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Old 22 September 2004, 05:59 PM
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Whatever you do B2Z, exercise is a plus of course in getting fit again. I think you had better not rush into heavy exercise too quickly though, you need to work up at a sensible rate because it is easy to overdo it at first and could cause problems. Extreme exercise is not good for you anyway and can cause damage over a long period of time. I know one or two long distance runners and the like who have suffered quite badly later in life.

Glad to see you have kicked the weed. I left it a bit too long before I did that and was lucky to get away with a major operation to put it right without damage.

Diet is important but I think that once you are at your preferred weight, a little of what you fancy does you no harm. Just have to work at it to control it.

Good luck anyway.

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Old 22 September 2004, 06:18 PM
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You are leaving a far bigger gap between your lunch and evening dinner so you are really hungry at night then stuffing only a few hours before going to bed.

You need to change this if you can, far better to have more healthy food for dinner then have something else perhaps fruit based at around 5pm to fill you up a bit.
Only eat lightly after 7pm, then do some exercise before going to bed.

Eating heavily at night not only increases your body fat but also increases cholestorol and also your chances of heart disease.

If you are getting chest pains you must get checked out before starting to exercise.

Start gently and work up at your own pace, it's the only way to do it.

You don't want a heart attack in your 30's like me.

Cheers
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Old 22 September 2004, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Where's milo these days? I haven't seen the word ketosis for ages!
im still around

ketosis in a lake... i can recap what it is if you've forgotten again?
Old 22 September 2004, 06:21 PM
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smaller cleaner meals more often.. thats what u need.

u seriously cant afford 20 quid a month for gym membership?
Old 22 September 2004, 06:44 PM
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£20 - I wish - mines £51 but worth every penny. I cancelled the membership 9 months ago thinking I could excercise outdoors - but its hard to motivate yourself to run for half an hour in snow ice strong winds etc... I also found tarmac and cross country running battered my joints - sprained ligaments on a couple of occasions - should have had shares in tubigrip at one point!
Anyway back at the gym 3 times a week (David Lloyd one) and mountain biking at weekends (Delemere Forest, weather permitting - Im a wimp )
I'm 30 drink 40+ units per week, like a "social smoke" and would marry a donner kebab if she asked - 34" waist 13 stone... I feel great for the excercise and reckon a 25 min run @ 9k to start with will set you on the right path. As for cycling I reckon 8-10 mile sessions with a mix of road/track and up/down will be a decent start.
Hope the docs give you the nod to start enjoying your excercise mate - we're all different - so maybe just do what feels good for you
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Old 22 September 2004, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdabz
£20 - I wish - mines £51 but worth every penny.
thats because you're in a fancy schmancy cardio gym

circa £20 is for a "barebones hardcore power rack and oly weight"-only gym
Old 22 September 2004, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ozzy
BTW, you'd be surprised just how much sugar is in coco pops.
exactly.. plus as you're having it with milk (another simple sugar), you're not doing yourself any favors as far as insulin spike goes.

and as telboy knows, thats a big no-no for fat loss (especially on ketogenic diets)
Old 22 September 2004, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Chees Tel, a skipping rope will be a lot cheaper than a swimming pool membership! Is skipping seriously as beneficial as running and cycling?
cardio is cardio. do whatever u want for it. you're only interested in burning calories, and thats dependent on your heart rate and how long u exercise for.

i would always advise that in general if you're doing cardio for fat loss and general conditioning, to pick the exercise that has least impact on your joints. in other words for example, pick cycling over running as it's easier on your joints.
Old 22 September 2004, 07:38 PM
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I stick to the 2500 cals and 90g of fat thats the RDA for average male ( 5'10'' and 12 stone sounds pretty average to me!) that is printed on the side of my Cornflakes box and that seems to do me well in the Nutrition dept!

I think you can look at the whole diet thing to much and get a bit lost in all, the above intake coupled with a good hours march through the woods each day (get a cocker spaniel ) keeps me feeling fine!

Oh, and I like you I used to have the Mars Bars etc cravings and have replaced them totally with fruit - now if feeling peckish I have an Apple or Bannana instead. The other thing I found to really help me keep trim was cutting all white bread out of my diet - I really didn't appriciate how evil it is

Good luck mate,

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Old 22 September 2004, 07:45 PM
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Must agree with the Gym and exercise comments.

