I've got a VTS and I assure they die horribly after 100. If you nail it in 5th at 80/90 it takes an eternity to accelerate, you really have to work the engine to see any serious movement. Redlining it all the way from first upwards gives some impressive results for a little 1600 and I can surprise a lot of people in mine. Especially when it's stone cold. It's really not so good once it's warmed up, bogs down a fair bit in the lower revs. But it's great fun to blast and don't believe the hype that you'll waste one in your beloved twisties, they stick like **** to a blanket and turn in really well. Mind you mine has a few suspension mods, lowered 40mm on bilsteins and 16" OZ's.. The ride is reminiscent of a rollerskate on sh!tty roads but fabulous on some smooth blackstuff. 130+ BHP in a car that does

 

The key thing with a diesel as a few people have mentioned is that bhp means hardly anything - torque is where it's all at, and ultimately you are then dealing with a Mondeo (could be a 2.2 but the chances are it was a standard one) that has an enormous amount of grunt. If it was the 2.2 though, you are talking up to 400Nm of grunt - which equates to nearly 300 lb /ft. Bearing in mind a scoob has about 300Nm of torque, you can clearly see the difference.

Sure other things come into play such as weight of the car, gearing, and the fact that diesels should be driven differently to petrol and use the torque curve (which means changing up a lot sooner), but a Mondeo, in the right gear at the right time will out-drag a scooby by a decent margin.

Too many people think only in bhp and not torque. In the real world, torque is king. As Brian the Snail said - torque is king. In a dash, you would win, but as I say, the right time, the Mondeo's superior torque would definately have the beating of the Scoob....

 

Maybe someone should link this thread to the Clio cup one .......If a scoob can only just pass a diesel mondeo what would it be like against a real car ......lol

 

Cant be bothered to read all the posts here but this must be a wind up...

I've driven a brand new mondeo diesel and whilst they have improved, they dont stand a chance against even my standard uk turbo...

So if this aint a wind up check your exhaust for bananas..

 

Don't think this is a windup at all. Standard Scoobs are not that fast, the turbo's torque delivery makes them feel much faster than they are.

 

If the bloke in the mondeo was playing along with you and was ready to, he would be on boost earlier and if he knows how to get the best out of his TDI then he would have the drop on the scoob until high top speeds come into play.

I have a modified Leggy T and a company Golf 130 gttdi and Ive got to say that bottome end pick up and thrust is so much better. You can make a split second decision in the Golf and go where you need to wait a bit longer with the Sub before all hell breaks lose.

On the boil the Sub will blow the golf into the weeds but the speeds are for the race track and have been carried out on my own private air field.

For everyday use the golf is a better car but not as rewarding or enjoyable especially when on the limit. It wallows around and the traction is pants from the front wheels. It has enough torque to spin in third in the wet and will understear like a bitch until the traction corntrol tries to put you into lift of overstear

The engine is the same as you will be getting in your VRS but the Fabia will be lighter and better balanced.

Nice one.

Dont worry bout the car man, Diesels are the tuning secret thats about about to take off in a big way in this country.

Its a bit like a 16 valve car and comparitive 8 valver in the past. The 8valver would have the legs until the 16valver got up through the rev range and could exploit its torque. Its the Torque and the gearing combined not the Scoob. Its designed for a different purpose.

Ste.

 

I've been looking at scoobynet now for around 4 weeks and joined in last week and honestly I don't why I bothered!

The vast majority of people using it are so Paranoid it's embarrassing!

Total PANTS!!!

At the risk of starting you all off again, how would you feel if you'd bought a £105,000 Farrari only to find a £20,000 car made you ring it's neck to overtake.

Right road, right gear, right driver, and NO complacency!!!

Watch out guys! There's a milk float going down hill with no brakes!!!

I'm off and probably won't be back... LOAD OF ****E!!!

 

nO wOrRiEs MaTeY

If you do happen to come back and read this thread.

100 grand cars can be made to luck slow if the 20 grand car they think they are going to blow away is modified and driven well.

What about the T25 against the Lambo in Evo Mag ??

