Since when is it ok to park in disabled spots?
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Emergency as in allowing the emergency services to attend you mean?
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Originally Posted by dharbige
If I must:
After this, you changed tack to :
Yes, your later arguments were about this. The thing is NOBODY was suggesting what you were arguing against.
Yes, unfortunately. They were mixed in with people who had valid points. Have YOU read any of your posts?
This wasn't actually refering to you. Can your ego handle that? The original negative comment re P&C spaces was:
None necessary. It was your mistake.
Et tu.
Yes, I do read it differently. To me it says that the two things are so different that trying to compare them is a nonsense.
Nothing. I was just reminding you, as you seem to have forgotten:
What gives you the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't post?
After this, you changed tack to :
Yes, your later arguments were about this. The thing is NOBODY was suggesting what you were arguing against.
Yes, unfortunately. They were mixed in with people who had valid points. Have YOU read any of your posts?
This wasn't actually refering to you. Can your ego handle that? The original negative comment re P&C spaces was:
None necessary. It was your mistake.
Et tu.
Yes, I do read it differently. To me it says that the two things are so different that trying to compare them is a nonsense.
Nothing. I was just reminding you, as you seem to have forgotten:
What gives you the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't post?
Christ. You don't like OllyK do you!!
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Yep, fair enough. Though why you'd be at the supermarket that close to dropping i'm not quite so sure!
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Originally Posted by dharbige
Yes, unfortunately. They were mixed in with people who had valid points. Have YOU read any of your posts?
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LOL @ this thread!
This used to be an issue that I too felt the need to argue about, but now I just get on with it and park where I damn well want, which is usually a compromise between convenient access to the shop and likelihood of car damage, judged on a case by case basis. So, depending on the ratio of empty positive discrimination parking spaces to normal under-sized parking spaces, this may mean parking, on occasion, in a spot for which society deems me unworthy.
Do I lose any sleep over it? Not a wink.
This used to be an issue that I too felt the need to argue about, but now I just get on with it and park where I damn well want, which is usually a compromise between convenient access to the shop and likelihood of car damage, judged on a case by case basis. So, depending on the ratio of empty positive discrimination parking spaces to normal under-sized parking spaces, this may mean parking, on occasion, in a spot for which society deems me unworthy.
Do I lose any sleep over it? Not a wink.
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Poor show mate.
The fact that you have no guilty conscience over such action adds to the disappointment. It's selfish by any other name, sorry, no matter what the "landscape" looks like when you enter the carpark.
The fact that you have no guilty conscience over such action adds to the disappointment. It's selfish by any other name, sorry, no matter what the "landscape" looks like when you enter the carpark.
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Come down to my local Sainsburys then. Then we'll see who lives in fantasy land
If you bothered to quote the rest of my thread you'd see I'm specifically refering to supermarkets. No doubt you have a valid arguement with bays at other venues, but it's not the point I'm making. Read posts properly before climbing on your high horse.
If you bothered to quote the rest of my thread you'd see I'm specifically refering to supermarkets. No doubt you have a valid arguement with bays at other venues, but it's not the point I'm making. Read posts properly before climbing on your high horse.
Try any at normal times and you will be sat waiting until there is a space.
As Spoon has already stated, places that have too large a proportion of disabled bays are very rare indeed including supermarkets.
You may have noticed a couple of places that have too many but how many have you noticed that have too few? I would guess you don't really take that much notice of places that have too few spaces as it doesn't effect you but I can assure you its a major issue when you are disabled.
Yes I got on my high horse but I took the seperate statement......
If there were less disabled spaces rather than masses of unsed bays I think there would be much less of a problem of abled bodied parking in these spaces
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Poor show mate.
The fact that you have no guilty conscience over such action adds to the disappointment. It's selfish by any other name, sorry, no matter what the "landscape" looks like when you enter the carpark.
The fact that you have no guilty conscience over such action adds to the disappointment. It's selfish by any other name, sorry, no matter what the "landscape" looks like when you enter the carpark.
As I said, I won't argue about this any more but I will remind you of the salient points:-
- There is no need to feel guilty about parking in a positive discrimination space if there is adequate free spaces left, or if the number of positive discrimination spaces is disproportionately high.
- If the last available spot in the car park is a positive discrimination space there is no reason why you should feel guilty for taking it because disabled people or people with kids don't deserve to be able to shop any more than able bodied people.
- If I see someone struggling I help them, which is more than most sanctimonious "car-park fascists" would do!
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Originally Posted by ajm
- There is no need to feel guilty about parking in a positive discrimination space if there is adequate free spaces left, or if the number of positive discrimination spaces is disproportionately high.
- If the last available spot in the car park is a positive discrimination space there is no reason why you should feel guilty for taking it because disabled people or people with kids don't deserve to be able to shop any more than able bodied people.
- If I see someone struggling I help them, which is more than most sanctimonious "car-park fascists" would do!
