Senior_AP

Yeah, or you feel very ill and must stop somewhere, or your wife is giving birth....that sort of stuff.

TelBoy

Yep, fair enough. Though why you'd be at the supermarket that close to dropping i'm not quite so sure!

Senior_AP

Christ. You don't like OllyK do you!!

Senior_AP

lol. Good point.

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

Checking out whether there are parent and child spaces, no doubt

TelBoy

They all made me laugh, but this one more than most! LOL

Also Jay m A

ajm

LOL @ this thread!

This used to be an issue that I too felt the need to argue about, but now I just get on with it and park where I damn well want, which is usually a compromise between convenient access to the shop and likelihood of car damage, judged on a case by case basis. So, depending on the ratio of empty positive discrimination parking spaces to normal under-sized parking spaces, this may mean parking, on occasion, in a spot for which society deems me unworthy.

Do I lose any sleep over it? Not a wink.

TelBoy

Poor show mate.

The fact that you have no guilty conscience over such action adds to the disappointment. It's selfish by any other name, sorry, no matter what the "landscape" looks like when you enter the carpark.

logiclee

Unfortunatly your Sainsburys is a little too far away. Our Sainsburys has around 10 spaces, Morrisons around 15, Asda (Sutton) around 6 and Asda (Mansfield) a bit better at around 20.
Try any at normal times and you will be sat waiting until there is a space.

As Spoon has already stated, places that have too large a proportion of disabled bays are very rare indeed including supermarkets.

You may have noticed a couple of places that have too many but how many have you noticed that have too few? I would guess you don't really take that much notice of places that have too few spaces as it doesn't effect you but I can assure you its a major issue when you are disabled.

Yes I got on my high horse but I took the seperate statement......

....to be a generalisation and not tied to your example in the first part of your post.

Cheers
Lee

ajm

Your reaction doesn't surprise me, not least because we have crossed swords on this issue before as I recall!

As I said, I won't argue about this any more but I will remind you of the salient points:-

• There is no need to feel guilty about parking in a positive discrimination space if there is adequate free spaces left, or if the number of positive discrimination spaces is disproportionately high.
• If the last available spot in the car park is a positive discrimination space there is no reason why you should feel guilty for taking it because disabled people or people with kids don't deserve to be able to shop any more than able bodied people.
• If I see someone struggling I help them, which is more than most sanctimonious "car-park fascists" would do!

TelBoy

1. You're making a judgement though about whether they will be needed whilst you are inside the supermarket. I concede though that at 1am or whatever, nobody needs to be **** about this. But there is no way that you can make an accurate assessment of whether there is a "disproportionately high" number of such spaces, no way at all. Or are you saying that it's somewhere you use regularly, and they're rarely all taken, so you therefore have the moral justification to use them? Well sorry, in my book you don't, it's just plain selfish. Complain to the supermarket if the number of spaces is so obviously wrong.

2. LOL, the issue isn't whether they're more "deserving" to shop - the spaces are there simply to make the process easier for these groups when they do shop. It's not THAT difficult to see the distinction, surely?

3. Great, as would i. You could save some of the struggling of parents and disabled by staying out of their spaces though. Just a thought.

ajm

Some things don't change!

TelBoy

No. Like people's behaviour, for one.

Little point in discussing in all honesty - nobody's going to stop you or anyone else who does it from continuing to do so i guess. At least be aware of the potential inconvenience you're causing, and the selfishness it displays, that's all.

ajm

I was just waiting for you finish editing your previous post for the second time.

Precisely!


Everyone displays selfishness and everyone gets inconvenienced now and then, even parents and disabled people!

TelBoy

Yep, they sure do, don't they?

Anything we can do to reduce the amount of selfishness in the world is a good thing. Well, to me it is.

ajm

An admirable objective, and one we have in common. You can do carparks and I'll do pets!

TelBoy

No, we're together on pets.

Just get your brain into gear regarding carparks too - go on, you can do it!

ajm

I tell you what... as a gesture of good will, and to squelch any presumptions about my moral integrity, I am willing to inconvenience myself by parking further away from the shop than is neccessary. However, you must agree that, if I come back to my car to find that the empty positive discrimination spaces have not been utilised, you will recompense me for the inconvenience at a cost of £10 per incident. Video evidence will of course be submitted with each claim!

