9/11 Conspiracy?
#121
Originally Posted by Buzzer
National Geographics "9/11 Seconds from Disaster" which is on in a few nights
#122
Originally Posted by Buckrogers
Watched it a few nights ago, very interesting. Also watched the beebs documentry on the collaspe of the WT towers some time ago, again very interesting.
What did you think of the film clip which freezed and was digitally enhanced, was it a large plane or not?
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Originally Posted by Nimbus
Take a look here..
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showpost....1&postcount=37
Looks like evidence of a plane to me....
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showpost....1&postcount=37
Looks like evidence of a plane to me....
What I can never understand is what do the conspiracy theorists propose happened to the missing aircraft and everyone on board? However cynical the pentagon and US security services maybe about loss of life of non-US citizens in other countries, there is no way they will sacrifice a plane load of their own citizens, absolutely no way.
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Originally Posted by *Sonic*
French Boy shut the f*** up if you havent got anything constructive to add
Im still waiting to hear what your thoughts are on what happened, instead of the constan dissing you appear to be doing
Im still waiting to hear what your thoughts are on what happened, instead of the constan dissing you appear to be doing
I'm all for keeping an open mind, I must admit at first glance these theories are quite interesting and seductively plausible. However, they dont really seem to stand up to close scrutiny and there is not one point that I haven't seen adequately countered.
So *Sonic* I will take your advice and am now going to "Shut the f*ck up" as this is getting boring and I have things to be getting on with in the real world.
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Originally Posted by *Sonic*
We were told a Plane hit the Pentagon, show me those Facts
there are absolutly NO FACTS AT ALL, NO evidence, NO Proof, and NO footage that a Plane hit, show me those
Therefore it is FACT that something else caused the damage
there are absolutly NO FACTS AT ALL, NO evidence, NO Proof, and NO footage that a Plane hit, show me those
Therefore it is FACT that something else caused the damage
There is alot of debris from an airplane of some sort within the wrecked building.
There is not a single witness that says they saw a missile hit the Pentagon.
There is nothing left of the missile that hit it.
Missiles do leave debris as well, the scuds that hit Israel in the first Gulf war left very visible debris, and they hit the ground (at least has hard as the Pentagon) at a far higher speed.
So, there is evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon, and pretty much none that it was a missile, os your argument really does not stand up.
There are inconsistencies of course, but as has already been pointed out, no one has run a comprehensive program of slamming commercial airliners into large buildings for a complete set of control results to satisfy conpiracy nutters in future events.
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#128
Originally Posted by *Sonic*
We were told a Plane hit the Pentagon, show me those Facts
there are absolutly NO FACTS AT ALL, NO evidence, NO Proof, and NO footage that a Plane hit, show me those
Therefore it is FACT that something else caused the damage
there are absolutly NO FACTS AT ALL, NO evidence, NO Proof, and NO footage that a Plane hit, show me those
Therefore it is FACT that something else caused the damage
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"there are absolutly NO FACTS AT ALL, NO evidence, NO Proof, and NO footage that a Plane hit, show me those "
lol...are these ppl for real? wheres the footage of your postman this morning? MY GOD you must have had letters via laser guide bomb! FACT
lol...are these ppl for real? wheres the footage of your postman this morning? MY GOD you must have had letters via laser guide bomb! FACT
#131
After seeing all the websites with the pentagon photos and watching the program I doubt that a 757 hit the pentagon....
It is pretty hard to fly a commercial plane 1 ft off the ground,the ground effect would make it very difficult and the so called hijacker of this plane was the worse pilot on his pilots course and failed...
There were a few witnesses that say they saw the plane go over the freeway but at 9:30 in the morning in the city there would have been thousands of people who would have seen a 757 a few feet off the ground but do you hear from them??
I also saw another programme a few weeks ago that was about the pentagon and how they were bringing it upto date as it would not pass any building codes in the USA as it was.The rebuilding would take years and it included making the building stronger.It just so happens the plane hit a section that was being worked on...But where were the workmen when the plane hit??
You can see alot of building supplies in some of the photos so there should have been workmen there....
It is pretty hard to fly a commercial plane 1 ft off the ground,the ground effect would make it very difficult and the so called hijacker of this plane was the worse pilot on his pilots course and failed...
There were a few witnesses that say they saw the plane go over the freeway but at 9:30 in the morning in the city there would have been thousands of people who would have seen a 757 a few feet off the ground but do you hear from them??
I also saw another programme a few weeks ago that was about the pentagon and how they were bringing it upto date as it would not pass any building codes in the USA as it was.The rebuilding would take years and it included making the building stronger.It just so happens the plane hit a section that was being worked on...But where were the workmen when the plane hit??
You can see alot of building supplies in some of the photos so there should have been workmen there....
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Just a few additional comments
- wing mounts are very strong, but trust me, they are *not* strong enough to cope with a 400mph impact with concrete, they *will* break
- Nobody flew a plane 1 ft off the ground for any length of time, the plane would have come in at a dive angle of some description. Then it really isn't very difficult.
- wing mounts are very strong, but trust me, they are *not* strong enough to cope with a 400mph impact with concrete, they *will* break
- Nobody flew a plane 1 ft off the ground for any length of time, the plane would have come in at a dive angle of some description. Then it really isn't very difficult.
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Originally Posted by turbotroll
You tell me. Does it not raise even the slightest red flag that the leaseholder admits that the building was 'pulled', when the official story was that it collapsed due to fire damage?
Imagine telling your insurance company that your house burned down, only to admit you blew it up. I think you would be investigated immediatley!
