Manda_po

Yes, you missed the bit where you completely changed your mind about which camp you were in.

Manda_po

Well the pro hunting lobby say in excess of fifty per cent (I don't know the figure) don't want the ban so I don't think they would win any extra support.

ajm

Massages to a trance like state? Is that what your mum told you?

I think you'll find it SUFFOCATES it by pinching the windpipe or putting its jaws around its nose and mouth. Welcome to nature at its harshest!

You are right, I'm beginning to think its just old fashioned naivety...

ajm

Come on Jason, where have I insulted you? You suggested that I was presumptuous and I have suggested that you are naive, and in light of this I would venture to suggest a little sensitive too.

However, if I have offended you then I apologise. I have no need or desire to insult anyone.

(except maybe Jye )

ajm

Ah, another fan of my work!

Just so you know, I'm not sitting here arguing for my own benefit because:

a) its too late its as good as banned now anyway
b) I will continue to participate in the field sports I do regardless of what anyone else thinks

I'm here because I want an insight into the mind of the sort of person who enjoys enforcing their personal moral views upon the activities of other people. So when you get a bit of spare time I will gladly explain all over again, not that I imagine you would be receptive to the answers in the slightest.

gareth123

Ah, I was just pointing out that bag limits do work, and would work perfectly well for foxes. There is simply no excuse/justification/reason/defense for hunting foxes with dogs - as the clutching at straws in this thread has amply demonstrated. Lame.

gareth123

Oh please. You live in a society. The society doesn't like you selling drugs, buggering little boys or jogging naked, all of which you may personally enjoy, but society is morally opposed to. Use your vote, that's what it's there for.

unclebuck

Hey, if you want that then look no further than your old buddy - Tony 'the boy' Blair

UB

Sith

Personally I don't want it banned. Never done it and have no interest. We are about the only country in the world that gives animals almost human rights. Sheep are transported with more care and consideration than humans on LUL. Spain, France etc couldn't care less.

It boils down to PC. The Anti's want to see it stopped just because they think it's wrong and as a result feel it should be banned and they don't care if anyone disagrees. Very blinkered.
People want speeders much more harshly punished to stamp out speeding. But most are against it. Civil Liberties etc. But when it comes to something furry and dog like, they throw their toys out of their prams.

What next, Rabbit hunting to be banned? Poor little fluffy. Hare coarsing, Dear Hunting, pigeon hunting. Go outside to get some pigeon pie, pop bang, there goes Mr Pigeon. Will that be banned???

If the fox was an endangered species fair enough. But it's not, it's vermin. Mangy old discoloured things.

gareth123

So shoot them. Job done. End of story.

popeye

Check out this thread:

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362167

It's a link to a story about some youths booting a puppy about, and the response across the board seems to be one of revulsion, with outraged Scoobynetters queuing up to register their disgust.
"It's all the parents fault", "why don't the govt do something" blah yak etc.

Then we get a discussion on fox hunting, the *same* animal cruelty just dressed up differently, and oh how the arguments change. "It's tradition". "It's people's right to do it". "The govt are just interfering for political reasons".

Presumably the pro fox hunting lobby on this thread would regarding preventing these youths from doing things like puppy football to be an "erosion of their civil liberties". Why is it peoples "right" to kill foxes but not puppies?

Nice quote from one of the Loonyside Alliance contingent that ran into parliament.

"This isn't democracy. You are overturning democracy.".

What, some elected MPs voting on an issue? The House of Lords are the ones who "overturn democracy". What an idiot. Fortunately, the days of these clowns and their silly "sport" seem to be well and truly numbered. At long last, the Blair govt gets something right.

Sith

I couldn't care either way. But why stop these people doing what they want just because others don't like it? But people say it's cruel, so are lot's of things. Doesn't stop them from happening.

popeye

What a dumb statement. What's the point of the police, the law courts, prisons etc, if people should just be able to do what they want, no matter how objectionable the bulk of society find it?

Puff The Magic Wagon!

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The only way to truly sort out the debate is to have a plebisite on it

popeye

If the pro-hunt lot had any brains at all, this is exactly what they should have campaigned for. They'd all have voted for it, and voter apathy on the issue would mean there's a fair chance they'd actually win.
They could also put this "59% in favour of it" claim to the test as well. (Even though, as with everything else they claim, it's total tosh).

martyrobertsdj

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OPINIONS ARE LIKE ARSEHOLES.................

EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE

AND MOST OF THEM STINK!!!!!


We all have our feelings on foxhunting.....I'm kinda torn between the two (bit like a fox with hounds the eh?)!!!
My wife and I have horses and she has "hunted" quite a few times. I put the inverted commas there, as she was along for the ride on the horse and never saw much of the fox at all!!
I think the hunt probably only caught 1 out of 4 or 5 foxes that they chased.

I am an animal lover and have always found the thought of chasing a fox for fun quite horrible. However......the arguments about country jobs, etc are reasonably valid and for someone to say "thousands lose their jobs all the time.....get over it" is a bit daft!
They didn't say that at the miners strike........or did they???
People will "get over it", but is it right to create these losses in ANY "industry"??

Fair enough....if it's banned, it's banned and that's the law. It won't affect me, as our horses are used for other events anyway.


