Things that go bump in the night...
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Originally Posted by **************
Oh and just to reiterate to ajm, the noise I first heard was distinctive footsteps, NOT creaking floorboards. Hearing feet walking down uncarpeted stairs is a very clear sound, not something you would confuse with creaky floorboards.
If you are NOT 100% sure then investigate the more plausible causes first. Things don't always sound the way you'd expect, especially when you have preconceived ideas, as you clearly have. The way you are poopooing our suggestions makes it look as though you WANT it to be a ghost.
Get some microphones down and tape the noise, or at least go out and investigate. I can't believe you sit there listening to people walking up and down your stairs without going to investigate!
Sorry about the abrupt reply, I just get so frustrated with people. They are always more willing to accept the absurd before the more likely!
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ajm I don't believe it can be a "ghost" what ever one of those is, but I can find no answer as to what makes the eaxct sound of footsteps walking down wooden steps!
As for not getting up, the Mrs has repeatedly got up in the night to go and investigate what she has heard and sees nothing. I only heard the footsteps once, and I got out of bed and went and got ready for work as I had been woken up.
Its nothing to do with poopooing peoples ideas, its a case of trying to explain to you creaky floorboards and distinctive footstep noises are a mile apart in similarity
I'm not willing to accept the absurd at all, I just have an unanswerable question currently and knowing how vivid/clear the noise was then there doesn't seem to be any plausable explanation.
I perfectly understand your attitude, I was the same up until a couple of years ago regarding this sort of thing. It was expected when I wrote the post. Unfortunately you are only going to know what I heard if you had been here at the time, and no I am not prepared for you to come round and sit in my landing one night ajm to see if you can hear it!
As for not getting up, the Mrs has repeatedly got up in the night to go and investigate what she has heard and sees nothing. I only heard the footsteps once, and I got out of bed and went and got ready for work as I had been woken up.
Its nothing to do with poopooing peoples ideas, its a case of trying to explain to you creaky floorboards and distinctive footstep noises are a mile apart in similarity
I'm not willing to accept the absurd at all, I just have an unanswerable question currently and knowing how vivid/clear the noise was then there doesn't seem to be any plausable explanation.
I perfectly understand your attitude, I was the same up until a couple of years ago regarding this sort of thing. It was expected when I wrote the post. Unfortunately you are only going to know what I heard if you had been here at the time, and no I am not prepared for you to come round and sit in my landing one night ajm to see if you can hear it!
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Originally Posted by **************
I can find no answer as to what makes the eaxct sound of footsteps walking down wooden steps!
Next time you hear it get your ear to the floor, I mean literally! I want you grovelling around on the floor listening, and the walls too!
Let's get laser accelerometers on the floors and walls, thermometers, electrostatic sensors, piezo electric pressure pads, magnetic field meters, the works!!!
If all that proves there is "no source" to audible sound that can be recorded then forget your ghost we will have to start rewriting the laws of physics!
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well I was hoping it was a ghost......
so, to sum up, you either need to ring Johnathon Creek or a CORGI registered plumber.
Maybe get the mrs to look down the stairs through a mirror next time
Level 2 entity, without a salmon.
so, to sum up, you either need to ring Johnathon Creek or a CORGI registered plumber.
Maybe get the mrs to look down the stairs through a mirror next time
Level 2 entity, without a salmon.
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Of course.... there could be another reason you are loath to delve too deep.... perhaps the phenonena exist only in your mind! It would be unscientific to rule out mild pyschosis at this early stage! Been under any stress lately?
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Well, he has been pestered by some unsympathetic geek on scoobynet, poor chap...
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OK then...
If you really want an opinion then I reckon there are a couple of things you could do.
1) If you believe that it could be something paranormal then I am assured that asking it to go away and explaining that this is your house now and it has to move on is a good idea.
2) Invite your local vicar round for a cuppa on whatever pretext you like and get chatting with him. Give him a guided tour and see if anything happens. If the walls start bleeding or anything like that then I suggest you may have a problem
3) Get used to it, live with it and include it in the seller's details when you move as a feature. Gotta be worth a few grand...