After my heart attack I did 12 weeks in the hospital gym and enjoyed it.

I started walking at home but as my fitness level increased I wasn't working out enough by walking.

Running was a complete waste of time, 100yds and give up was the best I could manage and then there's the wind and rain.

So I bought a £400 bike, a cycle rack and all the kit. Still couldn't get into it.

So I joined one of our local health clubs. This One

Cost is £42 a month but it's worth every penny. I still find the treadmill and cross trainer hard going but I do that and then look forward to a relax in the Sauna, Steam Room, Pool and Spa.
I would say I'm going around 15 times a month so it's less than £3 a time.

I'm fitter now than before my heart attack.

Just got to sort how the heart drugs affect my stomach.

I can't believe how different I feel on a healthy diet and exercise.

Cheers
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Old 22 September 2004, 11:54 PM
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Long walks, brisk, not too fast, at night ie after 19-2000hrs.

At least 5 miles to start with, then after a couple of weeks increase to a target you find just achievable, circa 8-10 miles.

5 miles should take no more than a 50 mins.

Bin bag vests (X2), and a hoody fleece type top, joggy bottoms (X2).

Whatever the weather, every other day, no excuses.

Eat properly, at set times and never after 2000 hrs, try substituting a meal with a powdered protien drink.

When you want a sugar hit, eat grapes, green, and black, it works believe me.

Stick to this routine for at least 3 months and I guarantee, you will feel better, and you will have lost weight.........or you money back.

Talking of money, it will cost you **** all........
Old 23 September 2004, 10:29 AM
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I made the mistake getting a dog that couldnt owrk more than a mile at a time, really with I got a pointer or something to come for a run with me, would have enjoyed it much more....

I go for a 3 1/2 mile run regularry but its about the most I can do but my ankles really do hurt.... (running in a field too so its not the tarmac) really dont know how to combat this... pain if they didnt hurt Id probably manage much more distance.

as said Grapes are a supurb way of attacking the munchies and theyre healthy...

Really wanna get my house extension done but thats not gonna be for 5 years Id say, want to convert the garage into part of the house with a few nice gym machines like a treadmill... theres no way Im paying to go to a gym to get fit and if I could get the equipement in my own home then that'd be great, could work out whilst nice and warm AND watch the telly or play music
Old 23 September 2004, 10:31 AM
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Get an old Vincent Rapide or Black Shadow. Kick starting it will get the weight off!

Les
Old 16 October 2004, 09:41 PM
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Scoobynet Peer Pressure Group calling - progress report please!
Old 16 October 2004, 11:01 PM
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B2Z.

You are a lost case, all that advice, and youve done nowt, or next to nowt.

You have Zero motivation, what does it take to go out and walk/cycle around your local park, an hour out of your life, "just do it".....( Where is the Nike swoosh smilie when you need it ?)

Go on....do it now, I dare you !

So what, its dark and raining, just get your kit on, and walk fast for an hour.

{Tucks into another large slice of Vienetta}
Old 16 October 2004, 11:11 PM
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I recently (a month ago) re-started on the health trail.. after a 10 year absence from seriou sgym training. (have done martial arts since)
I PM'd Milo and spent quite a while grilling him about my goals, and how to best acheive them...

I think a lot of progress can be made if have the willpower
Ie: when I wake up - "I CAN make it to the gym tonight" and " I WONT poison myself with processed ****e from the vending machine".....
"I WILL eat my tuna and wholegrain bread" etc...

also combined with three to four visits per week to the local old skool free weights only gym.. short sharp intense workouts using lots of 'compound' exercises- Squats, press's , dealifts and the muscles are coming along nicely

worked a treat for me.
Not lost much weight as it were ( 4-5lbs) BUT I look and feel loads better, can actually sleep at night (solid night's kip)
wife is liking the resurrected long dormant muscles too
I sit on my **** all day long for 10hrs+ in my job. you're not alone.

just remember you CAN do it mate

If you want it bad enough, and set yourself some realistic goals (weekly>monthly>annual) I WILL go to the gym three times this week> I will fit into those smart trousers by the end of the month> I want to have lost half a stone and be a 32" waist again etc..

you been to the doc yet for a checkup?

