should i buy a wr1
14 October 2004, 10:55 PM
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>aside< if you have the DCCD , does that STILL kill having ABS?? [last time I looked it was 1999 and the choice of having ABS OR a DCCD in Sti v STi type R (not both)]
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Originally Posted by crush her
Buy it, then never log onto to scoobynet ever again, you will think it's great till someone tells you its not
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Originally Posted by Diesel
>aside< if you have the DCCD , does that STILL kill having ABS?? [last time I looked it was 1999 and the choice of having ABS OR a DCCD in Sti v STi type R (not both)]
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question is did evo mag etc ever slag off the p1 or the 22b and did any one ask questions like should I buy a 22b
think not.. I agree with the most its just like the uk300 but still not a bad car just not as good as some of the limmited editions or the evo by all accounts
think not.. I agree with the most its just like the uk300 but still not a bad car just not as good as some of the limmited editions or the evo by all accounts
15 October 2004, 12:12 AM
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Ok try to buy a new STi, then get it painted a different colour, change the colour of the interior add a set of Prodrive PFF7 wheels, add DCCD then get Prodrive to install a special aggressive ECU and PPP kit also Prodrive suspension while they are at it. Then get Subaru to add three years warranty, then tell Subaru you want it to be a limited edition and after all that tell your insurance you only want to pay the same as the standard STi8 you had before....I think the WR1's worth every penny...
Ok you don't want a WR1 get a STi05 and get it PPP'd just be happy but don't knock it till you've tried it!!!
Ok you don't want a WR1 get a STi05 and get it PPP'd just be happy but don't knock it till you've tried it!!!
15 October 2004, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by WRX_Rich
question is did evo mag etc ever slag off the p1 or the 22b and did any one ask questions like should I buy a 22b
think not.. I agree with the most its just like the uk300 but still not a bad car just not as good as some of the limmited editions or the evo by all accounts
think not.. I agree with the most its just like the uk300 but still not a bad car just not as good as some of the limmited editions or the evo by all accounts
LOL!
the REAL question is, "who is stupid enough to buy a car on the basis of someone elses opinion ? "
go drive one and make your own mind up
15 October 2004, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SPEN555
No.
Get a JDM Model.
1. You get electric folding mirrors.
2. Rear Wiper.
3. Latest engine block with them hyper duper pistons (sorry forget what they call it).
4. Twin Scroll Turbo.
5. Red instruments on black background which do a sweep on start up which look cool as ****!
Can't think of other things JDM has over WR1.
Oh, small matter of saving about £4k on JDM vs WR1. So who needs a warranty? It only lasts 3 years anyway. If the JDM blows up you can use the £4k to put towards a 2.5 conversion at Powerstation and have a type25.
Has my MY03 WRX STi JDM 16 months now and in terms of warranty claims....errr none touch wood. Not even had to replace any bulbs yet (he says looking back at his MY00 classic with the sidelights).
p.s. Until IM start providing a good spec as JDM cars then I will always be buying JDM scoobs.
Get a JDM Model.
1. You get electric folding mirrors.
2. Rear Wiper.
3. Latest engine block with them hyper duper pistons (sorry forget what they call it).
4. Twin Scroll Turbo.
5. Red instruments on black background which do a sweep on start up which look cool as ****!
Can't think of other things JDM has over WR1.
Oh, small matter of saving about £4k on JDM vs WR1. So who needs a warranty? It only lasts 3 years anyway. If the JDM blows up you can use the £4k to put towards a 2.5 conversion at Powerstation and have a type25.
Has my MY03 WRX STi JDM 16 months now and in terms of warranty claims....errr none touch wood. Not even had to replace any bulbs yet (he says looking back at his MY00 classic with the sidelights).
p.s. Until IM start providing a good spec as JDM cars then I will always be buying JDM scoobs.
Who needs a warranty anyway????
I for one do a cast iron one which is why I pick my WR1 up today!!!
15 October 2004, 12:36 PM
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Arron,
"Who needs a warranty anyway????
I for one do a cast iron one which is why I pick my WR1 up today!!!"
