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I dont know how anyone can watch that video.i heard John Simpson talking about it and he said it was the most disgusting thing he'd ever seen.
btw,one of the women scientists that they want freed was educated at the university of east anglia.
btw,one of the women scientists that they want freed was educated at the university of east anglia.
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If you're going to respond to my posts in this way then make sure you have understood them fully first.
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You have no idea who I am or what "real world knowledge" I have, so this comment is baseless. Even more so when your main contribution to the Iraq debate so far has been to simply regurgitate the opinion pages of The Guardian newspaper.
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Ahh, so because the probability of a terrorist attack affecting me is statistically small, that means I shouldn't be worried about it? I'm sure the train commuters in Madrid or the workers in the WTC thought the same. I repeat: Your naivete is astounding. ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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btw,one of the women scientists that they want freed was educated at the university of east anglia.
pump all the oil out and nuke the lot of them
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Originally Posted by mart360
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it would appear that they follow there learned teachings to the letter and believe that all there killing is approved by there god, and all will be forgiven..
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The only hope may be that senior and reasoned religious leaders may denounce what they are doing and gain the people's support in this. However I fear that the general hatred of USA may be just be too much for this to happen.
Say your prayers (to whatever God) for the British hostage.
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Just so we are clear gsm1, what side of what fence are YOU coming from on this?
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i cant believe the language im hearing here, " go out and wipe them out etc and pump their oil and nuke them, some of u guys sound like terrorists , if this is the mentality the imperialists have no wonder the iraqis think its a war worth dying for, sick mentality indeed
and jc u said rambo said u have to become a war, well the war was thrusted upon the ordinary iraqi wasnt it.
and jc u said rambo said u have to become a war, well the war was thrusted upon the ordinary iraqi wasnt it.
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The average Iraqi is happier now than when saddam was in power.
Its a very small uprising with a big impact on world news, look at the size of Iraq and look at the UK!
Its like an council estate in Glasgow burning itself down in protest agaisnt the increase in benefits!
Give the people in the town 24 hours to get out then flatten the lot of 'em!
We can then rebuild the town with oil money - sorted!
Its time we stopped pi55ing about and took the fight to these animals!
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Its a very small uprising with a big impact on world news, look at the size of Iraq and look at the UK!
Its like an council estate in Glasgow burning itself down in protest agaisnt the increase in benefits!
Give the people in the town 24 hours to get out then flatten the lot of 'em!
We can then rebuild the town with oil money - sorted!
Its time we stopped pi55ing about and took the fight to these animals!
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i cant believe the language im hearing here, " go out and wipe them out etc and pump their oil and nuke them, some of u guys sound like terrorists , if this is the mentality the imperialists have no wonder the iraqis think its a war worth dying for, sick mentality indeed
and jc u said rambo said u have to become a war, well the war was thrusted upon the ordinary iraqi wasnt it.
and jc u said rambo said u have to become a war, well the war was thrusted upon the ordinary iraqi wasnt it.
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You can't 'flatten' Fallujah. It's a holy city, with holy shrines that the 'wrong un's' are hiding behind/within. As Les once said, they're not daft.
Anyway, I'm staying out of this other than to ask, has anybody seen the 'American Colossus' documentary? It turns many accepted ideas on their head in a rather interesting way.
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Anyway, I'm staying out of this other than to ask, has anybody seen the 'American Colossus' documentary? It turns many accepted ideas on their head in a rather interesting way.
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I had some ****** of a friend e mail me the video and me beingt the tosser i watched it and all i can say is what the hell is happening to humans.....when we can do things like that to each other..what hope have our kids got????
I URGE ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN SENT THE VIDEO DO NOT WATCH IT AS SINCE THIS MORNING I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO THINK AND ALMOST CRASH THE CAR A FEW TIMES ....AND I WILL HAVE NIGHTMARES TONIGHT!!!
IF WE CAN GET ALL THE ******* TERRORIST IN ONE PLACE AND SHOOT THE ******* THEN IM UP FOR THAT AND YES I AM A MUSLIM!!
I URGE ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN SENT THE VIDEO DO NOT WATCH IT AS SINCE THIS MORNING I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO THINK AND ALMOST CRASH THE CAR A FEW TIMES ....AND I WILL HAVE NIGHTMARES TONIGHT!!!
