mart360

somehow i cant see bin liner calling dubya and inviting him over for a friendly beer and a game of cards

can you?





mart

paulr

I dont know how anyone can watch that video.i heard John Simpson talking about it and he said it was the most disgusting thing he'd ever seen.

btw,one of the women scientists that they want freed was educated at the university of east anglia.

gsm1

That's rich coming from you.

Well I don't read The Guardian and you don't know what knowledge I have. Maybe you'd like to give some examples of what I 'regurgitate' instead of making dumb generalisations? I certainly know invading Iraq was a mistake and the reasons for it were all lies. Did you support the invasion?

Well you're the one who said it was affecting your sleep. Go figure. My original post was in response to Moses' post about nuclear technology, nothing to do with whether biological or chemical weapons are safe or not. Take your own advice: If you're going to respond to my posts in this way then make sure you have understood them fully first.

J C

cut her head off, as rambo said to win a war you've got to become war,
pump all the oil out and nuke the lot of them

David Lock

I think they distort their learned teachings to suit their evil intentions.

The only hope may be that senior and reasoned religious leaders may denounce what they are doing and gain the people's support in this. However I fear that the general hatred of USA may be just be too much for this to happen.

Say your prayers (to whatever God) for the British hostage.

DL

Taff107

gsm, have you conveniently forgotten to answer Diablos post?

moses

i cant believe the language im hearing here, " go out and wipe them out etc and pump their oil and nuke them, some of u guys sound like terrorists , if this is the mentality the imperialists have no wonder the iraqis think its a war worth dying for, sick mentality indeed

and jc u said rambo said u have to become a war, well the war was thrusted upon the ordinary iraqi wasnt it.

pslewis

The average Iraqi is happier now than when saddam was in power.

Its a very small uprising with a big impact on world news, look at the size of Iraq and look at the UK!

Its like an council estate in Glasgow burning itself down in protest agaisnt the increase in benefits!

Give the people in the town 24 hours to get out then flatten the lot of 'em!

We can then rebuild the town with oil money - sorted!

Its time we stopped pi55ing about and took the fight to these animals!

Pete

moses

i cant believe the language im hearing here, " go out and wipe them out etc and pump their oil and nuke them, some of u guys sound like terrorists , if this is the mentality the imperialists have no wonder the iraqis think its a war worth dying for, sick mentality indeed

and jc u said rambo said u have to become a war, well the war was thrusted upon the ordinary iraqi wasnt it.

unclebuck

You can't 'flatten' Fallujah. It's a holy city, with holy shrines that the 'wrong un's' are hiding behind/within. As Les once said, they're not daft.

Anyway, I'm staying out of this other than to ask, has anybody seen the 'American Colossus' documentary? It turns many accepted ideas on their head in a rather interesting way.

UB

vava voom

iTrader: (6)

I had some ****** of a friend e mail me the video and me beingt the tosser i watched it and all i can say is what the hell is happening to humans.....when we can do things like that to each other..what hope have our kids got????

I URGE ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN SENT THE VIDEO DO NOT WATCH IT AS SINCE THIS MORNING I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO THINK AND ALMOST CRASH THE CAR A FEW TIMES ....AND I WILL HAVE NIGHTMARES TONIGHT!!!

IF WE CAN GET ALL THE ******* TERRORIST IN ONE PLACE AND SHOOT THE ******* THEN IM UP FOR THAT AND YES I AM A MUSLIM!!

Taff107

There should be more Muslims like you vava voom, who will stand up and decry what these animals are doing......

mart360

UB

did we worry about churches and shrines during ww2??

did we ****, we gave dresden 24 hrs notice and flattened it..

why do we have fight our battles by the rule books?

apart from the warsaw convention, which under the new eu is flakey!!

i agree with you just flatten them.

but dont give them any warning,

there are also other things we could drop which as i said in one of my earlier

posts, which is there ultimate taboo,,, nothing like meeting your god with a

very big blot...


mart

Taff107

What? sausages? pork scratchings?

mart360

at last someone makes the connection!!!

along those lines yes,

amongst other things...


mart

Pbr

You are making no sense whatsoever here. Moses' post stated his belief that "Dr Germ" should not be freed as Al Quada might benefit from her knowledge of nuclear weapons. You then stated that she was involved with chemical and biological weapons and not nuclear, and that non of the former had been found anyway. My point, which you have completely missed, is that it matters not whether Al Quada gets it's hands on chemical, biological or nuclear weapons as the consequences of any one of them would be horrendous.

gsm1

No, I haven't conveniently forgotten like you do. I don't know what Diablo actually means but I'm on the other side of the lying, thieving, war mongering side of the fence.

gsm1

And my other point to Moses, which you also seemed to have missed, was that only the likes of Blair and Bush have been going on about Al-Qaeda getting their hands on chemical/biological weapons. There has been NO evidence that they have tried to or want to. When the IRA or ETA or any other terrorist organisation in the world were blowing innocent people up did anyone jump up and say, "Oh, we must ensure they don't get their hands on chemical or biological weapons".