If that was everybody's feeling then the UK car has got no advantages over a JDM whatsoever that I can see, so why buy it?
"Who needs a warranty anyway????
I for one do a cast iron one which is why I pick my WR1 up today!!!"
If that was everybody's feeling then the UK car has got no advantages over a JDM whatsoever that I can see, so why buy it?
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Originally Posted by SPEN555
Who needs a warranty anyway????
I for one do a cast iron one which is why I pick my WR1 up today!!!
If that was everybody's feeling then the UK car has got no advantages over a JDM whatsoever that I can see, so why buy it?
I for one do a cast iron one which is why I pick my WR1 up today!!!
If that was everybody's feeling then the UK car has got no advantages over a JDM whatsoever that I can see, so why buy it?
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrr OK
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and when youve got it be sure to get yourself over to the WRowners club and sit in a field sowing daisies together singing songs of love.
ie, its a bit sickly sweet over there!!
ie, its a bit sickly sweet over there!!
15 October 2004, 12:55 PM
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Hiya,
Answer: if it's what you want and you can afford it, then go for it mate!
I'd worry about 2 or 3 owner examples in that short space of time. This type of performance car can attract idiots who know full well that they won't be able to keep it long term, so they buy it, thrash it to bits in the short term, don't adhere to the servicing requirements and then just hand them back..
It's worth baring in mind that everyone said the P1 was overpriced relative to the JDM cars when they were launched, there were also quite a few left on the forecourt after the bugeye series was released. Many scoffed that the dealers wouldn't be able to shift them and would be glad to see the back of them etc.... Now look at the premium and respect they command.
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Answer: if it's what you want and you can afford it, then go for it mate!
I'd worry about 2 or 3 owner examples in that short space of time. This type of performance car can attract idiots who know full well that they won't be able to keep it long term, so they buy it, thrash it to bits in the short term, don't adhere to the servicing requirements and then just hand them back..
It's worth baring in mind that everyone said the P1 was overpriced relative to the JDM cars when they were launched, there were also quite a few left on the forecourt after the bugeye series was released. Many scoffed that the dealers wouldn't be able to shift them and would be glad to see the back of them etc.... Now look at the premium and respect they command.
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15 October 2004, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
and when youve got it be sure to get yourself over to the WRowners club and sit in a field sowing daisies together singing songs of love.
ie, its a bit sickly sweet over there!!
ie, its a bit sickly sweet over there!!
That's a bit harsh mate.
15 October 2004, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
and when youve got it be sure to get yourself over to the WRowners club and sit in a field sowing daisies together singing songs of love.
ie, its a bit sickly sweet over there!!
ie, its a bit sickly sweet over there!!
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Having just read through the previous posts it's reassuring to read so much b0ll0x from so many that may have never sat in a WR1 but most likely have never driven the car.
Gangstas WR1 is a quick car and were it not for his untimely accident I would have driven it around Castle Combe but thats another story
The Wr1 is a unique car no doubt about it. If its exclusivity, powerful performance, cast iron warranty, reasonable insurance and a bargain for the mods that have been put on. Now put that package together and you have a real value for money vehicle.IMHO
For me the WR1 is good but I would like to compare it against a T25 and a JDM STi.
I know straight away with the last two cars my insurance will rocket. Which with protected no claims (and age isnt a factor) a bit harsh to say the least.
Theres also no warranty which for some of you isnt an issue but I've had to have a new clutch and a few other minor bits done (thanks Wilsons/IM) which would have hit my wallet. Performance cars have a nasty habit of going bang no matter what people say.
Performance (although I havnt driven a JDM or a T25) I doubt is vastly different accross all three cars.
So IM/ProDrive, if you can produce a JDM spec STi with PPP, lowered ProDrive Suspension, 18" alloys (not gold) twin scroll turbos, additional front mounted intercooler, leather interior, defi guages to include oil temp/pressure, turbo pressure and water temps to be on sale in 18mths time I'm going to be bang up the front of the queue.
I do so want my cake and to eat it.
