Brendan Hughes

"It was all going fine until Dickless here turned off the refrigerator."

"Is this true?"

"Yes sir, it's true. This man has no dick."

ajm

If you are 100% sure it was footsteps then why are you asking our opinion? Call the police, you have had an intruder!

If you are NOT 100% sure then investigate the more plausible causes first. Things don't always sound the way you'd expect, especially when you have preconceived ideas, as you clearly have. The way you are poopooing our suggestions makes it look as though you WANT it to be a ghost.

Get some microphones down and tape the noise, or at least go out and investigate. I can't believe you sit there listening to people walking up and down your stairs without going to investigate!

Sorry about the abrupt reply, I just get so frustrated with people. They are always more willing to accept the absurd before the more likely!

ajm

What I am saying is that you havn't really tried to find it! Until you have done all the things I have suggested, and more, you shouldn't even be considering putting it down as "unsolved".

Next time you hear it get your ear to the floor, I mean literally! I want you grovelling around on the floor listening, and the walls too!

Let's get laser accelerometers on the floors and walls, thermometers, electrostatic sensors, piezo electric pressure pads, magnetic field meters, the works!!!

If all that proves there is "no source" to audible sound that can be recorded then forget your ghost we will have to start rewriting the laws of physics!

mj

well I was hoping it was a ghost......

so, to sum up, you either need to ring Johnathon Creek or a CORGI registered plumber.

Maybe get the mrs to look down the stairs through a mirror next time

Level 2 entity, without a salmon.

ajm

Of course.... there could be another reason you are loath to delve too deep.... perhaps the phenonena exist only in your mind! It would be unscientific to rule out mild pyschosis at this early stage! Been under any stress lately?

Brendan Hughes

Well, he has been pestered by some unsympathetic geek on scoobynet, poor chap...

ajm

It can't be that, you've only just turned up!

Sbradley

OK then...

If you really want an opinion then I reckon there are a couple of things you could do.

1) If you believe that it could be something paranormal then I am assured that asking it to go away and explaining that this is your house now and it has to move on is a good idea.

2) Invite your local vicar round for a cuppa on whatever pretext you like and get chatting with him. Give him a guided tour and see if anything happens. If the walls start bleeding or anything like that then I suggest you may have a problem

3) Get used to it, live with it and include it in the seller's details when you move as a feature. Gotta be worth a few grand...

My own beliefs? We bought this house from the surviving (but very ill) half of a gay couple. His office, which was also where his partner stayed until he had to go into hospital, was our daughter's bedroom when we moved in. She was about three at the time.

Several times she came into our room very late at night and said, quite matter of factly, that there was a skeleton in her room. In fact, it became 'the' skeleton rather than 'a' skeleton. She wasn't scared at all, and when I asked her more she said that it smiled at her. On one occasion she woke up cold and the skeleton tucked her in.

The guy we bought from died a few months after we moved in and the skeleton never came back.

Make of that as you will...

SB

Sith

Young minds are untainted, un-cynical and accept what they see and told as matter of fact. Therefore they are meant to be far better at seeing physical manifestations.

Basically their minds are open to any possibility. Not closed blinkered or poke fun at what they don't understand.

Leslie

I don't think anyone understands all the laws of physics or anything else in this existence ajm. We have a good idea of the basics so far and many theories which are based on our limited knowledge, but I think there is a great deal more which we do not fully understand and I bet there are many surprises to come yet.

Les

ajm

Les,

Don't you think it's a bit early in the day for the "keep an open mind" sermons? What we have here is a sound that resembles footsteps (or has been associated with footsteps in the minds of two ghost sympathizers) and a cold room. Next to no effort has been made to find the source(s) yet already we are arguing over keeping open minds to the existence of new physical laws, spirits and perhaps ultimately God!


B2Z,

sorry but you say you don't believe in ghosts yet you hint at some event 2yrs ago that seems to have you placed much closer to believing than me (if there is such a place as almost believing). To my mind that makes you more likely to look for a paranormal explanation than a physical one and I'm afraid that is reflected in the hostility towards my suggestions, which are perfectly sensible suggestions.

1) Children don't see "dead people", they have vivid and uninhibited imaginations. Imaginary friends are not ghosts.

2) Animals are only aware of "things" that we are not due to heightened and additional senses, but there is nothing to suggest the things of which they are aware are anything but normal, physical objects. For example, they can hear things that are too quiet for us to hear, or of a frequency that is outside our audible range yet we can prove the sound exists. There is absolutely nothing unusual about a rabbit thumping due to something that a human cannot see.

