Spoon

You didn't learn much on your course then?

mart360

make progress....

if a lane is open and **** all in it.. use it...


its all about discipline

aka one lane closed due to roadworks..

90% sit like lemmings in the open lane, and get really arsey with the 10% that go down the outside...

All they have to do is use both lanes and filter one on one

oh!! but that goes to rat **** cos Mr male pride takes over...

u know... Cant let that golf get in front of me... rev rev jerk forward sh8T

Mart

pugoetru

I just drove up from wales to glasgow and i just followed a few middle laners but i stayed in the inside lane if you follow them for long enough they WILL eventually realise that they are in the wrong lane

Echo

I was in the passenger seat being driven down to London in a Jag by a French man last week who just sat in the outside lane (lane 3) all the way at a steady 80 and could see all the hassle he was causing but even my prompts failed to get him to move in

pugoetru

yea but he is french they have their own rules

Leslie

Since it is against the law to overtake on the left hand side under normal motoring conditions, it is bound to be unsafe to do so in a fit of frustration or whatever. The person in front will not be expecting to be overtaken on the left and therefore could well move into the left hand lane without looking for someone who is overtaking. If it does happen then if you did overtake like that then you will have no defence against the ensuing charges in court.

People do sit in the middle lane due to lack of confidence and the fact that it does feel safer to them to have a lane on each side. People are also nervous of using the outside lane to overtake because it has been known as the"fast lane" for so many years, they also are nervous to use it to overtake. They dont want to risk getting involved with faster cars even if there is nothing in sight.

There should certainly be compulsory training in motorway use as part of obtaining a driving license. Just like persuading people that drugs and smoking is harmful and not worth the candle, education at an early stage is the best way to get people to understand how to conduct themselves in the best manner on the roads.

Les

Dracoro

So the fact that there's a lane(hard shoulder) to the left of lane 1 is wasted on them then? Personally I think it's just a weak excuse.

Also, given the number of middle lane drivers these days, I think they EXPECT to be undertaken so should look out. I shall re-iterate what I said above, those that appear to be middle lane drivers (you can usually tell) that might pull into lane one without looking are ALSO those that would pull into lane 3 without looking. At least when undertaking you have a potential escape route. Bascially, do so with caution. People have been doing it for years and I'll bet more 'scares' or accidents are caused by people moving to the outside lane without looking and tailgating is a big problem too.

Either have a motorway that follows the rules/highway code or change the system to have a proper fast lane with minimum limits, undertaking allowed etc. And whichever system you have, it needs to be policed else they're all irrelevant.

Incidentally, the undertaking I am referring to is NOT the type illustrated by those ***** in Russia driving the M5 & RS4.

StickyMicky

i undertake

deal with it

unclebuck

You were quite right to cringe. People like that should not be on the roads, full stop. They're a menace to every other road user.

UB

StickyMicky

lol

Abdabz

I do too - hog that middle lane and I will cruise past you on the inside more often than not, waving at you in a way that questions your personal habits.

Alternatively I'll tailgate you flashing my lights... If you dont move I'll overtake you and then cut right across the front of your car while resuming my inside lane position (again using my friendly wave)...

And as above - Deal with it!!! If ya dont like the reaction, dont invoke it in the first place...

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

if they cant drive properly then they shouldnt be allowed a license.

Leslie

Dracoro,

Show me where I said it was not a weak excuse! I was merely pointing out the style of thinking of the hoggers, I did not support it.

There is no way that you can tell what another driver is thinking while he is bumbling along in the middle lane. Its up to you if you want to risk overtaking him on the left, but if he does pull over into you while you are doing it, then while the law remains as it is, the accident will be entirely down to you.

Les

Dracoro

I never said you said it wasn't a weak excuse. I'm I was stating that it's a weak excuse on their part.

Anyway, regardless of whose fault it technically is, a collision may happen so the only way to avoid that is to never overtake anyone but that's not really practical.

In the case of someone driving into you whilst driving faster than them in the inside lane then BOTH drivers would be apportioned blame, not just the undertaker (what's he got to do with it? ed. ) although he may be apportioned more of the blame (e.g. 60%) but that really depends on the circumstances. In other words, both would be technically in the wrong. Would also depend on how deliberate the action of changing lanes was.

Anyway, as previously stated, it all comes down to policing. A well policed m-way will have no middle lane hogs and no need for undertaking.

sparkykev

What about when there's three lanes of traffic, and the inside lane is moving faster than the middle, we don't all slow down to the same speed as those out there, we just cruise past, hoping those in the middle use their mirrors before leaving their lane.
So if i'm traveling nicely at 70 on the inside and come across someone doing say 60 in the middle, is it that wrong to hang back a bit to see if they realise that someone wants to pass and move over, but if they insist on staying put in the middle, just cruise by on the inside.
Why should i have to speed up to say 85 and cross two lanes to join those in the outside just to pass, its not so bad in the car, but the van i use for work takes a fortnight to get from 70 to 80.

03-CTR

you don't need to change lane afaik as you can legally overtake in the slow lane providing the other two lanes are travelling at a slower pace. if the fast lane is travelling as freely as the slow then you have to use that to overtake.

yes it is wrong as you have an opportunity to use the fast lane. personally i wouldn't deem it worth the risk as, for the sake of a simple manouver, you practically eliminate the chance of having a crash at high speed. realistically if you read the road ahead then you'd be in the middle/fast lane well before reaching the middle lane hogger anywasy so it shouldn't be a problem.