My own beliefs? We bought this house from the surviving (but very ill) half of a gay couple. His office, which was also where his partner stayed until he had to go into hospital, was our daughter's bedroom when we moved in. She was about three at the time.
Several times she came into our room very late at night and said, quite matter of factly, that there was a skeleton in her room. In fact, it became 'the' skeleton rather than 'a' skeleton. She wasn't scared at all, and when I asked her more she said that it smiled at her. On one occasion she woke up cold and the skeleton tucked her in.
The guy we bought from died a few months after we moved in and the skeleton never came back.
Make of that as you will...
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If you really want an opinion then I reckon there are a couple of things you could do.
1) If you believe that it could be something paranormal then I am assured that asking it to go away and explaining that this is your house now and it has to move on is a good idea.
2) Invite your local vicar round for a cuppa on whatever pretext you like and get chatting with him. Give him a guided tour and see if anything happens. If the walls start bleeding or anything like that then I suggest you may have a problem
3) Get used to it, live with it and include it in the seller's details when you move as a feature. Gotta be worth a few grand...
My own beliefs? We bought this house from the surviving (but very ill) half of a gay couple. His office, which was also where his partner stayed until he had to go into hospital, was our daughter's bedroom when we moved in. She was about three at the time.
Several times she came into our room very late at night and said, quite matter of factly, that there was a skeleton in her room. In fact, it became 'the' skeleton rather than 'a' skeleton. She wasn't scared at all, and when I asked her more she said that it smiled at her. On one occasion she woke up cold and the skeleton tucked her in.
The guy we bought from died a few months after we moved in and the skeleton never came back.
Make of that as you will...
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Young minds are untainted, un-cynical and accept what they see and told as matter of fact. Therefore they are meant to be far better at seeing physical manifestations.
Basically their minds are open to any possibility. Not closed blinkered or poke fun at what they don't understand.
Basically their minds are open to any possibility. Not closed blinkered or poke fun at what they don't understand.
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I don't think anyone understands all the laws of physics or anything else in this existence ajm. We have a good idea of the basics so far and many theories which are based on our limited knowledge, but I think there is a great deal more which we do not fully understand and I bet there are many surprises to come yet.
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LOL Simon i'm not sure putting it on the house particulars any time in the future when selling up would be a good idea and we've just decorated so I don't fancy blood all over the new paintwork Also if you read the paranormal sites, asking an entity to leave can be very dangerous allegedly if you do it in the wrong manner, not that thats what puts me off, I just don't want to be caught speaking to thin air
As for kids seeing things yes its very strange. Have just deleted what I originally wrote in this post as its just not worth the hassle but yes I definately believe kids can see stuff we can't for very good reasons. I also believe animals can see stuff we don't.
Whether it can all be put down to abnomal/increased electrical activity (just like the Northern Lights on a huge scale for example) I don't know but something happens to make unexplainable events happen.
As for kids seeing things yes its very strange. Have just deleted what I originally wrote in this post as its just not worth the hassle but yes I definately believe kids can see stuff we can't for very good reasons. I also believe animals can see stuff we don't.
Whether it can all be put down to abnomal/increased electrical activity (just like the Northern Lights on a huge scale for example) I don't know but something happens to make unexplainable events happen.
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Les,
Don't you think it's a bit early in the day for the "keep an open mind" sermons? What we have here is a sound that resembles footsteps (or has been associated with footsteps in the minds of two ghost sympathizers) and a cold room. Next to no effort has been made to find the source(s) yet already we are arguing over keeping open minds to the existence of new physical laws, spirits and perhaps ultimately God!
B2Z,
sorry but you say you don't believe in ghosts yet you hint at some event 2yrs ago that seems to have you placed much closer to believing than me (if there is such a place as almost believing). To my mind that makes you more likely to look for a paranormal explanation than a physical one and I'm afraid that is reflected in the hostility towards my suggestions, which are perfectly sensible suggestions.