Brit_in_Japan

There's been some nonsense written in this thread and mart360, in my opinion yours is the latest example which I couldn't let pass. Do you not get it, mindless destruction of a town or city, especially with it's religiously important mosques will only make things much, much worse. Do you think that there are no innocents there, just terrorists waiting for the US to drop big bombs on them? Do you think that it will really help the West's cause to deliberately destroy a significant religious site to Sunni muslims? Hello, are you thinking at all?

Think about the injustice the americans felt after 911 when 2500-3000 people were killed by those terrorist acts. Now ask yourself if the Iraqi people who lost their families since the beginning of hostilities should feel any different. I'm not talking of soldiers in Saddam's army or the terrorists who are carrying out this guerilla warefare, I'm talking about the 12,800-14,800 innocent Iraqi's who have died (see http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ for a breakdown). Another group inside Iraq estimates more than double that number killed.

Long term peace can only come from political dialogue and the undermining of the support for these terrorists. We have to give the vast majority of Iraqi's, the moderates, the help and encouragement to challenge the extremists and to take away their power and influence. It will be difficult and it will take years. What we cannot do is alienate the majority of Iraqi's by mindless acts of violence.

Leslie

I agree with Brit I J, no good blundering in with a great big sledgehammer, and even a nuke if I have got your drift Mart360. That is all the American forces have managed to do so far, just like Vietnam, and it only serves to strengthen the will of the terrorists as well as furthering their cause by upsetting the rest of the population.

Before you even start such a conflict you should make very sure that your own house is in order too, as well as sticking within international law.

As I said in an earlier post, one saying which I find sticks in the mind is "cut off the head of the snake!" In other words, take out those who are leading the terrorist actions, ie the fundamentalists who are using the situation for their own purposes.

Les

mart360

BIJ

again you play the pc card

"you cant do that its a holy shrine"

course we can, its precisly that pc attitude and hand wringing that gets us no where.

whilst i agree that it,s not always the best way, and it may give more problems, the time has come for the western world to say

enough is enough and strike,,

could you imagine when ww2 in japan would have ended if they hadnt dropped the big one...

did they care about the temples and the shrines, the innocents and the children.

yes they did, but they looked at the bigger picture and what they had to stop...

did it succeed,, yes..

likewise falujah, the time has come to remove it and what it stands for.


leslie, some what off the mark, you dont need to kill them, just have ***** of steel and stand up and **** the fckers




M

David Lock

BIJ is spot on. DL

Geezer

Seeing as Japan had already approached the allies about a surrender, and the Yanks dropped it for political manouveure, not military need, I don't think your argument stands up very well.

Japan was already defeated, and it was different situation anyway. The allies were defeating a soveriegn nations army, not a bunch of fanatical nutters who can recruit from anywhere in the Islamic world.

Geezer

Leslie

What with their country largely ruined, houses destroyed, lack of proper water and electricity supplies, most of the infrastructure gone, and large bombs going off at any time, as well as the many thousands of civilians killed during the war and since the greatly heralded "victory", I cannot believe PSL saying that the Iraqis are happier now than before SH's defeat. What have they got to look forward to now for the foreseeable future?

I think you must be "away with the fairies" PSL, or you are scratching for excuses for the gross errors and the lies told by your sinking hero.

The utter incompetence shown in every respect really takes the biscuit!

Les

vava voom

iTrader: (6)

ALL I KNOW IS THAT PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD WOULD RATHER KILL EACH OTHER THAN SHOW KINDNESS...I UNDERSTAND DIRECT ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN IN SOME CASES BUT NOTHING CAN CONDONE WHATS HAPPENING!!!

OUR RULERS NEED TO WAKE THE **** UP AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING......I MEAN IM UP FOR GOING OVER TO IRAQ TO KILL THOSE ******* WHO KILL THE INNOCENT BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE UNITY AND THIS IS ONE THING THAT IS LACKING.

LAST NIGHT I SAID A PRAIR FOR THOSE GUYS WHO GOT KILLED AS I WISH ALLAH/GOD WILL SHOW THEM MERCY AS WE WERENT!!!

mart360

there is no clear way out of this one..

one camp is for going in and kicking *** big time, and i dont mind admitting that

im in that camp,

the other wants diplomacy and a peacefull resolution,

unfortunatly its a situation that has only loosers and no winners.

the only way that the sitution can reverse is for the change to happen from within. and given the state of the country and the mind set of the people, its highly unlikely.

the only other option is to pull out and leave them too it.

but then we are criticised for abandoning them.

as i said a no win situation,


mart

pslewis

We left the Iraqis in the lurch once before - they were slaughtered by Saddam, these were the people that the west said 'rise up and we will fight alongside you' ...... they did rise up ...... and we left!!

We can't leave them this time - but we CAN, and SHOULD, flatten wherever these terrorists and supporters hold up - shrine or no shrine!

Interesting that the British hostage has been left so long - the Iraqis (along with others in this world) have a deep respect for Great Britian, we are best mates with the biggest bully in town (the USA) and that carries some clout

Pete

J C

all the do gooders who want to settle this with a leaflet campaign, should get on the first plane out there to see what its like,

theres only two ways to destroy your enemy one is kill them or as abraham lincoln said make him your friend, i don't think any of these people want to be anyones friend, they all think if you kill people it will get you a gold star with allah, its time these muslims woke up to the fact that religion and killing don't go together