well, jealous is the word that comes to mind, Mind you with his money I'd be ******** around too
Cheers
Colin

Chip

Well thewy seemed to go on for quite a few years without Gabriel did'nt they.
Saw them just after he left so played all old Genesis anyway.

I liken the Gabriel thing to Pink Floyd without Waters.Both bands went on to much further success even though a lot could'nt accept it.

Chip.

tiggers

His 'distinctive' drumming style is half way down to the sound which I think he calls 'gated reverb'. Peter Gabriel 'invented' the sound in the studio in 1979 when Collins was drumming for some tracks on Gabriel's third solo album. A year later and Collins starts claiming it was he who 'invented' it - surprise surprise.

Given that Gabriel's entire solo career has been included pioneering and ground breaking use of synthesizers (it was he who really first showed what the Fairlight could be made to do) and effects processing on conventional musical instruments whereas Collin's sound has never changed from his first solo or Genesis albums to his last I am inclined to feel that Gabriel was more likely to be responsible for 'inventing' the sound/style.

Not surprising really as Gabriel has more talent in his little finger than Collins has in his entire body IMO of course.

tiggers.

tiggers

Commercial success yes, musical success - I don't think so. As for accepting it - no problem - still think he's blander than bland thing though.

Put it this way I have seen Peter Gabriel perform in concert over ten times whereas just having a DVD of a Collins concert on in the background was more than I could bear.

Still each to their own I guess.

tiggers.

Freak

Actually (actually) it was Hugh padgham who produced,engineered and mixed on : Face Value, Hello I Must Be Going, No Jacket Required, ...But Seriously and most other stuff.
He has also worked with peter gabriel

It is Hugh who was responsible for the gated drum sound mentioned- very effective too. He is an absolutely amazing engineer and producer- as are both gabriel and collins in their own right too

tiggers

Freak,

Hugh did work as an engineer on Peter Gabriel's third album with Steve Lillywhite and Larry Fast producing, but Gabriel claims in his autobiography that he 'invented the sound' during these recording sessions when experimenting 'after hours' with various sounds via then new and cheaper effects processors.

So that's three of them laying claim to it then

tiggers.

carl

Daniel, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Rocket Man, Song for Guy, Sorry Seems To Be The Hardest Word, Your Song...

Freak

As the sound crops up in other projects hugh worked on (Synchronicity being the one that springs to mind), albeit not as prominently, i was always inclined to believe it was hugh responsible for it.
I guess we will never know
(im a drummer and a producer/engineer btw and used to trainspot this stuff all the time)

you really hate Phil dont you !!

Sith

I've bought all the Phill Collins Simply Vinyl 180gsm albums and the Genesis SV pressings aswell. They rock. Phill for Premier.

tiggers

Freak,

As you say we shall probably never know although to be fair Peter Gabriel seems to be an artist with few ego problems (unlike so many others) and credits many other people in his interviews and autobiography as helping him with his career so I doubt whether he'd deliberately claim this sort of thing without some grain of truth. Still, stranger things have happened.

As a producer/engineer I would imagine you would appreciate much of Gabriel's early solo work - some real groundbreaking stuff - particularly his third and fourth albums.

And yes it's fair to say I'm not keen on Phil Collins He really is soooo bland.

tiggers.

Chip

Remember Gabriel left in 1975. Genesis went on to record Trick of the Tail,Duke , Three sides live etc. All of which were claasic albums, as was of course Seconds Out.

So yes, they did have musical success in the immediate aftermath of Gabriel leaving wheras Gabriel himself who is undeniably brilliant seemed to wallow in the doldrums for a few years until the release of sledgehammer which brought him massive commercial success though even this was on the back of that amazing video.

Chip

tiggers

Chip,

Sorry, but I just don't think anything Genesis recorded since Gabriel left is muscially as good or as adventurous as when he was still in the band. Yes it may be more commercial which is fine, but the earlier albums are still the more accomplished I feel.

As for Peter Gabriel and Sledgehammer - you are equating air play and chart positions with musical accomplishment. 'So' the album Sledgehammer is from was Gabriel's fifth 'real' studio album (excluding soundtrack work etc.) and easily his most commercially successful.

However, although his first two solo albums were fairly conventional (by his standards anyway) with his third and fourth albums he broke new ground with synthesizers and effects processing as well as using Asian and African influences in much of his music (way before the 'World Music' scene was even thought of).

Couple this with the enormous amount of world charity work he undertook and his promotion of artists from Third World countries (before it was 'trendy' to do so) and to say he was in the doldrums is not really fair.

tiggers.

unclebuck

Wasn't that video done by the same people who did Evil Dead? Sledgehammer was his *only* commercial success AFAIK. So it could equally be argued that he vanished into his own rectum.

BTW I worked on the original WOMAD festival and was the proud owner of one of the legendary crew "Head Injury List" sweat shirts.

UB

ajm

Seems Peter Gabriel is more into new media rather than persuing his music career. A mate of mine works for his company OD2 in Bristol:

http://www.ondemanddistribution.com/...us/theteam.asp

carl

Steam?

tiggers

Gabriel has never been a 'singles' artist (the best never are) although he has had hits with among others Solsbury Hill, Games without Frontiers, Don't Give Up and Steam as well as Sledgehammer of course.

His album sales are fairly good particualrly his third, fourth, So and Us albums.

He has also done a lot of soundtrack work e.g. Last Temptation of Christ, Birdy, CIty of Angels etc.

Then there is his Real World record label and WOMAD etc.

As ajm says he is interested in new technology and is now moving into new media. He is now part of a group of artists looking at how they can use the Internet to distrubute their music sensibly rather than being throttled by the dinosaur like thinking of the music industry giants who still don't get the fact that conventional music sales have only a limited lifespan remaining.

Anyway at least he doesn't spend his whole time writing and recording bland boring songs, engaging in cheap publicity stunts and making stupid statements about emigrating if a less than right wing government get elected like the other idiot.

tiggers.

the moose

Rocket Man I'll concede .... the others do nothing for me at all, I'm afraid.

STi-Frenchie

I agree with tiggers, for me the more accomplished artist is Gabriel. I guess it's all down to what you personally prefer, commercial clap-trap-for-the-masses or something a little more cerebral.

Now though, it's back to something a little more brutal for my aural pleasures