Cosworth427

Put foot in mouth, my chavvy friend.

http://www.subaru.co.jp/impreza/wrx/spec/index.html

Cosworth427

Again, Dazza you're confusing off the line traction with acceleration. It's the acceleration that makes you "feel" how quick a car is, how that force is applied to the car. What you're simply doing is gloating about how quick it can cover a distance from a stand still.

A UK STI is bloated by all standards now, and with limited power. I won't refute anyone who says they are disapointed by how fast it feels. I have easily walked on countless lighter weight classic shape Imprezas, with and without passengers on board.

Bubba po

This is a subaru enthusiasts' forum. If you are not enthusiastic about Subarus, then please feel free to **** off.

Cosworth427

Oh, I'm sorry. Maybe I should just make a wankathon thread about detonation, pointless 100 RON ECU remapping and how I can take on F1 cars in the twisties when wet???

Yes???

chris's scooby

You have a lot to learn..





































You forgot to mention heatsoak!

Bubba po

Or perhaps you should **** off and stop trolling on here

Tentenths

... we're still waiting

Cosworth427

Perhaps you should follow your meandering thoughts and eventually get lost?

timday

I agree absolutely. I bought one from Wilsons last March STi 2002 goggle eyed model with PPP supposedly 300bhp. Admittedly Wilsons had not put in super unleaded. I hear memory effect on ECU might have blunted performance as I gather it takes a few tanks of super to get it re-set.
Had tuned up 1996 turbo 2000 before with Pagid discs and brakes and really disappointed as the STi was far slower with lifeless steering, little road feel and excitement and Brembo brakes were not very immediate and i didn't like Recaro seats.
Anyway to cut long story short I smashed the car in Belgium. Written off so decided to try alternative car. Big mistake as Seat Cupra R quite fun but no match for Subaru and dreadful ride.
In desperation decided to test drive ordinary 2004 WRX and pleasantly surprised so bought one second hand with induction kit. Junked induction kit - refitted air filter with green filter, had through exhaust system fitted and had ECU remapped by Pat.
Very pleased with result as bit better performance than my 1996 (had about 255bhp) but much better handling, braking, lights and of course air con and you can hear the engine growl!

Bubba po

**** off

Tentenths

Don't rise to him Bubba - a quick peek at his previous posts shows that the style of his "contribution" to this thread is by no means a one off

Cosworth427

I'm sorry. I shall assume the "contributive" Scooby enthusiast mode.

m8, you should spend a grand like I did on a ecu remap, it will give you 100 BHP proven. I stuck to the back of a BMW M3 (318is with big wheels) Gotta luv those little aye-tech jap engines! It won't overpower the rallye bred chassis neither, I can take roundabouts at 40 MPH now. Luv the spoilar, my car is absolutely MINT. I'm 100% man, in my macho blue saloon me!

crush her

But you have to wear your heavy gold chest chain medallion with your Supra...............night fever!

Cosworth427

Of course, and I still outperform most Imprezas.

crush her

"outperform" what exactly does this mean?

you like to come very quickly?

Supras are driven by old men, with a "small" complex

ukdave

Totally agree mate my mate bought one about 3wk ago,he came round and took me a spin in it and was totally unimpressed with the performance,not saying theyre not a good car but as a classic owner even if i had the money dont think i`d buy one,think id be looking at an evo,sorry chaps(think he took our comments to heart its booked in at tsl this wk for triple 3 conversion)

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

I'll put it in english as i cant be bothered faffing around with installing language packs, and your the only chav on here

http://www.japanvehicles.com/newcars...Specifications

Note that there are actually 3 weights for the STi, my handbook states 1350kg, it states 1370 on here, ill personally go with what subaru put in the handbook though.
Unfortunately you dont seem to know your impreza's very well do you?
Of course they all loose serious ammounts of power though transmission are not capable of outpacing supercars in the mid range and all weigh in at 1470kg (this model acutally weighs in at less than a standard WRX )
So mr cosworth, when you have learnt to stop being a muppet and making a complete fool out of yourself (and of course you must be a chav as you know sweet fa ) come back and see what Subaru actually make that is outside of your narrow vision

Tony

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

How many classic owners have actually owned their classics from new who are now saying that the MY03/4 STi type UK PPP (note the lack of useage of the STi 8 as it doesnt exist)?
I bet virtually none of you?
If you ever drove a classic when new, you would have been totally unimpressed, they were dog slow (i know, i owned one from new), damn most hot hatches had no problems outpacing you
Now given 10k on the clock, it was considerably quicker (including the addition of the PPP), even my new car is still loosening up (and getting quicker )
Drive one with 10k on the clock, you wont want to go back to a classic scoob, that i promise

Tony
MY00 UK turbo PPP to MY03 JDM STi

ukdave

Fair comment mate as mine had 26k on it when i bought it last yr (my/00), i just dont think its unreasonable to expect a certain level of performance from the sti in std form.(probably just me having high expectations)My mates 03 sti`s got 18k on it so should have bin pretty loose really!!

