The 330 probably was standing still - ie not accelerating or racing, or the driver wasn't up for a race, or not as committed as you. A well driven 330 (d or petrol) would keep up fine with most unmodified Scoobs, twisties, straights, even in the wet they are quite quick.

 

330d doesn't keep up on the straights, neither does the 330Ci. They can give you a run for your money but are just not as quick as an Impreza Turbo in my experience. At least a good few car lengths in it.
As far as the bendy bits go that's down to the driver and as I'm not the best I'll admit to being harried by a Pug 205 Gti on a fairly regular basis. We have some great, safe, fun. Surely what it's all about?
Agreed some gung ho drivers on here may get some surprises when they encounter someone actually trying.
Another point what do you regard as "blown into the weeds"- to my mind it's a convincing "win" rather than leeaving someone a spec in the rear view mirror.

 

Pastor, what Impreza are you refering to that will have a 330Ci in the straights and at what speeds?

 

I can only talk from my own experience of modded classic (circa 280bhp) in a few circumstances. IE off the line onto a dual carriageway, upto legal(ish) speeds, I was well in front (ie a good few car lengths) of the Ci.
Don't know about standard UK as I've never owned one.
Only top end run I ever tried wasn't in this country and there wasn't much in it- I stopped at indicated 140mph. Still stayed well ahead of it though.

 

Modded, of course you'll leave the 330. Try with a hefty unmodded bugeye....

 

No thanks! Already tried standard bugeye (drivinbg my mates) V a classic Impreza wagon and got stuffed.
By stuffed I mean it left me for dead (ie 5 or 6 car lengths in a shortish period of time)

 

ahhhh the veritable Banks vs Bike incident then

been there aswell John against a Honda vfr750 from 60 on a motorway he COULDNT believe I was still there at 120+

 

A 330Ci was no match for my classic ;-) A mate in an M3 commented about being shocked about how quick it was.

Best.

 

I'm driving an avensis at the moment as a courtesy car while my scooby is in the bodyshop. Apart from it being a big old barge of a car, it handles pretty well. Surprisngly level through the corners (although its a 'tsport' version)

Way too quiet inside though - I have no idea whether the engine is actually on or not

 

I don't normally enter these sorts of debates, but you've mentioned *exactly* the car i came up across the other day. I'm sorry, but that car, trying REALLY hard, would keep abreast of most Scoobs, including a K reg WRX. You'd need a very tuned Scoob to make it look like it was standing still, if it was REALLY trying. That's just how it is, sorry.

 

I queried my scoob's state of health in the same way some time ago (MY00 + DP + BB + Dawes) but boost gauge reported a nice 17 PSI or so but I over a few days struggled to pull away from BMW 320's, Mondeo TDCis etc on a run home.

However straight line, from rest using all revs not granny start you'll waste most things .. above 30 mph it's a different story .. sure the scoob will do 30-70 quicker than most but the actual gain in distance on a give and take B road i.e. narrow with lots of bends etc is smaller than you think.

To overtake requires a long stretch of road, lets face it if Mondeo-Man gets the power down first out of the bend you'll need a fair stretch to catch up, by that time the next bend may have arrived, I'm sure there not a lot in it under braking (my MY00's were poor-ish) and if set up properly there will be next to nothing in it cornering speed wise.

Where the scoob has it over most cars is being able to get on the gas earlier in bends (you can't he's in front ) and better traction if it's wet (still think the Mondeo won't wheelspin much above 30) so you're advantage is smaller than you think

You're not going to romp away unless your kicking out more than standard. Also standard UK vs Import and again there's not a huge difference.

On the plus side, the UK scoob for the average man (i.e. not John Banks monster stuff) is quick enough and should you happen to be in front and can use all your power/grip advantage I would expect the Mondeo to shrink quite quickly. The new scoob MY03 > can be very quick across country.

It IS a quick car and always has been, the problem is 10 yrs ago the average hot hatch/diesel was slow ... the scoob hasn't moved on significantly (actually backwards in straight line poke) whilst the rest have moved on a lot

Christ, there Civic Type-R's, Focus RS, Seat Leon's, 330i, 330D, 2.5TDi's, bloody Golf TDi's with 190 BHP and 300 lb/ft, new Astra Turbo's, R32's, Octavia RS's, Mondeo ST220's etc etc etc need I go on

Avalyn.

 

My cousin had a 02 STI with the PPP kit until earlier this year when he bought a new M3 and found it matched performance but different delivery - He has now bought a new MR300 and claims it beats both previous . . . I am a new member on this forum but I guess any talk of MR300's etc is a real can of worms. I am seeing him in two weeks to have a drive out and swop cars etc. So will see what's what.

 

Most sensible people here love Evos, they just run Scoobies because they are cheaper to buy and run and a bit less extreme for daily use, or they prefer the sound. Although I think the Spec C and Type 25 are competitive with Evos, possibly the WR1.

 

Paul_ Talk of Evo's is welcome here, we all love a good 4wd car! ;-)

John- Exactly. An Evo is quicker on a track or smooth tarmac (was quite tempted to go for a version 6) but the reality is that they just don't have much appeal as the Scooby for everyday use and become a right handful when the going gets bumpy. As for character, no contest, Scooby wins hands down. The Evo sounds like a Hoover! :-)

I would summarise the two thus: Version for version, the difference in ability is marginal and favours the Evo, but the difference in character and everyday usability is greater and favours the Scooby.

Best

 

I would love to have bought a evo, over MY00 scoob, but as you say the scooby is cheaper to run and service etc, so that made my choice up ,also the insurance for someone who was 20 on a uk scoob is a lot better than the evo.

Oh and Scoobynet is better than MLR!

 

Hmmm have you ever driven a Mondeo TDi? I haven't, but did used to have a Golf GT TDi. I could get that wheel spinning in 3rd (admittedly I had a tuning box)...

 

1) A few split seconds quicker from x-x mph doesnt mean much distance.
2) Getting on the gas first makes a difference as huge as 1 whole second
3) WRX aren't that fast. Sorry, 140 hp at the wheels with 1400 kilos isn't going to worry anything. A 330CI weighs about the same and makes 195+.

 

I don't think that any modern diesel engine is anything to be sniffed at .
I drive a mercedes sprinter 313 cdi (tipper) as part of my job, I think that it has 120 bhp unsure of torque but it doesn't half shift . It weights about 2.2 tons and even with a load on there is no holding her back .

About a month a go I was coming home from a job on a B road that I Know really well. I was sitting at about 60 -70 mph when in my mirrors I saw a civic type r over taking 2 cars then coming in behind me. I thought to my self I wonder if I can hold him off . So the race was on and for a good couple of miles he did'nt even twitch and there was a few over taking places where he could have got me .I knew there was a long straight coming up so the fun was over. I was still travlling at about 75 mph. I gave him a quick indicate that there was nothing coming and away he went but even when he was passing it seemed to take a while and you could hear the lovelly sound of the type r's engine.

I also know that the ford focus tdci is a powerfull engine over 200 lb ft torque.

 

You are right there John. My old MY/00 was far superior for day to day running. Last week did over 600 miles in a week, and the evo used £55.00 of the goodstuff which works out about 23-24 to the gallon, and that was all motorway!! I reckon the scoob would have used far less than that. Course 3500rpm @ 70mph doesn't help!!! But when you plant your right foot mate you soon forget that I still the miss the scoob, and no doubt one day I will have another, but for now this evo is all I want.
dave

 

Orrr Bless

This thread has settled down nicely hasnt it !

I was expecting to come back to the usual Scoobynet blood bath with the usual crap regarding whos car is faster but no everyone seems to be in agreement

Ste.W.