Marty

Leslie

I am looking forward now to the news video of our brave policemen chasing the illegal hunt on horseback waving their truncheons!

Les

paulr

I wonder how the law will be framed.Will it be illegal to go horseriding and take your dogs with you?

SJ_Skyline

My sisters dog chases squirels in the woods, would this be classed as hunting with dogs?

beemerboy

whats the diffference between this and driving your car at 70mph killing thousands of moths, flies, gnats and suchlike of god's creatures.

foxes are vermin mate, they litter everywhere, cr4p all over the garden and offer nothing to my well being or comfort.

flea bitten scumbags should be hunted down!!!!

boo to labour, once again, but they have gone for the majority of the countries opinions, i hope people can see through that.

BB

jasey

That's to be discussed in the next sitting of Parliament apparently. 250 Hours spent debating this bollox (Fox Hunting) and all it took to invade IRAQ was a 2 minute "conversation" with Mr Bush - No wonder we're fcuked .

Irrespective of which side of the fence you sit on with regards the rights and wrongs of Fox Hunting surely it's a black and white Issue - Why spend so much time talking / debating etc. when you aint gonna change anyones mind on this one.

I wonder what will happen to the fox when it is only a predator / vermin and the Country folk can be sure of a Kill 100% of the time they go "Hunting". I wonder if they will become a protected species like Badgers or will they be wiped out from the British Countryside all together ?

Diablo

So shoot them.

No one on this thread is saying they cannot be killed, its just the manner in which that is achieved.

Sbradley

I'm curious about one thing. Why does it always come down to class?

I don't think anyone is really suggesting that everyone who hunts is a blue-blood, are they? Because if they are then, frankly, they must be a couple of hounds short of a pack. Hunts and their associates come from all walks of society. The only requirement is that if you own a horse then you can afford to keep it. Which probably means that half the people here could join in if they so wanted.

And why is it that everyone who is anti-hunting is obviously a raving marxist whose sole aim is to crush the bourgeois elite? There are antis from all walks of society as well, rich and poor.

Obviously some of the hunt are loaded and lots of them are what you might want to call toffs. And some of the antis may be motivated more by their Socialist tendencies and a desire to ban something they see as elitist rather than by any concerns about animal welfare. But the majority of hunters are pretty normal folk in real life, as are the majority of antis.

I don't like this government but they always said they were going to do this. In fact, when they failed to do it in their last term there was quite a lot of fuss and bother and it was bumped further up the agenda to be dealt with if they got in again. They did, and that's down to election promises made at the time. Oh, and the fact that there wasn't a coherent opposition, of course.

Personally I'm anti hunting because I don't like the idea of killing anything for fun. I like seeing the hunt, I've ridden on drags and I have plenty of friends who hunt. I spent my formative years in the countryside, I'm an ex officer in the forces, I support public schools and I speak properly. Tabloid pigeon-holing would make me an avid hunt supporter yet I'm not. But the semi-pikey that I meet at the stables every other weekend is virulently pro hunt. I think he'd actually hunt anything at all with any means available provided there was a kill at the end. Yet your SWP lot would assume he would be well in with them because he has no class whatsoever.

Get over the class crap and you see hunting for what it actually is. An out-dated, unreasonably cruel and irredeemably unpleasant exercise in killing for sport. Hounds can easily be trained for drag hunting. If they couldn't then there'd be precious few drag hunts today and sabateurs with their aniseed trails would be wasting their time. There is no need for thousands to lose their livelihoods, they just need to adapt and move with the times.

The hunt is a great thing to see and hear, it probably does our tourist industry good and it's an image people associate with Britain. It needn't change that much. All that needs to happen is a change in the object. Lose the kill.

Many hunters argue that they don't kill that much and that they don't go out for that anyway. That's cool - the ban won't make much difference then, will it?

Here's an offer for any hunts. I've written to several anyway. I and my associates will happily act as prey for a drag hunt. In fact, we'll cover every drag hunt you do over the year. We're all ex commandos and will give your hounds a run for their money. Nobody needs to lose their jobs, nobody needs to break the law.

SB

FrenchBoy

Sounds very reasonable to me.

Steve Whitehorn

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Well said Mr Bradley.
Nice to hear a sensible pragmatic view outlining a positive way forward.
I also enjoy the countryside and am firearms trained and I also don't agree with killing animals for fun.
Best wishes
Steve

mt fuji

everyone is entitled to an opinion,but in are so called free society,it don't matter what you say or do,or if you think you are right or wrong,someone will think you are a c**t i agree it's not so much about the hunting,as more people coming down to your neck of the woods and telling you how to run your lives. but what the so called animal lovers/do gooders don't realise,in 2006 and beyond they may have condemned hundreds of hounds,and even horses to their deaths,we shall wait and see,also there won't be mass legislation and control over culling,so more animals will end up with holes in their heads,a more humane way you might say,what about urban foxes?,i can't see van loads of shooters going around citys at night doing foxes!. i wonder how many anti-hunt people still go fishing or horse racing? spain tell people to f**k off when they kick up about bullfighting. finally are we all going to sell are subarus because japan still hunts whales,i think not!

Sith

So true. If people felt that strongly about alledged cruelty then they should boycott all goods from countries that participate.

I expect to see lots of Scoobs and Mitsi's for sale. NOT!