Oh and is your Milk Float modded or do you drive a Corsa when your mam lets ya.

See ya.

 

Hiya,

>Watch out guys! There's a milk float going down hill with no brakes!!!

Good God, this milkfloat will blow us all into the weeds!!! and will get much better MPG doing it!

Bottom line: The sccoby is a quick car: anything that can do 0-60 in under 6 seconds and do the 30-70 increment in the same time is quick in the real world. It's just that these days, there are a few more cars that have that kind of pace. It ain't a contest people!

Best

 

I think the first sentence of STE.W.'s post (11:27) is the main reason you struggled a bit. When he had clear road ahead and floored it he's gonna be easily 2 seconds up the power curve while you're deciding its safe to overtake. Also how far behind were you when you moved out?

I've driven a std WRX and used to own a MY99:- thats why my MY02 WRX is now MY02 WRX, with PPP!

 

Well said new scooby 04.

 

Worth repeating for page 3. Absolutely right. To get sufficient torque out of my Impreza to pass *anything* "ordinary" with ease took a lot of modification. A standard WRX is quick, no doubt, but vs a torquey diesel it would certainly have to dig into its reserves, as demonstrated here.

 

Thanks Nelson! :-)

Although, I should say that I'm biased: I have a MY99 Turbo. I find it's quick enough to put a grin on my face! :-)

Best.

 

Hi I have a 1.8 endura focus with bluefin producing 125bhp and 225lb ft. At 30-40mph it can move up the speedo pretty quickly and certainly surprises my other car MY97 uk turbo.

Andy

 

I set the guy up on a tight bend which cos of the low hedges means you can see quite a way into the distance - I was already in 2nd and (slowly) accelerating as I went into the bend.

I know the power of diesels as I had a Golf TDI 130 which felt nippy.

Anyone who thinks new diesels are slow are welcome to come for a spin in my wife's vRS - you can also have a look at my tyres if you still think I drive like a girl

This thread isn't a wind up and I'm a little saddened at some of the comments. What I was supposed to get across was that I didn't realise the effort it took in the Scoob to get away from the Mondeo - it's the first time I've gone to overtake a car that was trying (while in the Scoob) which is probably more to the point.

As I pointed out earlier, once I was in front, I dissapeared into the distance as I knew the road and have a vague idea how far I can push the Scoob - thank god Mondeos don't handle as well as they go!

 

I think Mondeos handle just as well as Scoobs, if not better! They don't have the traction, and not quite the lateral grip, but if you gave a Mondeo the same power to weight and similar drivers there would be nothing in it IMHO.

 

So does that prove that I was a better driver

It did seem to wallow quite seriously in the bends?? Maybe the guy was lifting off mid bend or something - it didn't look very stable...

 

I think if it were the ST model then there would be no difference in handling.

The grip is there in the Scoob but over the last 10 years Ford has made good handling cars, the Modeo being one of them.

The ride comfort is more of an issue in the fleet sector where as the sports side would be as good as a Scoob if not better.

Overtaking cars that are pushing on is like being held in a time warp where everything seems to slow down and it take an eternity to carry out the move.

This is where things can go tets up and big head ons occur.

It nearly happened to me some years ago when I had my Sunny GTI, I thought Golf GTI 8V, on paper mine is faster here we go and then, wow where did all my speed go and how long did that take to get past. Surely it cant be slip stream effect It could have been quite nasty and I always have that in the back of mind now as I could have so easily have been a coach grill ornament like those Garfields you see about the place.

About time someone had the nads to post up that there scoob feels slow in the circumstances you described.

Good on ya.

Ste.

Sat back waiting for Milky no brakes to respond

 

Well said John. I think this thread disproves all the nonsense that is sometimes written on this BBS about WR1's vs STI's, or STI Blob vs Bug, etc, etc, etc blowing each other away/being blown away by etc, etc. The power is not that different between these models and therefore the drivers skill (and mood) probably makes more difference than any other factor.

