easyrider

Forgot to add-all with only green on the knocklink

harrymonk

Love my bugeye sti ppp and can keep with o4 blob sti ppp all the way to the top.
Paul

bluepolarbear

I've had a MY99 UK and my MY01 UK goes back tomorrow for an STI. All are company cars to no mods but fully serviced etc and run on 95RON.

You always have to be careful about comparing cars with other drivers because it is the driver that makes the difference. I once stuck with a P1 simply because the road was twisty and the driver was braking about 400yrs earlier than me. I would never suggest that the MY01 is as fast as P1

The MY99 is faster than the MY01 in both perception, times, and real world driving. Overtakes in the MY99 are not there in the MY01. The MY01 was designed to be refined and not "quick", it was soft and the MY99 is hard.

There are two issues with the MY01 one is the ECU remap, it is softer, power and boost comes in softer and slower. The other is the third gear not sure whether it is gearing or ECU or both but once rolling in third you won't pull away from a top end rep mobile.

Where it does score is in 1st and 2nd, it can still hit 60 in 6 from a standstill which is a second up + on most rep mobiles and only 0.5 sec away the MY99 (one fluffed / slow gear change in real world). If on the twisties and keeping it in second it will stick with a MY99, if anything it is more composed corner, venture into fast A Road or overtake terrority and the MY99 would slower but surely vanish into the distance.

VaTaNeN

Had a MY99 UK and now have a MY01 UK, the classic felt more aggressive in driving whereas the MY01 is more refined. The classic may have been a bit quicker but that takes nothing away from the MY01; still fun to drive and I love it every time I get in it!

Nephilim

Yes I tested an unmoded 01 Bugeye a couple of months back and thought i twas pants really. I took it out on my own and literally thrashed the *** out of it to see if it was really what I wanted - it was about to cost me a lot of money. There was no fun or smile factor there at all.

There's no way that it was as nimble or as quick as the '98 unmoded classic I sold in Feb - no debate. To be fair though I had just stepped out of my Mitsu 3000GT which when wound up was a storming car!

The only Bugeye I'd think about owning is an STi and an import at that I think.

JonathanC

Interesting other MY01 owners experiencing variable performance. Mine feels like it is strangled some days with no boost, others it seems to pull really strongly. It feels like an ECU problem or sensor issue.
Interestingly it has been a bit difficult to start when hot and at the last service the ECU shows a camshaft sensor problem which the garage dismissed saying this is a known problem with the ecu. Something fishy here I think? Will investigate further and let you know if I turn up anything.

Nephilim

Yes I should have added that when I tested the car it was very wet, foggy and the atmosphere quite oppressive - one of those wet and dreary summer days we get. I don't know if that would have controbuted to the car's complete lack of fizz.

Dave.

Wilster

Three years ago, before I bought an MY99, I test-drove an 01 bugeye and thought it was fast and fun. But I also test-drove the said MY99 and it won the day (because it was even more fun to drive) but only just, all things considered (age, price, refinement, good deal on the bugeye).

I've now changed to an MY02 Wagon. When I test-drove that (having just stepped out my std MY99) I was shocked at how slow and under-whelming it felt. PPP was the only way to go and now it probably just pips the std classic.

Wilster

easyrider

My comparisons were made on straights as well as the bendy bits

Barmyclown

Right did a semi scientific experiment using GT3 A-Spec. Don`t laugh. This was done just to see what 200kg weight differance would do to a car over 400 metres, or 1/4 mile. The the results were a bit of a mixed bag from no difference. to around 0.6 of a second max. All this was done using The traction control to take away the variable of how good the launch was.

Ubik

Had a problem starting mine on a couple of occasions (MY01WRX) my mate who has the same car had the same fault. New cam sensor and it was fixed. The garage will not replace mine as the ECU does not report a fault. No worries got a lot of warrenty left.

As far as bugeye / classic performance. Diffcult to say. My mate has a classic and I have a bugeye, we have swapped cars and driven them hard to see what we think.

My opinion: Classic was faster but by too much. When the turbo kicks in you notice!

Jimbobs opinion: Bugeye was faster but not percieved as quick becuase the turbo is much more gentle when it kicks in. He maintained that the speed and times were about the same.

I think the bugeye (as standard) is a little slugish at times but at others it can really fly. Very odd!

Will be taking mine to TSL at my dealers recommendation at the first opportunity I get.

Sandman

Hi everybody, i've got a MY01 Wrx, and yes i was dissapointed UNTIL i had a full de-cat an ecutec 3 re map etc now 282bhp with 272 and 273lb torque at 3754 rpm. now thats nice, toasts many now.!

