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yeah but what happened last time?

We were hardly occupying and running the country!

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Jason. Out of curiousity, what do you think of the level of threat our country is facing from terrorists?

Tiggs

bob....are you suggesting that George Bush is so evil as to kill 3000 + US civillians to further his own position?

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Evil.....yes.

very

Tiggs

and why would he do this?

power, wealth, both or neither?

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his connections with the oil industry is very well known. I am sure he will profit very much out of the "re-building of Iraq".

Has also secured some much needed oil reserves for the US

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Well, put it this way. He has killed tens of thousands of civilians already.

Tiggs

no doubt...but,

this is a bloke that went to harvard and yale.....lets assume he's clever enough (and has the right connnections via his dad, grandfather,etc) to go into any business and ignore politics in search of more money.

however, instead he goes into politics.....he has 2 kids and some dogs...he belives in old fashion values on marriage he loves baseball and fishing.

and he is happy to use his position of running the country on behalf of the ppl to murder 3000 civis to boost his oil wealth?

somehow.....i cant see it.

T

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Clever? Now thats a joke. He is as dumb as they come. At least when Blair is spinning us he is half convincing.

He was into business (oil) in a big way (and still is)


He loves money, business, power and war

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and he is happy to use his position of running the country on behalf of the ppl to murder 3000 civis to boost his oil wealth?

somehow.....i cant see it.

T[/QUOTE]

Whats the running count of number of people killed in Iraq?

And yes he has significantly boosted his wealth.

To believe that money hasn't got anything to do with it is extremely naive. How about his relationship to the Bin Laden family? How close are they and Bush? How much money do the Saudis have in the US economy?

Wake up and smell the $hit governments shovel.

Tiggs

you may laugh but i paint a picture of one man and you paint a picture of an evil nutter that murdered people and then pretended it was someone else.

i think you'll find i have more proof for my version than you!

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I doubt it very much that you have more proof of 'good character'.

He has significant interests in the oil industry FACT

He is close to the Bin Laden family FACT

He ordered the invasion of a Soverign state and murdered tens of thousands of humans on false grounds FACT

He mislead his country FACT

The guy is a loose cannonball!

Bob

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Oh and what is your proof?

Tiggs

"Clever? Now thats a joke. He is as dumb as they come. "

well he's pretty switch on to get away with the biggest killing on US soil in a very long time.


"He was into business (oil) in a big way (and still is)"

so? you cant make the assumption that becasue he gains from war he murders US citizens.

"He loves money, business, power and war"

every other post on SN is about work, money or airguns.....maybe it was us that did it?

"Whats the running count of number of people killed in Iraq?"

no idea? and not something i am commenting on.

"And yes he has significantly boosted his wealth."

again...huge jump to link that to murder of 3000 ppl

"To believe that money hasn't got anything to do with it is extremely naive. "

to do with what? dont wander on your point. your saying he knocked down the towers for money?

"How about his relationship to the Bin Laden family?"
dont care if he;s ******** Mrs Laden...still dont see how that links him to murder?

"Wake up and smell the $hit governments shovel."

have you been to NY?

Tiggs

no...i have proof for the statements i made...which ones do you dispute?

i think the leap between "no proof of good character" and "killer" is a large one?

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Well you havent really made a convincing defence for him

Are you suggesting that the killing of 3000 us people is worse than the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi people? It comes accross that way

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We know it has benefitted him and the US (oil).

We know there is lots of circumstantial evidence to suggest foul play in 9/11

We know that tens of thousand of people have been killed in Iraq.

All a bit convinent and suspect I would say. I dont know whether he actually crashed planes into the WTC but add it all up and it starts stinking somewhat.

Does it really make that much difference if he actually crashed the planes, when he is able to drop missiles and cluster bombs on a country which pose no threat?

Sprint Chief

I don't think anyone is saying that or is suggesting anything of that sort?

What people are suggesting is that your implication that George Bush *needed* to kill 3000 US citizens in order to invade Iraq is complete madness. Even if 9/11 had not happened he would have had plenty of home support for the invasion of Iraq. In terms of the UN and the outside world, he doesn't need to worry, he presides over the only remaining superpower.

All this means that he would gain nothing from instigating one of the most improbable conspiracy theories since Elvis was spotted on the moon flying a Lancaster bomber. If he would gain nothing from it... and potentially lose everything if it went wrong... (they still have the death sentence is Texas y'know, and dubya is a big believer in it) where is the motive?

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Motive? There has been much anti-war sentiment as it is let alone if 9/11 didn't happen. Money, power, oil.

I am not saying that he did crash the planes, but that it is extremely convienent and has many questions hanging over it.

Most believe what they are told. Some disbelieve everything they are told. Others look at the evidence and make they're own minds up....thats all the thread was about. Discussion of differring views.