Cosworth427

Wrong again, Tony. What is wrong with you? The site you linked to quotes the STI is 1460 kilos. Only the Spec-C edition is lighter than that. Just like the Subaru Japan site says too.

What's next, you going to claim you have a de-tuned Spec-C?

Since you are old enough to hold a driving license, you must be atleast 17. From this line of logic, you are old enough to understand the adult responsibility to STFU when proven wrong, Tony.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Hey MUPPET
Atleast you now know what i drive
So as its an STi weighing in at 1350kg, only has an STi panel filter and still has a ptw of 230bhp per tonne you can STFU as you dont know sweet FA
Now that you have been completely humiliated due to your lack of knowledge of Subaru's, consider this, Supra, fat lardy car, Impreza, not fat, not lardy (well mines the slim line version ) and very discreet (thats if you have ever seen one in the flesh).
Pictures can be provided on request, which is probably more than we can say about your supra

Tony

ukdave

Ha ha dont let him wind u up tony

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Well supra's are fat lardy cars
Still have an M3 killer of a car (E36 Evo and E46) something the supra aint

Tony

automodellistagt

i thought it was now a concesus that the extra benifits of the newage far outweigh its disadvantages against the classic including jdm spec

chrisp

There maybe a concensus but only with new age owners LOL

260bhp/ton is still pretty useful to have under your right foot

Cosworth427

Then you own a Spec-C not a standard UK or JDM STI. In fact, no one here was talking about the Spec-C until you decided to bring it in, which is irrelevant when the subject isn't about your car.

My car makes around 260 at the wheels @ 11 psi. Which is a whp/weight of 165 per 1000 KG. That's a higher rating than most other Imprezas out there, even the JDM and UK STI cars. I would need 3-4 passengers on board for a standard STI to have a chance, and in my opinion, my car "feels" very slow with that many passengers on board compared to driving the car empty.

What's the topic of this thread? "I'm disapointed with the performance of the STI". I definately agree with that opinion. Having raced a few with and without passengers, and no matter what car you claim to have, it doesn't change the fact that Audi TT levels of performance from most Imprezas just isn't that impressive.

You can't even understand the gist of the thread, who knows FA now, Tony?

donutman

has anyone had any dealings with car planet? they have a jap one i could be interested in. just wondered if they have a good rep.

The_Teg_Man

Hehehehe just read the thread with interest........I think Tony and Cosworth need to have a boxing match to settle their differing points of view!

What I have noticed is that these days there is alot more support of the new age imprezas, I remember a time on here when anything but a classic was a pile of something you found on your shoe.

Like a nice dollop of healthy debate, keeps me entertained!

I'd love a 300 bhp motor of anysort, I guarantee it would be fast enough for me!!

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Of course my car isnt a JDM STi
That just shows you how little you know


Im not
Oh but then my car isnt an STI according to you

You have proven to yourself and many others on here that you actually know sweet fa

Tony

john banks

Cosworth427, a few questions if I may:

1. Do you envisage any problems in comparing AWHP with RWHP from dynos given the usually squashed double contact patch that is arguably artificially sapping power through the front wheels of the AWD car and not the RWD car?

2. Any issues in quoting WHP without reference to the vehicle speed at which it was achieved when gearing and rolling circumference is different and power produced is at different engine speeds?

My impressions are that:

1. AWD vehicles seem to accelerate better than I would expect from their power at wheels (from a dyno) to weight ratio.

2. My personal preference is to accept the loss which I think is overquoted and make up for it in traction, especially when trying to put over 350 WHP (even measured off a dyno) down through four 215 section tyres that cost £80 each which then have a fairly long and happy life. Despite our previous discussions about rearward weight transfer and tyres, I've not yet experienced a RWD car for remotely similar price on similar to stock size tyres and suspension, with a nice road going compromise that can pull out of corners or off the line like the AWD rally reps, in the wet for say low-medium power - say 250 WHP, or in the dry for say medium power - say 350 WHP. Can you suggest one because I would be open minded to try it? I don't feel skilled enough to put 350 WHP through two wheels on a wet road. The claimed silly power Supras I have seen seem to throw away a lot of their power advantage through traction problems? If I switch to a Supra which weighs 20% more and has a 20% larger capacity engine, then what do I gain overall in terms of power band apart from at high speed where the lower losses and extra power help more with drag?

Agree Subarus aren't all that out the box, they cost a lot to modify to good power, but the weight of them and traction can be quite handy IMHO. I'm still struggling to see what I could switch to to perform better as a daily driver.