IF WE CAN GET ALL THE ******* TERRORIST IN ONE PLACE AND SHOOT THE ******* THEN IM UP FOR THAT AND YES I AM A MUSLIM!!
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I had some ****** of a friend e mail me the video and me beingt the tosser i watched it and all i can say is what the hell is happening to humans.....when we can do things like that to each other..what hope have our kids got????
I URGE ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN SENT THE VIDEO DO NOT WATCH IT AS SINCE THIS MORNING I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO THINK AND ALMOST CRASH THE CAR A FEW TIMES ....AND I WILL HAVE NIGHTMARES TONIGHT!!!
IF WE CAN GET ALL THE ******* TERRORIST IN ONE PLACE AND SHOOT THE ******* THEN IM UP FOR THAT AND YES I AM A MUSLIM!!![Mad](images/smilies/mad.gif)
I URGE ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN SENT THE VIDEO DO NOT WATCH IT AS SINCE THIS MORNING I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO THINK AND ALMOST CRASH THE CAR A FEW TIMES ....AND I WILL HAVE NIGHTMARES TONIGHT!!!
IF WE CAN GET ALL THE ******* TERRORIST IN ONE PLACE AND SHOOT THE ******* THEN IM UP FOR THAT AND YES I AM A MUSLIM!!
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UB
did we worry about churches and shrines during ww2??
did we ****, we gave dresden 24 hrs notice and flattened it..
why do we have fight our battles by the rule books?
apart from the warsaw convention, which under the new eu is flakey!!
i agree with you just flatten them.
but dont give them any warning,
there are also other things we could drop which as i said in one of my earlier
posts, which is there ultimate taboo,,, nothing like meeting your god with a
very big blot...
mart
did we worry about churches and shrines during ww2??
did we ****, we gave dresden 24 hrs notice and flattened it..
why do we have fight our battles by the rule books?
apart from the warsaw convention, which under the new eu is flakey!!
i agree with you just flatten them.
but dont give them any warning,
there are also other things we could drop which as i said in one of my earlier
posts, which is there ultimate taboo,,, nothing like meeting your god with a
very big blot...
mart
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Originally Posted by mart360
........there are also other things we could drop which as i said in one of my earlier posts, which is there ultimate taboo,,, nothing like meeting your god with a very big blot...
mart
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Originally Posted by gsm1
Well you're the one who said it was affecting your sleep. Go figure. My original post was in response to Moses' post about nuclear technology, nothing to do with whether biological or chemical weapons are safe or not. Take your own advice: If you're going to respond to my posts in this way then make sure you have understood them fully first.
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gsm, have you conveniently forgotten to answer Diablos post?
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You are making no sense whatsoever here. Moses' post stated his belief that "Dr Germ" should not be freed as Al Quada might benefit from her knowledge of nuclear weapons. You then stated that she was involved with chemical and biological weapons and not nuclear, and that non of the former had been found anyway. My point, which you have completely missed, is that it matters not whether Al Quada gets it's hands on chemical, biological or nuclear weapons as the consequences of any one of them would be horrendous.
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Originally Posted by mart360
UB
did we worry about churches and shrines during ww2??
did we ****, we gave dresden 24 hrs notice and flattened it..
why do we have fight our battles by the rule books?
apart from the warsaw convention, which under the new eu is flakey!!
i agree with you just flatten them.
but dont give them any warning,
there are also other things we could drop which as i said in one of my earlier
posts, which is there ultimate taboo,,, nothing like meeting your god with a
very big blot...
mart
did we worry about churches and shrines during ww2??
did we ****, we gave dresden 24 hrs notice and flattened it..
why do we have fight our battles by the rule books?
apart from the warsaw convention, which under the new eu is flakey!!
i agree with you just flatten them.
but dont give them any warning,
there are also other things we could drop which as i said in one of my earlier
posts, which is there ultimate taboo,,, nothing like meeting your god with a
very big blot...
mart
Think about the injustice the americans felt after 911 when 2500-3000 people were killed by those terrorist acts. Now ask yourself if the Iraqi people who lost their families since the beginning of hostilities should feel any different. I'm not talking of soldiers in Saddam's army or the terrorists who are carrying out this guerilla warefare, I'm talking about the 12,800-14,800 innocent Iraqi's who have died (see http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ for a breakdown). Another group inside Iraq estimates more than double that number killed.
