Ok, Fox Hunting.
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Originally Posted by ajm
By the way, deer hunting is not licensed by numbers, if you have a firearm, a game licence (not needed on private land) and you have land on which you have permission to shoot then you can hunt deer.
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ajm, sorry I'm just not convinced by any of the arguments.
Okay, educate me. Is there absolutely no other wildlife that has no predators other than human but numbers have been maintained by shooting rather than killing by 'sport'?
Okay, educate me. Is there absolutely no other wildlife that has no predators other than human but numbers have been maintained by shooting rather than killing by 'sport'?
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Originally Posted by gareth123
No, you deffo get a permit with a limited number of deer on it. Now the Assault Weapons Ban has expired me and my AK-47 are off to the woods to help The Balance
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Originally Posted by gareth123
No, you deffo get a permit with a limited number of deer on it.
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Of course not, lets just shoot anything that moves m8, licence or not
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Is a police man on horse back going to be with them to make sure they don't go after a fox ?
Just imaging how many permits the PIG will have to have to go across all the farmers fields. It will be hilarious !!!!
Just imaging how many permits the PIG will have to have to go across all the farmers fields. It will be hilarious !!!!
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Its tricky to have a serious discussion with you these days, you seem to have picked up a talent for continuous stirring wise cracks from someone....
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Originally Posted by wheeler_dealer
Er no. If the deer are on your land you can shoot it. No questions asked. If you are on somebody elses property then maybe.
DEER, ARCHERY (Antlered & Antlerless) Statewide: Oct. 2-Nov. 13 & Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. One antlered deer per license year; one antlerless deer with each required license. Crossbows may be used in WMUs 2B, 5C & 5D.
DEER (Antlered & Antlerless) Statewide: Nov. 29-Dec. 11. One antlered deer per hunting license year. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
ANTLERLESS DEER (Statewide): Oct. 21-23 for Junior and Senior license holders, Disabled Person Permit (vehicle use) holders, and residents serving on active duty in U.S. Armed Services or U.S. Coast Guard only, with required antlerless license. Also, persons who have reached or will reach their
65th birthday in year of license application.
DEER, ANTLERLESS MUZZLELOADER (Statewide): Oct. 16-23. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ANTLERED or ANTLERLESS FLINTLOCK (Statewide): Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. One antlered or antlerless deer with general license backtag and an additional antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ANTLERLESS (WMUs 2B & 5C): Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ANTLERLESS (WMU 5D): Dec. 13-18 & Dec. 27-Jan. 29, 2005. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
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Originally Posted by gsm1
ajm, sorry I'm just not convinced by any of the arguments.
Okay, educate me. Is there absolutely no other wildlife that has no predators other than human but numbers have been maintained by shooting rather than killing by 'sport'?
Okay, educate me. Is there absolutely no other wildlife that has no predators other than human but numbers have been maintained by shooting rather than killing by 'sport'?
We accept that if we weren't fox predators we would get boom and bust. Hunting is just a part of fox predation that happens to keep people in jobs, people find fun (even though you don't) and also incentivises people not to slaughter them completely. It works, it always has worked - in short if it aint broke, don't fix it.
Your perception is that is is wrong. Wrong by human artificial morals? Maybe. Wrong in terms of maintaining a natural balance? No.
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Its tricky to have a serious discussion with you these days, you seem to have picked up a talent for continuous stirring wise cracks from someone
The world is not a machine ajm, designed to produce and sustain only human life, not only have humans become disassociated with nature, but now we dont want certain animals to be part of nature either. Why dont you work out why I resort to 'wise cracks m8
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Originally Posted by gareth123
Er no.
DEER, ARCHERY (Antlered & Antlerless) Statewide: Oct. 2-Nov. 13 & Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. One antlered deer per license year; one antlerless deer with each required license. Crossbows may be used in WMUs 2B, 5C & 5D.
DEER (Antlered & Antlerless) Statewide: Nov. 29-Dec. 11. One antlered deer per hunting license year. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
ANTLERLESS DEER (Statewide): Oct. 21-23 for Junior and Senior license holders, Disabled Person Permit (vehicle use) holders, and residents serving on active duty in U.S. Armed Services or U.S. Coast Guard only, with required antlerless license. Also, persons who have reached or will reach their
65th birthday in year of license application.
