Ok, Fox Hunting.
16 September 2004, 11:03 AM
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what about urban foxes?,i can't see van loads of shooters going around citys at night doing foxes!.
16 September 2004, 11:07 AM
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You are still a hypocrite B2Z, being the selfish owner of a cat that kills wildlife, all because you wanted the pleasure of owning a fluffy thing:
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16 September 2004, 11:41 AM
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Cats kill wildlife as its in their nature to do so, they are a free roaming animal that can not be controlled humanely as a domestic pet. Don't even bother with this argument 
Hunting foxes with hounds is not a natural event ffs, its an organised activity that is deliberately planned to go out and look for and kill a fox with hounds that again are not naturally roaming wild to kill that fox themselves, they are taken there by their owners to do that purposely.
The arguments are getting more and more pathetic for the pro lobby
Oh and to add I don't own a cat or cats any longer so no I am not a selfish cat owner!
Hunting foxes with hounds is not a natural event ffs, its an organised activity that is deliberately planned to go out and look for and kill a fox with hounds that again are not naturally roaming wild to kill that fox themselves, they are taken there by their owners to do that purposely.
The arguments are getting more and more pathetic for the pro lobby
Oh and to add I don't own a cat or cats any longer so no I am not a selfish cat owner!
16 September 2004, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by beemerboy
whats the diffference between this and driving your car at 70mph killing thousands of moths, flies, gnats and suchlike of god's creatures.
16 September 2004, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
Cats kill wildlife as its in their nature to do so, they are a free roaming animal that can not be controlled humanely as a domestic pet.
Hardly an ideal moral grounding to launch an attack on people who take pleasure in hunting, is it.
The arguments are getting more and more pathetic for the pro lobby
Oh and to add I don't own a cat or cats any longer so no I am not a selfish cat owner!
16 September 2004, 12:18 PM
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I am not a hypocrite ffs as owning a cat and hunting foxes with hounds have no correlation what so ever plus I don't own a cat!!!
You can't even see how desperate your attempts to defend fox hunting are, the depths to which you have to delve and bring out incredibly stupid non existent correlations between totally independant actions/events like owning a cat and hunting a fox with hounds it laughable!
plus I don't own a cat!!!You can't even see how desperate your attempts to defend fox hunting are, the depths to which you have to delve and bring out incredibly stupid non existent correlations between totally independant actions/events like owning a cat and hunting a fox with hounds it laughable!
16 September 2004, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
I am not a hypocrite ffs as owning a cat and hunting foxes with hounds have no correlation what so ever
Despite your obtuse protestations it is not difficult to see the point I am making.
You can't even see how desperate your attempts to defend fox hunting are, the depths to which you have to delve and bring out incredibly stupid non existent correlations between totally independant actions/events like owning a cat and hunting a fox with hounds it laughable!
16 September 2004, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
However, if I have offended you then I apologise. I have no need or desire to insult anyone.
(except maybe Jye
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16 September 2004, 01:24 PM
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Owning a cat and hunting both result in animals being killed and both are activities in which people take pleasure, except that hunting actually has a useful effect on countryside ecology, whereas cat predation has a negative effect.
Hunting dogs, ie beagles do not roam wild. are not legally allowed to roam freely and therefore do not kill foxes until they are taken out purposely to do so. Two situations which are once again miles apart.
As for you participating in what you want to do I have no interest in that. You are entitled to your opinions of whats enjoyable and whats not just like I am. The only difference is now that as of July 2006 you wont be allowed by law to legally go out and hunt foxes with hounds anymore
Hoorah!
16 September 2004, 01:30 PM
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Well pleasure in owning a cat is no different to owning a beagle. Both are fine.
The diffence is no cat owner deliberately sends/takes it cat out to purposely kill other animals. The law allows it to roam freely of its own accord. the same does not apply to owning any type of dog.
Taking your beagles out to kill a fox is premditated and 100% organised so not the same as letting the cat out for some fresh air letting it do what it wants.
The diffence is no cat owner deliberately sends/takes it cat out to purposely kill other animals. The law allows it to roam freely of its own accord. the same does not apply to owning any type of dog.
Taking your beagles out to kill a fox is premditated and 100% organised so not the same as letting the cat out for some fresh air letting it do what it wants.
16 September 2004, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason Crozier
Leaving cat's aside for one moment (no huge surprise that you have taken this direction) do you participate in Fox Hunts then ?