2. LOL, the issue isn't whether they're more "deserving" to shop - the spaces are there simply to make the process easier for these groups when they do shop. It's not THAT difficult to see the distinction, surely?
3. Great, as would i. You could save some of the struggling of parents and disabled by staying out of their spaces though. Just a thought.
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No. Like people's behaviour, for one.
Little point in discussing in all honesty - nobody's going to stop you or anyone else who does it from continuing to do so i guess. At least be aware of the potential inconvenience you're causing, and the selfishness it displays, that's all.
Little point in discussing in all honesty - nobody's going to stop you or anyone else who does it from continuing to do so i guess. At least be aware of the potential inconvenience you're causing, and the selfishness it displays, that's all.
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I was just waiting for you finish editing your previous post for the second time.
Precisely!
Everyone displays selfishness and everyone gets inconvenienced now and then, even parents and disabled people!
Originally Posted by TelBoy
No. Like people's behaviour, for one.
Little point in discussing in all honesty - nobody's going to stop you or anyone else who does it from continuing to do so i guess.
Little point in discussing in all honesty - nobody's going to stop you or anyone else who does it from continuing to do so i guess.
At least be aware of the potential inconvenience you're causing, and the selfishness it displays, that's all.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Anything we can do to reduce the amount of selfishness in the world is a good thing. Well, to me it is.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
No, we're together on pets.
Just get your brain into gear regarding carparks too - go on, you can do it!
Just get your brain into gear regarding carparks too - go on, you can do it!
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Originally Posted by ajm
I tell you what... as a gesture of good will, and to squelch any presumptions about my moral integrity, I am willing to inconvenience myself by parking further away from the shop than is neccessary. However, you must agree that, if I come back to my car to find that the empty positive discrimination spaces have not been utilised, you will recompense me for the inconvenience at a cost of £10 per incident. Video evidence will of course be submitted with each claim!
lol
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£10?? LOL, you should be paying ME for the beneficial effects that the extra walking and bag-carrying you will now be undertaking will afford you!! As a gesture of goodwill, i'll settle for £5 per supermarket visit!!
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If you consider how many self important, selfish, ignorant people there are in the world and then look at how many members are on scoobynet then I suppose there must be a few as members.
So it's not suprising to find a few on this thread.
Fortunately for them it's not usually these people who become disabled because that would change their attitude.
Fate does seem to be cruel to good people and good to bad people IMO. Bit like rapist and theifs winning the lottery.
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So it's not suprising to find a few on this thread.
Fortunately for them it's not usually these people who become disabled because that would change their attitude.
Fate does seem to be cruel to good people and good to bad people IMO. Bit like rapist and theifs winning the lottery.
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Originally Posted by dharbige
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Please show me where I have moaned about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or suggested that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong.
If I must:
Quote:
Originally Posted by OllyK
parent and baby spaces are a marketing ploy
Originally Posted by OllyK
Please show me where I have moaned about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or suggested that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong.
If I must:
Quote:
Originally Posted by OllyK
parent and baby spaces are a marketing ploy
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"
Originally Posted by dharbige
Quote:
Originally Posted by OllyK
I can't get my head round parents complaining about parking spaces
Originally Posted by OllyK
I can't get my head round parents complaining about parking spaces
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"
Originally Posted by dharbige
Quote:
Originally Posted by OllyK
As I said, it's a marketing ploy, nothing more. If they provided "Single Male", "Single Female", "Childless Couple" and "Chav" parking spaces I would be more sympathetic.
Originally Posted by OllyK
As I said, it's a marketing ploy, nothing more. If they provided "Single Male", "Single Female", "Childless Couple" and "Chav" parking spaces I would be more sympathetic.
it is however, not:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"
Originally Posted by dharbige
Quote:
Originally Posted by OllyK
By providing these nice wide spaces they reduce the number of spaces in the car park overall.
Originally Posted by OllyK
By providing these nice wide spaces they reduce the number of spaces in the car park overall.
it is not:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"
Originally Posted by dharbige
After this, you changed tack to :
Quote:
Originally Posted by OllyK
My arguments have been to do with people who seem to think that non-parents parking in parent and child spaces causes parents the same level of inconvenience and problems as it does when an able bodied person parks in a disabled space.
Yes, your later arguments were about this. The thing is NOBODY was suggesting what you were arguing against.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OllyK
My arguments have been to do with people who seem to think that non-parents parking in parent and child spaces causes parents the same level of inconvenience and problems as it does when an able bodied person parks in a disabled space.
Yes, your later arguments were about this. The thing is NOBODY was suggesting what you were arguing against.
"Anybody who parks in a disabled bay or a Parent & Child bay without an appropriate, valid reason..."
seemed to be placing equal importance on the Parent and Child spaces as disabled. The previous page or so had been discussing the importance of not parking in disabled spaces and you decided to include Parent and Child in to the equation at this point for some reason.