Regards,

Bob

Sprint Chief

I've already said I'm willing to keep an open mind - I've looked at the evidence, there are some pieces of evidence which happen to be an area of my own expertise, and the claims by the conspiracy theorists in these areas were quite inaccurate. There are other things which touch on areas I know a fair amount about but wouldn't claim to be an expert in, but that I know enough to see that the claims are similarly inaccurate.

The Americans I know well (admittedly mainly from Texas and Arizona, not exactly a balanced cross section) would follow George Bush through an invasion of the entire world, let alone Iraq, irrespective of 9/11.

As for the claim that 9/11 was the best way to pave the way for George Bush invading Iraq, that is a real logical breakdown. George Bush was a successful businessman, and successful businessmen get where they are by minimising risk and maximising gain. Faking a terrorist attack would be the equivalent of maximising risk and minimising gain! Put simply, there is no motive.

If someone could provide irrefutable proof that a conspiracy took place, then fair enough. But the quality of arguments on this thread has been very, very weak. Innocent until proven guilty.

Tiggs

im just defending him as not far from a normal human...your accusing him of being a very evil human indeed.

and to answer your question...YES...to americans (he's their president) killing 30 US citizens is prob worse than wiping out the rest of the planet.

only a few % of yanks leave the US...to them america is the world. NO PRESIDENT is mad enough to murder 3000 people in NY city.

im staggered you can even think it.....this is not "was there a lone gunman" "was teddy kennedy drunk" "did bill get a blow job" type of cover up.....you are saying he killed all those ppl for personal gain and no one that was enlisted to help thought of standing against him?

THINK WHAT YOUR SAYING!

you couldnt even make a movie about it as its so stupid (you watch to much 24!)

moses

i hear the aryan nations in the usa wanted the twin towers to go down and very were happy and made osama a honourary aryan club member and thats no bullsh1t

they put up a link in their website and had to delete the original link coz of the problems they suffered

dont know the whole story

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lol, I always believe whatever is on TV

turbotroll

'Pull' is the industry term, as confirmed in the video where engineers discuss 'pulling' WTC 5+6. WTC 7 was evacuated before and during the collapse of WTC 1 - everyone was out (apart from one secret service agent). Here's the exact phrase:


In a September 2002 PBS documentary called 'America Rebuilds,' Silverstein states, in reference to World Trade Center Building 7, "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

In the FEMA report they didn't know why WTC 7 collapsed, it was theorised that diesel generators exploded - however this was dismissed by the same FEMA report.

As reported by Infowars, even if they did decide to 'pull' the building and it collapsed before they had the chance to do so, there are inconsistencies.
To quote Infowars directly:

'How could they safely and successfully demolish the building that day when it would take at least a few days to rig the explosives in a 47 story building?'

To add - apparently the fires were uncontrolable, so how (going back to the above quote) could it be pulled safely and successfully to prevent the loss of further life?

Buckrogers

Home "support" is irrelevant. Fine, he had / would have had enough home support. Yes, they are the only superpower in the world. Yes, they can "take on" whoever they like and win.



Can you imagine what would have happened if USA went it alone in Afgan OR Iraq? Rightly or wrongly, the UK was there (amongst others). If we weren't, the whole world would be in a far worse place than what it is now.



Bush is a puppet. He rarely does Q & A sessions with the press because he has no script and he cannot think.



There is an American "Homeland Security" report which was published prior to 9/11. It contained something along the lines of "America needs some catastrophic event such as PearlHarbour to (can't remember the next exact bit, but something like...) reform homeland security." Part of this report was written by GW Bush's brother.



Classified documents, now released under America's 25 year rule, show that during the Cuba crisis it was considered to blow up an American warship near Cuba's coast to thereby justify striking "back" at Cuba for sinking their warship.

Sbradley

Pentagon.

I was due to go out there September 13th to do some analysis work (ironically - and no longer classified - on terrorist threat analysis and the likelihood of an incident involving an airborne delivery system). I got a phone call on the afternoon of 11th Sept from the guy I was supposed to be meeting who calmly informed me that his office was on fire and I shouldn't come out.

He actually saw the impact.

This guy as straight as a die. I served with him and trust him implicitly. If he says there was an airliner that struck The Pentagon then there was an airliner that struck The Pentagon.

Is there more to the whole thing than meets the eye? Probably. But though I don't like George Dubya I don't think he or his cronies are capable of this sort of outrage.

Though Blair might be...

SB

Buckrogers

I have no doubt that they did break. Just would like to know how each of the engines, at what 2 tonne each? (2 tonne x 400mph=xxxx), managed to fold in with the wings and go through the 16ft main hole OR that they both happened to go through windows....

Geezer

Where does this 16ft hole thing come from? As far as I can tell, the 16 ft hole is the EXIT hole in ring C, not the entry hole at the front of the building.

Even if it is the case, the engines may well weigh 2 tonnes, but it's not like a solid block of lead, it would break up and disperse as readily as the rest of the plane.

Geezer