Gangstas WR1 is a quick car and were it not for his untimely accident I would have driven it around Castle Combe but thats another story
The Wr1 is a unique car no doubt about it. If its exclusivity, powerful performance, cast iron warranty, reasonable insurance and a bargain for the mods that have been put on. Now put that package together and you have a real value for money vehicle.IMHO
For me the WR1 is good but I would like to compare it against a T25 and a JDM STi.
I know straight away with the last two cars my insurance will rocket. Which with protected no claims (and age isnt a factor) a bit harsh to say the least.
Theres also no warranty which for some of you isnt an issue but I've had to have a new clutch and a few other minor bits done (thanks Wilsons/IM) which would have hit my wallet. Performance cars have a nasty habit of going bang no matter what people say.
Performance (although I havnt driven a JDM or a T25) I doubt is vastly different accross all three cars.
So IM/ProDrive, if you can produce a JDM spec STi with PPP, lowered ProDrive Suspension, 18" alloys (not gold) twin scroll turbos, additional front mounted intercooler, leather interior, defi guages to include oil temp/pressure, turbo pressure and water temps to be on sale in 18mths time I'm going to be bang up the front of the queue.
I do so want my cake and to eat it.
15 October 2004, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny B
Don't you think that the WR1 is becoming like the PPP'd UK300?, ie- **** hot when first released and then a few months down the road another model gets released of equal performance and everyone jumps ship.
15 October 2004, 02:33 PM
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lol,
so 2.5 isnt vastly different from 2.0?
you are on another planet.
exclusivity? all subarus are exclusive. The only exclusivity you have is amongst subaru owners. If they are your second hand market I suppose they are worth something.
Personally I would go with an 05sti as it comes in a decent colour at least.
The WR1 is nice, but I still believe like the P1 it was a succesful marketing ploy to **** a lot of cars which subaru couldn't sell.
Why else would they produce it in that colour? to commemorate a victory over good taste?
The wr1 is a great car, but it is no greater than all other subarus which were all performance bargains.
To assume that it is special because it was a special edition is nonsense. It might be special now, but will be nothing to write home about when the next special edition comes out.
it is already going to be lagging behind a ppp equipped 05 sti in terms of track times.
Value wise there is no way I would jump on a sinking ship.
so 2.5 isnt vastly different from 2.0?
you are on another planet.
exclusivity? all subarus are exclusive. The only exclusivity you have is amongst subaru owners. If they are your second hand market I suppose they are worth something.
Personally I would go with an 05sti as it comes in a decent colour at least.
The WR1 is nice, but I still believe like the P1 it was a succesful marketing ploy to **** a lot of cars which subaru couldn't sell.
Why else would they produce it in that colour? to commemorate a victory over good taste?
The wr1 is a great car, but it is no greater than all other subarus which were all performance bargains.
To assume that it is special because it was a special edition is nonsense. It might be special now, but will be nothing to write home about when the next special edition comes out.
it is already going to be lagging behind a ppp equipped 05 sti in terms of track times.
Value wise there is no way I would jump on a sinking ship.
15 October 2004, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
and when youve got it be sure to get yourself over to the WRowners club and sit in a field sowing daisies together singing songs of love.
ie, its a bit sickly sweet over there!!
ie, its a bit sickly sweet over there!!
LOL its great isnt it
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15 October 2004, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam M
lol,
so 2.5 isnt vastly different from 2.0?
you are on another planet.
exclusivity? all subarus are exclusive. The only exclusivity you have is amongst subaru owners. If they are your second hand market I suppose they are worth something.
Personally I would go with an 05sti as it comes in a decent colour at least.
The WR1 is nice, but I still believe like the P1 it was a succesful marketing ploy to **** a lot of cars which subaru couldn't sell.
Why else would they produce it in that colour? to commemorate a victory over good taste?
The wr1 is a great car, but it is no greater than all other subarus which were all performance bargains.
To assume that it is special because it was a special edition is nonsense. It might be special now, but will be nothing to write home about when the next special edition comes out.
it is already going to be lagging behind a ppp equipped 05 sti in terms of track times.