Imagine telling your insurance company that your house burned down, only to admit you blew it up. I think you would be investigated immediatley!
You have taken 1 word out of context and jumped to a whole load of conclusions.
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Originally Posted by akshay67
Interesting. I don't recall any pictures of the plane when hit Pentagon - were any ever released in the first place? Anyone got any links?
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PS - French Boy, I am assuming you can help out here ;-)
Cheers!
PS - French Boy, I am assuming you can help out here ;-)
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Originally Posted by *Sonic*
We were told a Plane hit the Pentagon, show me those Facts
there are absolutly NO FACTS AT ALL, NO evidence, NO Proof, and NO footage that a Plane hit, show me those
Therefore it is FACT that something else caused the damage
there are absolutly NO FACTS AT ALL, NO evidence, NO Proof, and NO footage that a Plane hit, show me those
Therefore it is FACT that something else caused the damage
There is plenty of proof for a plane hitting:
1) Witness statements
2) Wreckage on the lawn
3) Wreckage in the Pentagon
4) Forensic evidence
5) Computer models carried out to work out how it happened
Proof for soemthing else hitting the Pentagon????
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Originally Posted by *Sonic*
I know what your saying Chief, but there isnt a single piece of wreckage at the pentagon at all, and the reels of cable never moved at all
1) Plane crash
2) Hurridly brought in at night and scattered about
Also that particular section of the Pentagon was under re-construction as part of renovation works that was going on at the time, so that particular section was likely to be weaker than other parts, hence needing the work doing to it
I would like to believe it was a plane, but there isnt any evidence, only what we were told on the news etc
And unitl such time as some evidence appears I intend to keep an open mind as to what happened
And unitl such time as some evidence appears I intend to keep an open mind as to what happened
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Originally Posted by Buzzer
Yes turbotroll but to answer all those questions look here. I was trying to find the digitally enhanced video of the plane hitting the building but couldn't find it. However its being screened on National Geographics programme "9/11 Seconds from Disaster". It (meaning the vid) clearly shows a plane slamming into the wall.
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
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The wings joining the main body of the plane IS the strongest point of most planes.
The wings joining the main body of the plane IS the strongest point of most planes.
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
...and to me.
What I can never understand is what do the conspiracy theorists propose happened to the missing aircraft and everyone on board? However cynical the pentagon and US security services maybe about loss of life of non-US citizens in other countries, there is no way they will sacrifice a plane load of their own citizens, absolutely no way.
What I can never understand is what do the conspiracy theorists propose happened to the missing aircraft and everyone on board? However cynical the pentagon and US security services maybe about loss of life of non-US citizens in other countries, there is no way they will sacrifice a plane load of their own citizens, absolutely no way.
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
What I can never understand is what do the conspiracy theorists propose happened to the missing aircraft and everyone on board?
Joking apart, I'm surprised some ******* hasn't actually proposed that !
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Originally Posted by Geezer
They are storing it in the same studio they used to fake the Moon landings
Joking apart, I'm surprised some ******* hasn't actually proposed that !
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Joking apart, I'm surprised some ******* hasn't actually proposed that !
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Originally Posted by Geezer
LOL! What's the website? I gotta see that!!!!!
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As i say by that point the credibility was wearing thin and I resisted the temptation to bookmark it!!
#146
Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
However cynical the pentagon and US security services maybe about loss of life of non-US citizens in other countries, there is no way they will sacrifice a plane load of their own citizens, absolutely no way.
1000+ US army lives
tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian lives
= one of the worlds most desirable oil reserves
Worth it? Without a shadow of doubt I believe that Bush thinks so.
Bob
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Why on earth would Bush need to instigate fake terrorist attacks to invade Iraq? What an absurd suggestion! He would have gone into Iraq if 9/11 happened or not. If anything, without 9/11 it would have happened sooner because he would not have been distracted by Afghanistan!
#148
Originally Posted by Sprint Chief
Why on earth would Bush need to instigate fake terrorist attacks to invade Iraq? What an absurd suggestion! He would have gone into Iraq if 9/11 happened or not. If anything, without 9/11 it would have happened sooner because he would not have been distracted by Afghanistan!
Now he has shown his ability to invade (and destroy), other countries are more wary. Also has shot down the credibility of UN which suits him no end.
A law unto themselves now (the US that is).
Bob
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I believe Bush had sufficient support to wage the wars he wanted to in the US anyway. He didn't care about the UN or outside support so that is a red herring.
To fake a terrorist incident like this would be massively risky. The first rule in keeping secrets is to ensure as few people know as possible. The more people that know, the more likely there will be a leak. Most "massive conspiracy" theories are almost certainly wrong because it is simply impossible to keep a secret across the number of people involved.
The risk of being found out outweighs the benefits by about a billion to one, IMHO. Nobody would do something like that, not even someone as mad as Saddam Hussein.
A law unto themselves? They have been for a while, nothing to do with terrorist attacks, just because they are the only remaining superpower. All these things you describe would be true whether 9/11 happened or not.
To fake a terrorist incident like this would be massively risky. The first rule in keeping secrets is to ensure as few people know as possible. The more people that know, the more likely there will be a leak. Most "massive conspiracy" theories are almost certainly wrong because it is simply impossible to keep a secret across the number of people involved.
The risk of being found out outweighs the benefits by about a billion to one, IMHO. Nobody would do something like that, not even someone as mad as Saddam Hussein.
A law unto themselves? They have been for a while, nothing to do with terrorist attacks, just because they are the only remaining superpower. All these things you describe would be true whether 9/11 happened or not.