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Old 16 October 2004, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Erm well the first 2 weeks went well, cut out all biscuits, ice cream, crisps, chocolate bars. Have had a bit of a lapse in the evenings recently though, still don't eat anything bad during the day, just sandwiches, an apple and a banana but then I get comfy on the sofa in front of the telly in the evenings and have been snacking on bad things like crisps and chocolate. Not every night, but been more than I wanted which is to be T total on the sweet stuff! Been having ice cream after dinner lately as well

Stupid thing is been keeping to low fat main courses at dinner and then blow it out the window with dessert and evening munchies

Need to get one of those Hanibal Lecter masks to keep bad things away from my greedy chops!

As for excercise - nothing, was trying to get the diet sorted first so until I can get that right the excercise thing is on the back burner.

What should be your heart rate at rest for someone who is 6'3, 14-15 stone (don't actually know exactly as don't own any scales!) and early 30's? I measured mine just out of interest and it was exactly 50 beats per minute.

Whats the heart rate needed to get fat burning? 120 beats per minute? All I know is i've got to do something as chest pains have been getting worse lately (stress) and after a year of giving up i've started smoking again due to the worry of waiting for baby to be born (although do know I can stop again immediately baby is born)

Not good - need a good kick up the ar$e I know to wake me up to what I am doing to my health!

Resting heart rate is a wierd one, it doesn't really tell you much about fitness. What you really want to look at is your recovery rate (time to recover back to near your resting rate after exercise), this is what you'll really see improving as your fitness improves. Not sure how accurate this is but I was always told that you calculate your theoretical maximum heart rate as 220 - your age, so ~ 190 in your case, and you want to work at ~60-70% of your maximum to burn fat, so above 120bpm would be in your ideal range.

Good luck with the fitness regime, I've been trying to do the same myself, I put on about 2 or 3 stone in a couple of years after leaving uni and getting a job, just trying to lose it now. Currently trying to do 10km on a rowing machine every day which seems to be working nicely. J
Old 16 October 2004, 11:15 PM
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The heart rate required to get into 'fat-burning' mode is 60-70% of your max heart rate VERY roughly....

The trouble is, while this is an easy heart rate to maintain (if cycling, you'd be hardly out of puff), you have to exercise for 1-2 hours to really benefit at this heart rate - and NOT do it just after a meal. ie...you want your body to be drawing on fat reserves, and not the quick & easy energy just put into your stomach.

20-30 minutes at this 'fat-burning' heart rate will not get much fat burnt sadly

The key to exercise is to try and find something you enjoy. Has to be like this. Which is why cycling or walking are often the best two. You can cycle or walk to get somewhere or to see things. Cycling because it transports you over relatively long distances to see lots of different things, and walking because it gets you somewhere without being in too much of a sweaty mess once there.

ie, if your town centre is 4 miles away, walk there to buy something, and walk back. That'd be a good 2 hours of exercise at weekends - which combines exercise with a non-exercise goal (ie, buying something).

Finally, one incentive as regards the smoking. Cot-death risk is HUGELY increased if either of the parents smoke. Even if you don't smoke around the child, but in the same house.....and even if you smoke outside the house, but bring your faggy breath near the child. All proven to heighten risk.

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Old 16 October 2004, 11:19 PM
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If you hate 'traditional' exercise (gym/bike etc) why not try kick boxing or muay thai or traditional boxing?? great for fitness

worth a try?

I have done wing Chun for 5 years, but unfortunately its all based around conservation of energy so not great for fitness/weight loss

Looking forward to going back near xmas after work calms down (WC is 70 miles away) with my new found physique and fitness

bit of agression release will sort out your stress issues
Old 16 October 2004, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chrome
I have done wing Chun for 5 years.....
Is Wing Chun in any way related to Wan King which many of us men have been practising since early-teens?
Old 16 October 2004, 11:23 PM
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of course
www.wingchun.co.uk
actually, come to think about it- it will be 6 years in january.
It's scary stuff when you are on the recieving end of it

Wing Chun that is! ...not wan- king
Old 16 October 2004, 11:31 PM
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Well, it seems the cheapest forms of exercise are free.

You have a bike, so that shouldn't cost you anything further.
Walking requires zero cost
Running may require a decent pair of running shoes.

Press-ups etc have their place, but require far too much motivation IMHO. Probably not your bag either.
Old 16 October 2004, 11:34 PM
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I think its more of a battle in your mind than with your body..
you need to want to do it.. for whatever your reasons are ..


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