 

If its not raining, damp, muddy, wet leaves, road chippings, melting tar or general pot holes. . . then a good bike will genuinley blow anything into the weeds, the latest bikes make over 150 bhp at (one) wheel and weigh about 165kg!! - however as our good old English roads seam to fit into the afore mentioned conditions, I often feel a tad more secure going for it in the STI than on the RSV.
I do the same B road route on bike and then car and actually if there is not too much traffic to catch up to, the times are very similar.

At road speeds and traffic conditions with two cars really trying its a recipe for trouble, even if one car is in therory much faster / better handling - it just doesnot translate to the road as well as it would on the limits on say a test track.

 

More well-balanced posting thats what I like about Scoobynet.

BTW TelBoy lets see you hit 30000 then!

 

Well you don`t sound like you can drive it right, so it might be an idea to get it checked, eh?.

 

When racing against most decent cars accelerating at high speeds both together your not going to get a great margin in front. My scoob has around 260bhp at the moment, and a couple of months ago on the way to Santa pod i had a tussle with a Audi A6 Tdi(180bhp) on the motorway we was both doing around 70mph and both accelerated at the same time to around 140mph, and to be honest i only pulled about 2/3 car lengths on him. On a Quarter mile or standing start I would have left him for dead, in real world driving conditions accelerating from certain speeds youll find it hard to leave anything decent for dead unless you spend loads of money tuning your car.

you'll see that i have highlighted decent car for dead. ie anything over 130bhp with a bit of poke in it.

 

As I've said in another thread: when it comes to contests on the road; it's often a case of who drives with the least regard for their licence, knows the road best, knows the limits and abilities of their car better.

I don't generally take people on in the Scooby. Why? Well, its simple: put your foot down for more than just a quick burst in a scooby and you'll be at speeds where you could face a ban! That's enough for me to conclude that it's a fast car...... fast enough anyway.

Best.

 

Well said New scooby04! I got my 99 scoob after 10+ yrs with Astra GTE 16V cos I hired a Sierra 4x4 back in 92 and liked the lack of tyre squeal and n/s front wheel spin. I could lose my licence in our shopping car, 99 Micra 1.3 but that spins n/s front worse than Astra did as wife keeps complaining of. The funny thing is I find I pedal the Micra faster than the Scooby sometimes. Sort of more inconspicuous and people don't expect Micras to overtake them.

 

Ford have to cater for all drivers so when they are sorting the drivability they are set up to understeer earlier (at lower speeds), than the chassis's capable of to make your average Joe feel safer...

 

******* spot on.

you will not blow a car that only has 80 odd bhp less than you into the weeds if you are both accelerating hard at the same time. try it with your mates/cars on the road and the length of road you need to catch/pass/pull infront of a car to overtake is actually quite alot.

my mate has a scoob, stduk99 to my tek2ed full decat uk99, about 50odd bhp more?
he lives in milton keynes and we frequently have little dabbles between the many r/bouts. side by side,both in same gear boot it at same time and the length it takes me to pull a clear car length ahead is a shock, if i started a car length behind and tried to simulate an over taking manuever(?) i don't think there would be enough road.

i think too many people have overtaken cars that simply weren't even trying too keep up and think their cars will blow anything on the road away. big accidents coming up methinks

although i'll probably get slated saying my cars fcuked now aswell i suppose

 

So what happens if you have, let's say, 70% of the power to weight ratio of a sports bike (with rider, riding gear, fuel and fluids) when they expect you'll have about 35% .....

.... does the sports bike come past easily or do they skulk back in behind having put the front wheel down again ?

ROTFLOL. Dredging up that old chestnut again

 

Well I've got a bike too, but I'm a crap rider...

 

jesus some of you guys are letting the side down. i have a k reg wrx and it left a 330ci bmw on the b road the other day like it was standing still. seriously you struggled against a mondeo tdi???? those things run out of puff at about 4.5k and the scoob it into its stride by then.

get it tuned mate for ****s sake because your probably driving around in a car paying stupid amounts of insurance and are not getting the full potential of its performance. alterativly get a mondeo tdi and we can all laugh at you...!!!