To those who see my suggestions as "pestering" or "hassle", perhaps what you really mean is that you see a logical approach as a threat to your beliefs and preconceived ideas, beliefs which you know deep down to be flawed or taken on faith. I would get a very similar reaction if I was challenging someone about their particular chosen religion.

I thought B2Z posted this thread to get an objective and logical perspective, and I did believe, from the first post, that he would accept it if the consequential views were opposing views. But since it seems they constitute "hassle" I will make good my escape from this thread before it turns into an embarrassing mutual ghost story back patting spectacular.

Good luck fighting your demons.

lightning101

We've had some strange goings on as well - in the last 6 years we have moved house 4 times and still have the same milkman.


Wife says she hasn't noticed.

Leslie

To be honest ajm, I don't think there is enough evidence on way or another to say anything else but keep an open mind. Wasn't meant to be a sermon, just my angle on the situation. Neither do I wish to criticise your approach to it since that is as sensible as any other.

Les

Scoobychick

iTrader: (1)

I don't think it's absurd to consider that there are things that exist on this planet that can't be proved by science, physics, ajm , whatever. There is probably a lot going on in this world that we don't know about and is outside of the realms of our imagination to even consider. As Leslie says there are almost certainly a lot of things we don't know and a lot of surprises yet to come.

A lifelong good friend of mine is a Medium, he certainly believes in this kind of stuff AND for all you sceptics he doesn't make any money out of it as he believes it's ethically not right for him to do so, he sees it as a gift. He's not a nutter or loono either, he's a nurse!

B2Z, w69, have you thought about contacting someone at your local spiritualist church? I believe it's worth covering every angle

Keep an open mind I say..

Sith

There's a chance ajm could be wrong? Naaaaah, surely not.

Buzzer

ajm, however he has presented it has given what i would say as the very first step (parden the pun) into discounting various reasons for the sound

In whatever form, it must be recorded to enable physical proof of what the noise is. I imagine not everyone could afford the equipment ajm suggests but it must be said that at least *some* attempt must be made to gain evidence.

However i agree that shoes on a plain timber staircase does have a distinctive sound.

Just a few thoughts Bob can you tell us the construction of the house ie

1. How old?

2. Concrete floor or suspended timber floor?

3. basement?

4. detached or semi or whatever?

The reason i ask is that my Auntie some years ago moved into a house where she had heard loud bangs and cracks in the night. It turned out the stair post ran the full height of the house into a suspended timber floor. It was that long and pinned back to joists that the nails holding the post had worn large holes in the timber through expansion, thus making crack type noises when the timber contracted and expanded. The bangs "they thought" came from the nails springing back into place due to the same scenario.

The difference from the base to the eaves level of the post must of been rediculous hence all sorts of noises

I'm not saying this is anything to do with your noises but as ajm says in a roundabout way is, when you have discounted all possible explanations, you will be left with, however improbable, the answer

Chris L

I've always been quite open minded about such things. I've never experienced anything really extreme myself, so I can't say for any certainty if this is for real or not. What I do know from many chats with Sal, is that there is more going on than we are normally aware of. It is a foolish person who dismisses such things out-of-hand. Some people are more naturally tuned into these things - you might be surprised what you find out if you ask the right people. Don't ignore it if you're not happy!

Mice_Elf

With regards to the rabbits, I'm afraid that it IS just animals being animals. Mine do the same thing at night sometimes.

We'd hear them suddenly start thumping away and look outside to see absolutely nothing. They're probably just winding each other up and not having enough space. For us, it's always the 2 in the smaller hutch that thump as opposed to the 2 in the larger hutch.

During the day, they're fine as they are in a huge run.

ajm

So B2Z.... are you in a position to prove to us the existence of ghosts in your house yet, or are you still at the "I don't believe in ghosts but I am going to systematically pooh-pooh every rational suggestion made to me" stage?

LOL

weapon69

Does ajm not want to be your friend anymore?

ajm

Look at him go!

I know it was indulgent, but I couldn't resist. I am in a mischievous mood today!

Sorry B2Z

mj

B2Z - do you still hear the noises?

interesting thread, despite the tittle tattle

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

It seems that the simple solution is to either put carpet down in the hall thus deadening the footsteps or sleep with ear plugs in

Anyway B2Z what was the outcome considering the last post was last october??