TelBoy

LOL, where's Holy Ghost with his systematic analysis of the lies told so far by this Labour government, posted about 6 months ago? You REALLY wouldn't make that accusation if you saw that first. None are as blind as those who can't see...

Jerome

It's time to out the troll. Your not NACRO's alter ego are you?

mad_dr

What DID happen to NACRO? I asked a few months ago but no one replied... Boy I miss him sometimes.

TelBoy

Nobody really knows. Could still be here in his non-troll identity, quite possibly. Personally i wouldn't write him off just yet...

the moose

There's little point in systematic analyses of lies told by governments; they all do it, to a greater or lesser degree.

In general, all governments aim to improve the lot of the people, but are also comprised by ambitious people who quite frequently use underhand means or wish to make personal gain. There's a natural dichotomy here, and in some ways I welcome this. After all, do you want an effective (but slimy and perhaps slightly crooked) person organising public services, or an ineffective (albeit brimming with enthusiasm and moral probity) amateur? I'd go with the scumbag, but within limits.

The Labour government are, to my mind, slightly better that the previous administration, but there's not a huge amount in it. I honestly believe that the Conversative party are morally corrupt, and it's always a surprise to meet a good one; I'd say the converse is true of the Labour party.

Where the Tories fell down was in not having a 'for' agenda; they were (and are) still very good at saying what they don't like, but there's precious little there in terms of what they do like. The Labour party came in saying that they would invest massively in education and the health service, and they have. The results are interesting; we've seen a hefty increase in longevity in the last five years (unfortunately this has also led to increased deficits for company persion schemes), and a huge increase in university attendance. This last one seems daft to me (why should 50% of the population go to university - not sure the supply:demand ratio for graduates:jobs has been properly thought through), but you can't deny that the places are there.

Sadly, they've also led us into an unwinnable war on the flimsiest of pretexts, which is a HUGE vote-loser. They're just lucky that the Tories are at least as disorganised as they've ever been, and thus have no realistic chance of a win for at least the next 5 years, or as long as it takes them to find a leader who appeals to the majority of the county and a set of policies which aren't centred on crime, immigration, and Europe.

PS Tel, you haven't forgotten our bet on the outcome, have you? Think I backed a winner on that one!

pslewis

Come on now, no more messing about, no-one - no-one - can POSSIBLY think that the Tory shower will beat the great Labour party!

You might not like Labour, you might not like Tony, you might wish the tories could run the country, you might want santa to be real .... but .....

Own up now, Labours going to walk it aren't they??

You're a baffoon if you REALLY think anything else!

Pete

Dracoro

Now now pete. I honestly believe that labour will get in next time, however it's certainly not a 'fact', it's a strongly held OPINION (granted, one many would agree with). Besides anything can happen in the next 12 months that could change things. In any case, I bet you, and many others at the time, were shouting that there was no way that John Major would win the election back in the nineties but he did.

I take it you are putting £50k on the election at the bookies then? Sure fire way of making a few grand surely?

pslewis

The election is only 6 months away and no, I would NEVER put money where MY mouth is!

Pete

TelBoy

Forgotten our bet?? I'm still considering doubling up!!!

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

psl i concider you the most annoying person on SN

(you argue well but still talk rubbish lol)

andy

ajm

We beat him into submission over several days in a 35 page epic at which point he pretended that he had been a school kid all along and disappeared saying his parents had confiscated his laptop.

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...&page=35&pp=20

see post #699 (even Tony Blair has a better exit strategy than that!)

He then made a brief encore as the muslim fundementalist "Suhail" but was rumbled within seconds, choosing once again that discretion was the better part of valour and disappearing after a few days.

I suspect there probably have been more comebacks, but none worthy of proper attention

pslewis

I conSider that you cannot even spell so therefore not one of the brightest bulbs in the box .......... I will therefore take your opinions with the pinch of salt they warrant

Pete

dpb

So at long last the electorate have come to their senses...!! It s taken too long but with 240 seats down labours days are numbered...

Petem95

*sigh* mods, shouldnt this thread be in muppets?

Only need to look at the name of the thread starter to know its 99% likely to be trolling

Suresh

Unlike this one of course: http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512998

stevencotton

Yes, totally unlike that one.

Leslie

Why do you think NL has been kicked in the slats by the country then Suresh?

Les

The Zohan

LOL
I knew it, its those basta*d voters let NL down!

I knew it was not Tony or his cronies to blame.

Holy Ghost

you've got a good memory tel.

here's some more systematic analysis: lewis, you are a tosser.

good night at the ballot box, eh?

Suresh

Les,

I don't know know what 'slats' are but I assume it hurts if someone kicks you there! Keep in mind that the turnout was a paltry 36% (source: bbc website), so probably only those who felt strongly actually bothered to vote. What the hell were the rest of the electorate doing that was so much more important . I don't have a vote in UK local elections, so you can't blame me!


Primary reasons : Bad headlines concerning immigration / criminality. Also proving themselves to be just as sleazy as the Tories who went before them.

Secondary reasons : Being arrogant and not listening to the electorate. But hey, they're politicians, so they always do what they think is best. This isn't always a bad thing, but at some point politicians need to pay heed to public sentiment and not only try to lead it. Keep in mind that if you asked the electorate if they wanted to any pay taxes, you'd probably get a resounding "no". So should politicians eliminate taxation because the electorate would want it?

Hope to have answered to your satisfaction.

Suresh

lordretsudo

Hartlepool, LOL! Those monkey-hangers must be the only people in the country that could ever have been stupid enough to vote for Peter Mandelson repeatedly. If that doesn't tell you how much of a Labour stronghold it is, nothing would.

They also voted a lion-suit wearing football mascot in as mayor. Enough said about the deep political resonations of a landslide Labour victory in 'pool.

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

No ps lewis today has he topped himself

Bonehead

Doubt we'll be that lucky

unclebuck

Nice thought though.

pslewis

Errrrm, and who, pray, are in the UEFA Cup Final next Wednesday??

pslewis ALWAYS knows whats about to happen!!

Pete

pslewis

And then, in May 2005, Labour WIN AGAIN!!

Pete

pslewis

Incredible insight, incredible wisdom, incredible, just incredible ......

Pete

KiwiGTI

But what's a baffoon?

pslewis

Well said Suresh!!

They can start trolling threads .... but, if anyone else does ..... oooooo they get their handbags out Big girls blouses Lesley and petem95 are!

Pete

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Whats your prediction for the next election then? ,oh mystic one