DEER, ANTLERLESS MUZZLELOADER (Statewide): Oct. 16-23. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ANTLERED or ANTLERLESS FLINTLOCK (Statewide): Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. One antlered or antlerless deer with general license backtag and an additional antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ANTLERLESS (WMUs 2B & 5C): Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ANTLERLESS (WMU 5D): Dec. 13-18 & Dec. 27-Jan. 29, 2005. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ARCHERY (Antlered & Antlerless) Statewide: Oct. 2-Nov. 13 & Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. One antlered deer per license year; one antlerless deer with each required license. Crossbows may be used in WMUs 2B, 5C & 5D.
DEER (Antlered & Antlerless) Statewide: Nov. 29-Dec. 11. One antlered deer per hunting license year. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
ANTLERLESS DEER (Statewide): Oct. 21-23 for Junior and Senior license holders, Disabled Person Permit (vehicle use) holders, and residents serving on active duty in U.S. Armed Services or U.S. Coast Guard only, with required antlerless license. Also, persons who have reached or will reach their
65th birthday in year of license application.
DEER, ANTLERLESS MUZZLELOADER (Statewide): Oct. 16-23. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ANTLERED or ANTLERLESS FLINTLOCK (Statewide): Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. One antlered or antlerless deer with general license backtag and an additional antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ANTLERLESS (WMUs 2B & 5C): Dec. 27-Jan. 15, 2005. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
DEER, ANTLERLESS (WMU 5D): Dec. 13-18 & Dec. 27-Jan. 29, 2005. An antlerless deer with each required antlerless license.
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I gets me. Why the good old badger isn't taken off the protected list because it would save the government so much money. The badger is one of the biggest spreaders of T.B in the country. Just wait until the problem gets so big that they will be going into towns just like the old fox !!
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Originally Posted by ajm
It works, it always has worked - in short if it aint broke, don't fix it.
The current system *is* broken. We can fix it. It ain't rocket science*
*(or cider making, for the yokels).
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Get rid of the cows we eat and TB wont be a problem then............
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Anyhow, on the subject of badgers and foxes, foxes will sometimes co-habit or shelter in badger setts, and once dogs are sent into a badger sett in order to bolt any foxes that might be present, it is impossible to control what they do or where they go, and if badgers are present the dogs are just as likely to attack them as they are any fox that is present. Yet another 'man made' self control method.
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Originally Posted by wheeler_dealer
I know but are badgers any use for anything ? I think cows are !!!!
Cows still don't go into the food chain you dumbass.
dumbass, what a w@nk word................................. LOL
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Originally Posted by Jye
Perhaps I just dont give your 'discussions' these days any real merit, it seems so self centered tbo. But I guess many animals such as foxes animals don't deserve rights, it would limit our ability to exploit them eh...
The world is not a machine ajm, designed to produce and sustain only human life, not only have humans become disassociated with nature, but now we dont want certain animals to be part of nature either. Why dont you work out why I resort to 'wise cracks m8
The world is not a machine ajm, designed to produce and sustain only human life, not only have humans become disassociated with nature, but now we dont want certain animals to be part of nature either. Why dont you work out why I resort to 'wise cracks m8
Have all our discussions about the impact of non-indigenous predators on species populations fallen on deaf ears? You have ignored the fact that all through these threads my arguments consistently centre around SUSTAINING natural levels of wildlife.
And as you berate me you do so knowing British wildife is suffering as a direct consequence of your choice of pet. Selfish? Yes I guess we all are.
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And as you berate me you do so knowing British wildife is suffering as a direct consequence of your choice of pet. Selfish? Yes I guess we all are.
OK, I wont berate you, miawww..........
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Originally Posted by Jason Crozier
How can you justify the balance of numbers traditionally and barbarically killed by hunts when cars kill four times as many ?
If you really believe the numbers killed by fox hunting are so insignificant how can you justify destroying a British institution?
And while we are on the subject, I don't see it as barbaric, I see it as one animal killing another as quickly as it can. It doesn't pull my heart strings any more than watching a lion smother a zebra. The only thing that galls you about it is that there are people there enjoying the hunt, and because you personally cannot identify with them you would seek to deprive them of that.
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Originally Posted by gareth123
Yes. Americans kill wildlife too, you know. System works here - no shortage of deer around.