Long term peace can only come from political dialogue and the undermining of the support for these terrorists. We have to give the vast majority of Iraqi's, the moderates, the help and encouragement to challenge the extremists and to take away their power and influence. It will be difficult and it will take years. What we cannot do is alienate the majority of Iraqi's by mindless acts of violence.
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BIJ I understand what you are saying but Fallujah is an individual case that needs sorting. It is a hell hole, its been taken over by insurgents, its had its own mini war to try to recapture it and it has been totally surrounded by us forces when they tried to retake it. There doesn't seem to be much left worth saving there after the pounding its already taken. Its a case of needing to get the like of Al-Zarqawi out and he is not going to negotiate on any terms, that approach has already been exhausted. With his extremist ways the only way to flush him out with out losing any more troops going into get him is to bomb him out. The people of Fallujah are long gone who don't side with him. Its only his supporters that are left. The ball is in his court, either he comes out of Fallujah or the planes start bombing and its will be his responsibilty for the city and any Holy sites getting flattened. You can't negotiate with these people no matter what you say. Fallujah is a nest of extemism and the only way to fight it is to destroy it.
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I agree with Brit I J, no good blundering in with a great big sledgehammer, and even a nuke if I have got your drift Mart360. That is all the American forces have managed to do so far, just like Vietnam, and it only serves to strengthen the will of the terrorists as well as furthering their cause by upsetting the rest of the population.
Before you even start such a conflict you should make very sure that your own house is in order too, as well as sticking within international law.
As I said in an earlier post, one saying which I find sticks in the mind is "cut off the head of the snake!" In other words, take out those who are leading the terrorist actions, ie the fundamentalists who are using the situation for their own purposes.
Les
Before you even start such a conflict you should make very sure that your own house is in order too, as well as sticking within international law.
As I said in an earlier post, one saying which I find sticks in the mind is "cut off the head of the snake!" In other words, take out those who are leading the terrorist actions, ie the fundamentalists who are using the situation for their own purposes.
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BIJ
again you play the pc card
"you cant do that its a holy shrine"
course we can, its precisly that pc attitude and hand wringing that gets us no where.
whilst i agree that it,s not always the best way, and it may give more problems, the time has come for the western world to say
enough is enough and strike,,
could you imagine when ww2 in japan would have ended if they hadnt dropped the big one...
did they care about the temples and the shrines, the innocents and the children.
yes they did, but they looked at the bigger picture and what they had to stop...
did it succeed,, yes..
likewise falujah, the time has come to remove it and what it stands for.
leslie, some what off the mark, you dont need to kill them, just have ***** of steel and stand up and **** the fckers
M
again you play the pc card
"you cant do that its a holy shrine"
course we can, its precisly that pc attitude and hand wringing that gets us no where.
whilst i agree that it,s not always the best way, and it may give more problems, the time has come for the western world to say
enough is enough and strike,,
could you imagine when ww2 in japan would have ended if they hadnt dropped the big one...
did they care about the temples and the shrines, the innocents and the children.
yes they did, but they looked at the bigger picture and what they had to stop...
did it succeed,, yes..
likewise falujah, the time has come to remove it and what it stands for.
leslie, some what off the mark, you dont need to kill them, just have ***** of steel and stand up and **** the fckers
M
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Originally Posted by mart360
could you imagine when ww2 in japan would have ended if they hadnt dropped the big one...
did they care about the temples and the shrines, the innocents and the children.
yes they did, but they looked at the bigger picture and what they had to stop...
did it succeed,, yes..
did they care about the temples and the shrines, the innocents and the children.
yes they did, but they looked at the bigger picture and what they had to stop...
did it succeed,, yes..
Japan was already defeated, and it was different situation anyway. The allies were defeating a soveriegn nations army, not a bunch of fanatical nutters who can recruit from anywhere in the Islamic world.
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What with their country largely ruined, houses destroyed, lack of proper water and electricity supplies, most of the infrastructure gone, and large bombs going off at any time, as well as the many thousands of civilians killed during the war and since the greatly heralded "victory", I cannot believe PSL saying that the Iraqis are happier now than before SH's defeat. What have they got to look forward to now for the foreseeable future?