I don't actively participate in fox hunting in so far as you wouldn't catch me on a horse! I do follow hunts however.
As an amusing aside, I was briefly mistaken as a hunt saboteur once when a hunt came through an area in which I was rough shooting and suitably attired in camo gear!
16 September 2004, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Well pleasure in owning a cat is no different to owning a beagle. Both are fine.
The diffence is no cat owner deliberately sends/takes it cat out to purposely kill other animals. The law allows it to roam freely of its own accord. the same does not apply to owning any type of dog.
Taking your beagles out to kill a fox is premditated and 100% organised so not the same as letting the cat out for some fresh air letting it do what it wants.
The diffence is no cat owner deliberately sends/takes it cat out to purposely kill other animals. The law allows it to roam freely of its own accord. the same does not apply to owning any type of dog.
Taking your beagles out to kill a fox is premditated and 100% organised so not the same as letting the cat out for some fresh air letting it do what it wants.
16 September 2004, 01:55 PM
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Couldn't be bothered to read all of this thread but personally i think hunting should be banned,but so should cats,chavs,mpv's,parent and child spaces,speed cameras and cheese
16 September 2004, 02:15 PM
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Is hunting a british institution then?? i thought it was just a bunch of snobs satisfying some bloodlust,silly me easy mistake to make i suppose.
Is it like if your rich and crazy your eccentric,but if your poor and crazy your mental and locked up???
Is it like if your rich and crazy your eccentric,but if your poor and crazy your mental and locked up???
16 September 2004, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason Crozier
You know when a debate is becoming tired when comments like this are made, choosing to ignore facts such as the foot and mouth ban, road kills etc. and concentrating instead on your 'pet' subject to illustrate the word 'hypocrite'.
Either way, I don't intend to spend any more of my time trying to convince you. The information is there, take it or leave it!
I think it is abundantly clear where we stand.
16 September 2004, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RB5 Paul
Is hunting a british institution then??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/422753.stm
The Inn Sign Society says that there are 27 pub names including the word fox - including The Snooty Fox, The Lazy Fox, The Crafty Fox and The Hungry Fox. And that's before they start counting the Tally Hos, the Horses and Hounds - and a Whipper Inn.
16 September 2004, 03:19 PM
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You let it out knowing full well it will kill. It doesn't matter that you aren't letting it out TO kill, you are no less culpable. Through your own selfish desires animals are being killed and just because you don't see it or officially "condone" it you let it happen nonetheless. Ergo, you are a hypocrite. Sorry
So i'm as bad if I owned a pet cat as those who hunt with hounds? LMFAO!
16 September 2004, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
LOL if thats the best you can come up with no wonder the pro lobby lost the vote yesterday So i'm as bad if I owned a pet cat as those who hunt with hounds? LMFAO!
So i'm as bad if I owned a pet cat as those who hunt with hounds? LMFAO! Sorry old bean!
16 September 2004, 03:42 PM
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No it doesn't, the figures taken before and after the ban on hunting with hounds at the time of the foot and mouth outbreak showed no difference if figures in fox population, therefore fox hunting makes **** all difference to fox population, therefore has no effect on the ecoststem 'old bean'
16 September 2004, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
No it doesn't, the figures taken before and after the ban on hunting with hounds at the time of the foot and mouth outbreak showed no difference if figures in fox population, therefore fox hunting makes **** all difference to fox population, therefore has no effect on the ecoststem 'old bean'
Sorry once again, old bean
16 September 2004, 03:52 PM
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Nope cat ownership had a very good effect, it removed unwanted mice and rats from the garden (garden backed onto woodland so a plethora of mice and rats were to be had), for me and just about anyone who has a garden thats a positive effect!
Oh and I accept all your apologies gracefully
Oh and I accept all your apologies gracefully
16 September 2004, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
I don't need to, I got what I wanted which was a massive vote in favour for banning hunting with foxes, you are the one who needs to accept defeat as the pro hunt lot lost their objective
16 September 2004, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
I don't need to, I got what I wanted which was a massive vote in favour for banning hunting with foxes, you are the one who needs to accept defeat as the pro hunt lot lost their objective
16 September 2004, 04:24 PM
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How did your mp vote.
mine voted for the ban..........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3661766.stm
b1tch.
mine voted for the ban..........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3661766.stm
b1tch.
16 September 2004, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by paulr
How did your mp vote.
mine voted for the ban..........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3661766.stm
b1tch.
mine voted for the ban..........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3661766.stm
b1tch.