WRX_Rich

iTrader: (5)

lol all bollox IMHO

you need a good 50 bhp on a road to make any noticable difference

I have chaced all manor of scoobs round in my 02 wrx, now I couldn't leave a std scoob for dead nor gain much( my car has a few mods 280 ish bhp 280 ish lbs est )

I was watching a car show on tv with a top driver round a track in a bmw m3 and then the m3 csl ... well the exta £20k or what ever it was got an extra second or so a lap

and would you notice this much on the road... emm I think not, a good driver will make that up on the first bend

I bought a scoob because every week I would end up playing with a red wrx round my area and he would alway have a edge to my mini cooper s, now I have one now and Yes I have a edge but I would need 400 ish bhp to really kick ***, but then with all that lag would it hinder b road action

I just think Scoobs aren't quick in a streight line unless u spend a fortune, but they are fun

Rich

easyrider

I had never had this problem with my WRX until shortly after this thread started.
It coincided with me resetting my ecu because of the "cat below efficiency" cel had come on again.To start with i thought it was just doing its learning after the reset to get its ignition advance,but after 200 or so miles it was still having good days and bad ones.So i set about monitoring with the SECS and found that it was constantly altering the ign advance/knock correction,which got me a little miffed as i thought the only way it would do this was because it was detecting the dreaded det-but there was no activity on the knocklink.First off i thought that the oe knock sensor may be on its way out, but i thought that i may as well reset the ecu again just to see what happened.Once reset again,it was back to its normal self-it carried out its learning process pretty quickly and there was no jumping up and down ign advance/knock correction.
So basically the ecu seemed to be in a state of confusion,which was causing it to give an erratic power curve,of which a reset cured it!!!

Gary

WRX_Rich

iTrader: (5)

your knock correction should rise with boost, its your knock sensor working ( i think )

I was thinking my car was running slow, but on a stretch of road I visit most days I hit the same top speed

think lots of its to do with how slow you have been driving - I took the girl friends mother out for a day - stayed off boost and tootled round town, the car has never felt so quick when I let rip after I dropped her off

and don't chace bikes, that always makes the scoob feel sloooooooooooooooooow

the std wrx scoob is slow compared to most sport cars - look at the new hot hatches, most can keep up

easyrider

Correct-basically,when it was faulty,it wasnt even getting to 6.It would max out at 5 and would fluctuate between 0 and 5 and somtimes hold at 5.After the reset it maxes out at 9.5 (after learning)and holds it when on boost,as it did before it was playing up,which makes a suprising difference to the power delivery.This isnt "placebo" its "fact".

Gary

Pastor

*COUGH* I think you'll find the reason the bugeye lags behind so badly is due to it's excess weight when compared to a classic. Might also explain why your bugeye running mods (with over 50bhp advantage you mention)is not significantly faster than a "std scoob" as you put it. Power/weight ratio needs to be taken into consideration as well as output.

All I can say is when I was driving Dave's bugeye we got well whipped by the classic. Of course I have no idea what mods it has but I'm guessing non as it had the standard pea shooter.

An interesting test would be a run in your car with it's 280bhp and a run in my "classic" running 280ish bhp and see what the times are.

prelude

hi chaps, sorry to hijack the thread, i own a classic turbo and it has a magnex back box and centre de cat will it really be this quick?
Classic : 0-60 - 5.4, 0-100 - 14.6 so 60-100 = 9.1
it does feel rapid and i have driven some quick cars in my time .

Thanks DAN

Pastor

Can only see you getting that 0-60 with those mods if you are brutal with the clutch ie 5K revs.

prelude

yea i know i nicked the figures from earler in the thread , i was just wondering what the 0-60 time is ? thoes figures are from evo magazine,

dan

Jye

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=343388

Thought you had a bugeye? Or was it an M3?

Pastor

You got me, the bugeye was my friends, I only got my 'classic' after he'd got his but couldn't wait to join in. I've never had an M3 but I have had a few E30's and really enjoyed them.

Jye

Soz, must be me then N****

Pastor

what's a n*****

Cosworth427

A 30-70 mph run is far more usable performance stat than any 0-60 test, although some cars can cover 30-70 in 1 gear, and others require a shift.

Oh, just 10 AWhp/tonne difference can make a noticable difference at higher speeds, if they both have the same flywheel horsepower.

Senior_AP

The WRX bugeye was and still is slow. Better car than classic but it's not the point when you buy a Scoob. i went out in a bug-eye and it didn't feel like a scoob should.

Plus, my crappy old Clio 172 did one. lol. "Nicole".

merlin71

Quote - "lol all bollox IMHO

you need a good 50 bhp on a road to make any noticable difference

I have chaced all manor of scoobs round in my 02 wrx, now I couldn't leave a std scoob for dead nor gain much( my car has a few mods 280 ish bhp 280 ish lbs est )

I was watching a car show on tv with a top driver round a track in a bmw m3 and then the m3 csl ... well the exta £20k or what ever it was got an extra second or so a lap

and would you notice this much on the road... emm I think not, a good driver will make that up on the first bend

I bought a scoob because every week I would end up playing with a red wrx round my area and he would alway have a edge to my mini cooper s, now I have one now and Yes I have a edge but I would need 400 ish bhp to really kick ***, but then with all that lag would it hinder b road action

I just think Scoobs aren't quick in a streight line unless u spend a fortune, but they are fun

Rich"

^ Good post, couldnt agree more.

BTW - where has the quote post button gone?