I think you must be "away with the fairies" PSL, or you are scratching for excuses for the gross errors and the lies told by your sinking hero.
The utter incompetence shown in every respect really takes the biscuit!
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I think you must be "away with the fairies" PSL, or you are scratching for excuses for the gross errors and the lies told by your sinking hero.
The utter incompetence shown in every respect really takes the biscuit!
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So Les you think they were better off under SH fearing every day whether the secret police would turn up and take the husbands and sons away never to be seen again? To live under such Tyrany where the poor just got poorer as SH fed all the wealth from the country's resources into his own pocket? Where his sons could murder and rape every day without any justice system?
I think you are overlooking just how bad the rule of SH actually was!
I think you are overlooking just how bad the rule of SH actually was!
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ALL I KNOW IS THAT PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD WOULD RATHER KILL EACH OTHER THAN SHOW KINDNESS...I UNDERSTAND DIRECT ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN IN SOME CASES BUT NOTHING CAN CONDONE WHATS HAPPENING!!!
OUR RULERS NEED TO WAKE THE **** UP AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING......I MEAN IM UP FOR GOING OVER TO IRAQ TO KILL THOSE ******* WHO KILL THE INNOCENT BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE UNITY AND THIS IS ONE THING THAT IS LACKING.
LAST NIGHT I SAID A PRAIR FOR THOSE GUYS WHO GOT KILLED AS I WISH ALLAH/GOD WILL SHOW THEM MERCY AS WE WERENT!!!
OUR RULERS NEED TO WAKE THE **** UP AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING......I MEAN IM UP FOR GOING OVER TO IRAQ TO KILL THOSE ******* WHO KILL THE INNOCENT BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE UNITY AND THIS IS ONE THING THAT IS LACKING.
LAST NIGHT I SAID A PRAIR FOR THOSE GUYS WHO GOT KILLED AS I WISH ALLAH/GOD WILL SHOW THEM MERCY AS WE WERENT!!!
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there is no clear way out of this one..
one camp is for going in and kicking *** big time, and i dont mind admitting that
im in that camp,
the other wants diplomacy and a peacefull resolution,
unfortunatly its a situation that has only loosers and no winners.
the only way that the sitution can reverse is for the change to happen from within. and given the state of the country and the mind set of the people, its highly unlikely.
the only other option is to pull out and leave them too it.
but then we are criticised for abandoning them.
as i said a no win situation,
mart
one camp is for going in and kicking *** big time, and i dont mind admitting that
im in that camp,
the other wants diplomacy and a peacefull resolution,
unfortunatly its a situation that has only loosers and no winners.
the only way that the sitution can reverse is for the change to happen from within. and given the state of the country and the mind set of the people, its highly unlikely.
the only other option is to pull out and leave them too it.
but then we are criticised for abandoning them.
as i said a no win situation,
mart
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We left the Iraqis in the lurch once before - they were slaughtered by Saddam, these were the people that the west said 'rise up and we will fight alongside you' ...... they did rise up ...... and we left!! ![Frown](images/smilies/frown.gif)
We can't leave them this time - but we CAN, and SHOULD, flatten wherever these terrorists and supporters hold up - shrine or no shrine!
Interesting that the British hostage has been left so long - the Iraqis (along with others in this world) have a deep respect for Great Britian, we are best mates with the biggest bully in town (the USA) and that carries some clout
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We can't leave them this time - but we CAN, and SHOULD, flatten wherever these terrorists and supporters hold up - shrine or no shrine!
Interesting that the British hostage has been left so long - the Iraqis (along with others in this world) have a deep respect for Great Britian, we are best mates with the biggest bully in town (the USA) and that carries some clout
Pete
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all the do gooders who want to settle this with a leaflet campaign, should get on the first plane out there to see what its like,
theres only two ways to destroy your enemy one is kill them or as abraham lincoln said make him your friend, i don't think any of these people want to be anyones friend, they all think if you kill people it will get you a gold star with allah, its time these muslims woke up to the fact that religion and killing don't go together
theres only two ways to destroy your enemy one is kill them or as abraham lincoln said make him your friend, i don't think any of these people want to be anyones friend, they all think if you kill people it will get you a gold star with allah, its time these muslims woke up to the fact that religion and killing don't go together