ALi-B

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ABS may not help....extra weight transfer can make it worse.
Now if it had Electronic Stabilty control that would have helped.

Paulo P

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ABS wouldn't help at all I think If you are going too fast then nothing can save you really

Chris L

Not good Anyone who has owned a 205 GTI will know all about lift off oversteer. It takes a lot of courage to stay on the power in those situations though. You've got to say though - driving like that round a blind corner on a public road really is asking for trouble. The scooter driver was amazingly lucky. Don't get the cheering thing ether??

matt85

Tell me about it!!

I have watched that clip about 20 times and every time i just expect him to flick the back end back round rally-style and every time i see it i just get totally shocked when it ends up in a mess.

He was driving like a total dick though. Hopefully he will learn his lesson

SC008Y_MAD

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Ouch...thats gotta hurt

Paulo P

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Just one thought though......If he'd whipped up the handbrake and took off the opposite lock then that wouldn't have happened

LG John

He could have easily pulled out of that slide with a little power rather than staying on the brake like he did. It wasn't too fast at all - if it was he'd have gone straight on! Of course, had he done the right thing and gone on the power he'd have straightened the pug up but would have gone head first into the scooter killing both riders.

This is one instance where we are actually glad the guy was a crap driver because he saved two lives........bizzarly!

Dracoro

So in other words, it WAS too fast for the road as either a) he crashes into scooter or b) into wall as he did. IF nothing was coming the other way then it could be argued that it wasn't too fast but since you can't see round the corner that argument goes out the window.

LG John

I said it wasn't too fast for the corner in that he could have easily sorted out what was (by my saxo's standards ) very mild lift-off oversteer. In fact he could have taken it a bit faster and still made it round the corner without leaving the road.

However, there is no doubt whatsoever that he was going too fast for the conditions especially given that he was on the wrong side of the road at points and the corner was blind!

kammy

No defense to what he/she has done. However, whats not to say the driver did have the abilty to catch it, but stuck it in the hedge to save the scooter boys life?
Still you dance with the devil and all that.
Kam

LG John

That is a very fair point kammy and I did consider that however I feel on closer examination of the video this is a driver that didn't know what he/she was doing!

Wish

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Nice demonstration of the air bag system, It only just starts touching the mountain and the cars saftey system comes in.


Rather him than me

BOB.T

The slide is actually nothing to do with the brakes, if you watch again, he looses it, the back end swings round (oversteer) and he thinks 'oh ****' and plants the brake, you can see the lights come on.

The thing to do in this situation is to gas it, it goes completely against the grain and it's not easy to do! You just need the fronts wheels pointing in the right direction and then they'll drag the back end round the bend.

Or better still, don't be a **** in front of loads of your mates holding video cameras

Ubik

I wonder if when his insurance renewal came back he opted for a scooter instead?

Brendan Hughes

Wonder if he was able to ride one?

Fat Boy

Not nice, but hey it could have been worse, imagine if he'd had fuel surge as well...

LG John

He was turning left you moron

TRF

the scooter driver made me chuckle as he turns round to see what happened and nearly ends up off the road himself

Rich D

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ABS is a driver aid, not a miracle worker...

Fat Boy

LOL

Patt@firstime

Simple answer - don't drive like that on public roads! If your that much of a hero then go hire a track!

AvalancheS8

Just watched this, and two things occur. One, it's somewhere that they drive on the right, the driver will be on the left hand side of the car, the one that ends up in the air not on the ground, so they should be fine, hopefully they didn't have a passenger. Two, if they had made quick, accurate steering corrections as soon as they felt it let go and got on the gas they would have easily saved it without crossing onto the other side of the road and into the path of the scooter rider. There is no way it was a case of either saving it or hitting the scooter. I suspect that keeping going as they were without lifting might even have been enough.

It does all stem from entering the corner too fast for the driver's abilities though, not the car's, that car could have been driven round that corner that fast quite neatly on one side of the road by someone with some skill in front wheel drive cars.

Not a smart way to behave on the road though.

chaos.

lol bet he felt a ****

trails

iTrader: (41)

Absolutely right...14 years ago (phew !), I spun my first car (mkI XR2), through a brick wall...goes something like this; too fast into the corner, no driving skill, panic, lift off, over correct, over correct again finally coming to rest have met a large brick wall rendering any further corrections useless.

A lesson everyone has to learn but hopefully not to their or anyone else cost...

+Doc+

What a tw@t

Danny B

Shouldn't this be in driving techinques so all you "experts" can tell us what he did wrong