Value wise there is no way I would jump on a sinking ship.
so 2.5 isnt vastly different from 2.0?
you are on another planet.
exclusivity? all subarus are exclusive. The only exclusivity you have is amongst subaru owners. If they are your second hand market I suppose they are worth something.
Personally I would go with an 05sti as it comes in a decent colour at least.
The WR1 is nice, but I still believe like the P1 it was a succesful marketing ploy to **** a lot of cars which subaru couldn't sell.
Why else would they produce it in that colour? to commemorate a victory over good taste?
The wr1 is a great car, but it is no greater than all other subarus which were all performance bargains.
To assume that it is special because it was a special edition is nonsense. It might be special now, but will be nothing to write home about when the next special edition comes out.
it is already going to be lagging behind a ppp equipped 05 sti in terms of track times.
Value wise there is no way I would jump on a sinking ship.
If you don't like them, whether because of the colour, BHP, not the latest model etc, why are you reading this thread and bothering to contribute absolutely nothing?!
I'd love a WR1, if anyone doesn't like theirs I'll do a swap for a WRX 03 PPP?
15 October 2004, 03:31 PM
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I have absolutely no problems with the WR1, superb car.
at the moment, wr1oc is a fledgling site (opinion!) and therefore there isnt the contrasting mix of personalities on there.
coupled with the fact that there is a certain comaraderie (sp.) with everyone ganging up on you guys here.
hence, I made the observation its a bit sickly sweet with hugs and kisses and singing nekkid together in the fields of rye
at the moment, wr1oc is a fledgling site (opinion!) and therefore there isnt the contrasting mix of personalities on there.
coupled with the fact that there is a certain comaraderie (sp.) with everyone ganging up on you guys here.
hence, I made the observation its a bit sickly sweet with hugs and kisses and singing nekkid together in the fields of rye
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the wr1 is not that different from a 04 sti 15bhp,dccd colour and that is it,the p1 was much different to uk models at the time 60bhp 3 door lots of prodrive bits-spoiler/seats all of which you could not get unless you bought an import,the wr1 could have been much better-it still is a good car but i think it should have been a cross between the p1 and the wr1 plus from crossroads although next year's special edition should be interesting.
it says it all when subaru dealers are unable to sell them despite there only being 500 of them!!
martin
it says it all when subaru dealers are unable to sell them despite there only being 500 of them!!
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15 October 2004, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cold Turkey
we had our first tiff the other day ... deleted threads, moans about mods and censorship ... normal scoobynet stuff
but we finished with a nice group hug
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At the time the P1 was announced STI5/6's were around £30k at Park Lane...and they didn't seem that overpriced. When they were finally launched though the grey importers cut their margin and sold them ard £25k... still the P1 was stonking compared to any other UK car.
The same goes for the WR1, witout doubt it was the greatest of UK scoobs when launched...things move on though, and that doesn't make the WR1 any less of a car, but makes it less of a no-brainer at £30k, since the '05 PPP and 18" wheels will cost around the same.
If you like the colour and want 18" wheels it's still a pretty good buy for a UK car...no doubt about it, and was a great buy 5 months ago
Ultimately I want the support of the entire Subaru UK network behind me and any warranty claims I might have..so would always want a UK car. Mostly. Hello Adam.
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The same goes for the WR1, witout doubt it was the greatest of UK scoobs when launched...things move on though, and that doesn't make the WR1 any less of a car, but makes it less of a no-brainer at £30k, since the '05 PPP and 18" wheels will cost around the same.
If you like the colour and want 18" wheels it's still a pretty good buy for a UK car...no doubt about it, and was a great buy 5 months ago
Ultimately I want the support of the entire Subaru UK network behind me and any warranty claims I might have..so would always want a UK car. Mostly. Hello Adam.
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15 October 2004, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam M
The WR1 is nice, but I still believe like the P1 it was a succesful marketing ploy to **** a lot of cars which subaru couldn't sell.
Why else would they produce it in that colour? to commemorate a victory over good taste?