Senior_AP

lol

TelBoy

£10?? LOL, you should be paying ME for the beneficial effects that the extra walking and bag-carrying you will now be undertaking will afford you!! As a gesture of goodwill, i'll settle for £5 per supermarket visit!!

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

Why don't you two just get a room?

Senior_AP

Not in Scotland though!!! Ahahahahahahaha

TelBoy

Oh we will - i'm just trying to find a hotel without wheelchair access....

logiclee

If you consider how many self important, selfish, ignorant people there are in the world and then look at how many members are on scoobynet then I suppose there must be a few as members.

So it's not suprising to find a few on this thread.

Fortunately for them it's not usually these people who become disabled because that would change their attitude.

Fate does seem to be cruel to good people and good to bad people IMO. Bit like rapist and theifs winning the lottery.

Lee

OllyK

That's a statement plain and simple. it is not:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"


That's me saying I can't understand why other people are moaning it is not:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"

That is me saying (I'll even give you it may be a moan) I would be more sympathetic towards the parents that are moaning if...
it is however, not:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"

That's a statement of fact. A car park is a given size, you can fit so many parking spaces of size x by y in that space. If you make some of the spaces larger then the overall number of spaces will reduce, that's basic geometry.

it is not:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"

Your original statement in post 105:
"Anybody who parks in a disabled bay or a Parent & Child bay without an appropriate, valid reason..."
seemed to be placing equal importance on the Parent and Child spaces as disabled. The previous page or so had been discussing the importance of not parking in disabled spaces and you decided to include Parent and Child in to the equation at this point for some reason.

Any which way it is not:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"

Sadly you didn't read them very carefully as so far you still haven't
shown a case of:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong" by me.

That Post is post number 16 - page 1.

In Post 200 you put:
"Exactly. This, OllyK, was my original point. Stop moaning about and, and respect their decision."

In post 202 I responded, starting with that exact quote of yours, which generated my request of "Please show me where I have moaned about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or suggested that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"

Are you seriously suggesting you chose to respond to post number 16 mid way though a paragraph in post 200 that you had addressed to me and you expected everybody to know that???

You claim that you didn't address a statement at me that prompted my response of:
Please show me where I have moaned about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or suggested that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong

And yet you go on to try and show that I have:
"moaned about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or suggested that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"

And yet you still haven't been able to provide an example - do you want another go or would you prefer to back down on this?

We are not trying to "compare" we are trying to differentiate, or look for the differences, not the similarities. As you say they are "so different" in which case there should be no problem telling them apart - chalk and cheese if you will.

I have never been a moderator so how can I forget something I have never been?

The same thing that allows you to question my rights about expressing an opinion.

Spoon

I agree with every thing you say concerning this issue but I'd just like to point out that you say the bays make it easier but in doesn't actually stop there.
To a wheelchair bound individual these bays are the difference between going somewhere and actually getting out of the car, and going somewhere and returning home.

They don't have any other choice of where to park as they require the car door to open fully. Other disabilities may at least have some options albeit making things more difficult.

ajm- How serious you are I can't actually tell, but I will say that should you come across a few of the guys I know with an attitude like that, you are likely to get a smack square in the gizzard.

ajm

Love it!

As is always the case with the written word Spoon, it can only ever be as serious as the reader's interpretation. You must be a surly fellow!

imlach

OllyK - have you ever looked at this website

dba

well AJM,you have my pity,for having such an uncaring view of the world,and a lack of respect for your fellow disadvantaged citizens.However,at least you admit to parking "where you damn well like",which is more than some have in this thread.I will self-righteously cling onto my view that in the very least I live my life caring for those who aren't as lucky as me,and respect the efforts of retailers who try to help them.You on the other hand can hopefully live with yourself and sleep well at night.I suspect you can.

OllyK

I hadn't realised that there was a website but I was aware of the campaign:

Not sure that any of that applies on here