Any which way it is not:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"
Originally Posted by dharbige
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Have you actually read any of my posts?
Yes, unfortunately. They were mixed in with people who had valid points. Have YOU read any of your posts?
Originally Posted by OllyK
Have you actually read any of my posts?
Yes, unfortunately. They were mixed in with people who had valid points. Have YOU read any of your posts?
shown a case of:
"a moan about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or a suggestion that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong" by me.
Originally Posted by dharbige
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Please show me where I have "complained about the very existence" of parent and child spaces.
This wasn't actually refering to you. Can your ego handle that?
The original negative comment re P&C spaces was:
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Originally Posted by andypugh2000
Parent and child spaces really annoy me how did we ever manage without them i think to myself make the lazy bratts walk and they wont get fat.
Originally Posted by OllyK
Please show me where I have "complained about the very existence" of parent and child spaces.
This wasn't actually refering to you. Can your ego handle that?
The original negative comment re P&C spaces was:
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Originally Posted by andypugh2000
Parent and child spaces really annoy me how did we ever manage without them i think to myself make the lazy bratts walk and they wont get fat.
In Post 200 you put:
"Exactly. This, OllyK, was my original point. Stop moaning about and, and respect their decision."
In post 202 I responded, starting with that exact quote of yours, which generated my request of "Please show me where I have moaned about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or suggested that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"
Are you seriously suggesting you chose to respond to post number 16 mid way though a paragraph in post 200 that you had addressed to me and you expected everybody to know that???
Originally Posted by dharbige
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Feel free to appologise for lying if you can't.
None necessary. It was your mistake.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OllyK
Feel free to appologise for lying if you can't.
None necessary. It was your mistake.
Quote:
Please show me where I have moaned about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or suggested that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong
And yet you go on to try and show that I have:
"moaned about the existence of Parent and Child parking spaces or suggested that the decision for supermarkets etc to have them is wrong"
And yet you still haven't been able to provide an example - do you want another go or would you prefer to back down on this?
Originally Posted by dharbige
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Originally Posted by OllyK
I think the suggestion that "any attempt to differentiate between parking spaces for the two groups is flawed from the outset, obviously" See Post 186, constitues a claim that there is no difference between them and therefore they are of equal importance - or maybe you read it differently.
Yes, I do read it differently. To me it says that the two things are so different that trying to compare them is a nonsense.
Originally Posted by OllyK
I think the suggestion that "any attempt to differentiate between parking spaces for the two groups is flawed from the outset, obviously" See Post 186, constitues a claim that there is no difference between them and therefore they are of equal importance - or maybe you read it differently.
Yes, I do read it differently. To me it says that the two things are so different that trying to compare them is a nonsense.
Originally Posted by dharbige
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Originally Posted by dharbige
(Oh, and by the way, YOU ARE NOT A MODERATOR! (Just in case you forgot.))
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Originally Posted by OllyK
And that statement brings what to the argument?
Nothing. I was just reminding you, as you seem to have forgotten:
Originally Posted by dharbige
(Oh, and by the way, YOU ARE NOT A MODERATOR! (Just in case you forgot.))
Quote:
Originally Posted by OllyK
And that statement brings what to the argument?
Nothing. I was just reminding you, as you seem to have forgotten:
Originally Posted by dharbige
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What gives you the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't post?
What gives you the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't post?
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
2. LOL, the issue isn't whether they're more "deserving" to shop - the spaces are there simply to make the process easier for these groups when they do shop. It's not THAT difficult to see the distinction, surely?
To a wheelchair bound individual these bays are the difference between going somewhere and actually getting out of the car, and going somewhere and returning home.
They don't have any other choice of where to park as they require the car door to open fully. Other disabilities may at least have some options albeit making things more difficult.
ajm- How serious you are I can't actually tell, but I will say that should you come across a few of the guys I know with an attitude like that, you are likely to get a smack square in the gizzard.
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Originally Posted by Spoon
ajm- How serious you are I can't actually tell, but I will say that should you come across a few of the guys I know with an attitude like that, you are likely to get a smack square in the gizzard.
As is always the case with the written word Spoon, it can only ever be as serious as the reader's interpretation. You must be a surly fellow!
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well AJM,you have my pity,for having such an uncaring view of the world,and a lack of respect for your fellow disadvantaged citizens.However,at least you admit to parking "where you damn well like",which is more than some have in this thread.I will self-righteously cling onto my view that in the very least I live my life caring for those who aren't as lucky as me,and respect the efforts of retailers who try to help them.You on the other hand can hopefully live with yourself and sleep well at night.I suspect you can.
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OllyK - have you ever looked at this website
Where should plain English be used?
Plain English is needed in all kinds of public information, such as forms, leaflets, agreements and contracts. The golden rule is that plain English should be used in any information that ordinary people rely on when they make decisions.
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