Why else would they produce it in that colour? to commemorate a victory over good taste?
Originally Posted by Adam M
To assume that it is special because it was a special edition is nonsense.
Originally Posted by Adam M
It might be special now, but will be nothing to write home about when the next special edition comes out.
Originally Posted by Adam M
Value wise there is no way I would jump on a sinking ship.
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Originally Posted by Supercue
Having just read through the previous posts it's reassuring to read so much b0ll0x from so many that may have never sat in a WR1 but most likely have never driven the car.
Gangstas WR1 is a quick car and were it not for his untimely accident I would have driven it around Castle Combe but thats another story
The Wr1 is a unique car no doubt about it. If its exclusivity, powerful performance, cast iron warranty, reasonable insurance and a bargain for the mods that have been put on. Now put that package together and you have a real value for money vehicle.IMHO
For me the WR1 is good but I would like to compare it against a T25 and a JDM STi.
I know straight away with the last two cars my insurance will rocket. Which with protected no claims (and age isnt a factor) a bit harsh to say the least.
Theres also no warranty which for some of you isnt an issue but I've had to have a new clutch and a few other minor bits done (thanks Wilsons/IM) which would have hit my wallet. Performance cars have a nasty habit of going bang no matter what people say.
Performance (although I havnt driven a JDM or a T25) I doubt is vastly different accross all three cars.
So IM/ProDrive, if you can produce a JDM spec STi with PPP, lowered ProDrive Suspension, 18" alloys (not gold) twin scroll turbos, additional front mounted intercooler, leather interior, defi guages to include oil temp/pressure, turbo pressure and water temps to be on sale in 18mths time I'm going to be bang up the front of the queue.
I do so want my cake and to eat it.
Gangstas WR1 is a quick car and were it not for his untimely accident I would have driven it around Castle Combe but thats another story
The Wr1 is a unique car no doubt about it. If its exclusivity, powerful performance, cast iron warranty, reasonable insurance and a bargain for the mods that have been put on. Now put that package together and you have a real value for money vehicle.IMHO
For me the WR1 is good but I would like to compare it against a T25 and a JDM STi.
I know straight away with the last two cars my insurance will rocket. Which with protected no claims (and age isnt a factor) a bit harsh to say the least.
Theres also no warranty which for some of you isnt an issue but I've had to have a new clutch and a few other minor bits done (thanks Wilsons/IM) which would have hit my wallet. Performance cars have a nasty habit of going bang no matter what people say.
Performance (although I havnt driven a JDM or a T25) I doubt is vastly different accross all three cars.
So IM/ProDrive, if you can produce a JDM spec STi with PPP, lowered ProDrive Suspension, 18" alloys (not gold) twin scroll turbos, additional front mounted intercooler, leather interior, defi guages to include oil temp/pressure, turbo pressure and water temps to be on sale in 18mths time I'm going to be bang up the front of the queue.
I do so want my cake and to eat it.
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Supercue; the JDM cars and Type 25 we supply do have a warranty (all be it not through Subaru). Also the insurance quotes most people are getting are the same, or with with £150 of the UK STI with PPP One well known insurance company lists the Type 25 and it is rated the same as the STI PPP.
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One well known insurance company lists the Type 25 and it is rated the same as the STI PPP. Iain
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As I was about to order a 04 STI the WR1 came out, I can't remember the numbers but I was going for PPP, 18" wheels and suspension upgrade resulting in a price very similar to the WR1, so the choice was very easy, more power, DCCD, special colour, better residual. I have no doubt it was the best decision.
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Originally Posted by iainlit
Supercue; the JDM cars and Type 25 we supply do have a warranty (all be it not through Subaru). Also the insurance quotes most people are getting are the same, or with with £150 of the UK STI with PPP One well known insurance company lists the Type 25 and it is rated the same as the STI PPP.
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One well known insurance company lists the Type 25 and it is rated the same as the STI PPP. Iain
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.Do you know how the Forester STi compares in insurance costs? We're looking at either the UK 2.5 or the STi as a 2nd car.
Chris