gareth123

No, you deffo get a permit with a limited number of deer on it. Now the Assault Weapons Ban has expired me and my AK-47 are off to the woods to help The Balance

gsm1

ajm, sorry I'm just not convinced by any of the arguments.

Okay, educate me. Is there absolutely no other wildlife that has no predators other than human but numbers have been maintained by shooting rather than killing by 'sport'?

Jye

Of course not, lets just shoot anything that moves m8, licence or not

wheeler_dealer

Er no. If the deer are on your land you can shoot it. No questions asked. If you are on somebody elses property then maybe.

Jye

Tasmanian Tigers, nasty vermin, thank god for humanity and our self governing systems

ajm

Permits with numbers may be issued by the landowners such as the national trust or deer stalking syndicates for their own land but this isn't a requirement by law.

Its tricky to have a serious discussion with you these days, you seem to have picked up a talent for continuous stirring wise cracks from someone....

unclebuck

Come the 'Third Term' this will not be a problem. It will compulsory that all horses will have GPS units inserted under their skins (just like all cars) thus enabling monitoring of all movements easily loggable and traceable.

UB

unclebuck

I suspect Jon's hit the voddie.

UB

gareth123

Er no.


DEER, ARCHERY (Antlered & Antlerless) Statewide: Oct. 2-Nov. 13 & Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. One antlered deer per license year; one antlerless deer with each required license. Crossbows may be used in WMUs 2B, 5C & 5D.

DEER (Antlered & Antlerless) Statewide: Nov. 29-Dec. 11. One antlered deer per hunting license year. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.

ANTLERLESS DEER (Statewide): Oct. 21-23 for Junior and Senior license holders, Disabled Person Permit (vehicle use) holders, and residents serving on active duty in U.S. Armed Services or U.S. Coast Guard only, with required antlerless license. Also, persons who have reached or will reach their
65th birthday in year of license application.

DEER, ANTLERLESS MUZZLELOADER (Statewide): Oct. 16-23. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.

DEER, ANTLERED or ANTLERLESS FLINTLOCK (Statewide): Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. One antlered or antlerless deer with general license backtag and an additional antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.

DEER, ANTLERLESS (WMUs 2B & 5C): Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.

DEER, ANTLERLESS (WMU 5D): Dec. 13-18 & Dec. 27-Jan. 29, 2005. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.

ajm

Its called "Boom and Bust" mathematics. Species not controlled by predation will continue to multiply until such a time prey cannot sustain predator. Predator starves, prey booms etc.

We accept that if we weren't fox predators we would get boom and bust. Hunting is just a part of fox predation that happens to keep people in jobs, people find fun (even though you don't) and also incentivises people not to slaughter them completely. It works, it always has worked - in short if it aint broke, don't fix it.

Your perception is that is is wrong. Wrong by human artificial morals? Maybe. Wrong in terms of maintaining a natural balance? No.

Jye

Perhaps I just dont give your 'discussions' these days any real merit, it seems so self centered tbo. But I guess many animals such as foxes animals don't deserve rights, it would limit our ability to exploit them eh...

The world is not a machine ajm, designed to produce and sustain only human life, not only have humans become disassociated with nature, but now we dont want certain animals to be part of nature either. Why dont you work out why I resort to 'wise cracks m8

ajm

Are you in the United States?

Jye

Hey, dont tempt me to phone you UB, I still have the number in my 'book'

wheeler_dealer

I gets me. Why the good old badger isn't taken off the protected list because it would save the government so much money. The badger is one of the biggest spreaders of T.B in the country. Just wait until the problem gets so big that they will be going into towns just like the old fox !!

Jye

Get rid of the cows we eat and TB wont be a problem then............

unclebuck

LOL - phone away.

gareth123

We always got a result in elections before we allowed women to vote.

The current system *is* broken. We can fix it. It ain't rocket science*


*(or cider making, for the yokels).

wheeler_dealer

You have a dull view you CHAV. Cows still don't go into the food chain you dumbass.

Jye

lol, muppet, it's the cows that get TB from badgers...................

gareth123

Yes. Americans kill wildlife too, you know. System works here - no shortage of deer around.

Jye

Anyhow, on the subject of badgers and foxes, foxes will sometimes co-habit or shelter in badger setts, and once dogs are sent into a badger sett in order to bolt any foxes that might be present, it is impossible to control what they do or where they go, and if badgers are present the dogs are just as likely to attack them as they are any fox that is present. Yet another 'man made' self control method.

wheeler_dealer

I know but are badgers any use for anything ? I think cows are !!!!

Jye

Nope they just waste space on the planet for us humans, so I guess they are useless?

Eh??? Your not making much sense tbo!!!!!!

dumbass, what a w@nk word................................. LOL

ajm

You have completely misinterpreted what I am about. Here I am arguing for methods of control that will SUSTAIN species levels and you have me down as some genocidal maniac.

Have all our discussions about the impact of non-indigenous predators on species populations fallen on deaf ears? You have ignored the fact that all through these threads my arguments consistently centre around SUSTAINING natural levels of wildlife.

And as you berate me you do so knowing British wildife is suffering as a direct consequence of your choice of pet. Selfish? Yes I guess we all are.

gareth123

They make great shaving brushes.

Jye

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo!!!!!!! Dontttttttttttt doooooooooooo itttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt................... .............

OK, I wont berate you, miawww..........

Jye

Unlike the fox

ajm

If your numbers are accurate then it is still a significant amount that will change overnight.

If you really believe the numbers killed by fox hunting are so insignificant how can you justify destroying a British institution?

And while we are on the subject, I don't see it as barbaric, I see it as one animal killing another as quickly as it can. It doesn't pull my heart strings any more than watching a lion smother a zebra. The only thing that galls you about it is that there are people there enjoying the hunt, and because you personally cannot identify with them you would seek to deprive them of that.

ajm

I was referring to the cat threads - as if you didn't know!

ajm

I was referring to the fact that you were challenging my facts on UK deer hunting laws by quoting USA laws!