1) Children don't see "dead people", they have vivid and uninhibited imaginations. Imaginary friends are not ghosts.
2) Animals are only aware of "things" that we are not due to heightened and additional senses, but there is nothing to suggest the things of which they are aware are anything but normal, physical objects. For example, they can hear things that are too quiet for us to hear, or of a frequency that is outside our audible range yet we can prove the sound exists. There is absolutely nothing unusual about a rabbit thumping due to something that a human cannot see.
To those who see my suggestions as "pestering" or "hassle", perhaps what you really mean is that you see a logical approach as a threat to your beliefs and preconceived ideas, beliefs which you know deep down to be flawed or taken on faith. I would get a very similar reaction if I was challenging someone about their particular chosen religion.
I thought B2Z posted this thread to get an objective and logical perspective, and I did believe, from the first post, that he would accept it if the consequential views were opposing views. But since it seems they constitute "hassle" I will make good my escape from this thread before it turns into an embarrassing mutual ghost story back patting spectacular.
Good luck fighting your demons.
Don't you think it's a bit early in the day for the "keep an open mind" sermons? What we have here is a sound that resembles footsteps (or has been associated with footsteps in the minds of two ghost sympathizers) and a cold room. Next to no effort has been made to find the source(s) yet already we are arguing over keeping open minds to the existence of new physical laws, spirits and perhaps ultimately God!
B2Z,
sorry but you say you don't believe in ghosts yet you hint at some event 2yrs ago that seems to have you placed much closer to believing than me (if there is such a place as almost believing). To my mind that makes you more likely to look for a paranormal explanation than a physical one and I'm afraid that is reflected in the hostility towards my suggestions, which are perfectly sensible suggestions.
1) Children don't see "dead people", they have vivid and uninhibited imaginations. Imaginary friends are not ghosts.
2) Animals are only aware of "things" that we are not due to heightened and additional senses, but there is nothing to suggest the things of which they are aware are anything but normal, physical objects. For example, they can hear things that are too quiet for us to hear, or of a frequency that is outside our audible range yet we can prove the sound exists. There is absolutely nothing unusual about a rabbit thumping due to something that a human cannot see.
To those who see my suggestions as "pestering" or "hassle", perhaps what you really mean is that you see a logical approach as a threat to your beliefs and preconceived ideas, beliefs which you know deep down to be flawed or taken on faith. I would get a very similar reaction if I was challenging someone about their particular chosen religion.
I thought B2Z posted this thread to get an objective and logical perspective, and I did believe, from the first post, that he would accept it if the consequential views were opposing views. But since it seems they constitute "hassle" I will make good my escape from this thread before it turns into an embarrassing mutual ghost story back patting spectacular.
Good luck fighting your demons.
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We've had some strange goings on as well - in the last 6 years we have moved house 4 times and still have the same milkman.
Wife says she hasn't noticed.
Wife says she hasn't noticed.
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To be honest ajm, I don't think there is enough evidence on way or another to say anything else but keep an open mind. Wasn't meant to be a sermon, just my angle on the situation. Neither do I wish to criticise your approach to it since that is as sensible as any other.
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I think its more a case ajm has to be right and everyone else who doesn't take every word he says as gospel has to be wrong
You assumed what I had heard from your replies were creaking floor boards. That is not what I heard as if it had been I would have immediately put it down to central heating/water pipes etc. However because I told you thats not what I heard then you accuse me of not wanting to listen to you. I think you are the one who needs to listen and understand what I wrote/tried to explain and that its not possible to put it down to water pipes etc as the stairs were completely bare steps at the time with nothing like pipes anywhere near them. Try walking down some bare wooden steps sometime with shoes on and then come back and tell me what else sounds similar!
I am more than happy for this thread to be locked/deleted etc as its pointless arguing, pretty much what I expected unfortunatley.
You assumed what I had heard from your replies were creaking floor boards. That is not what I heard as if it had been I would have immediately put it down to central heating/water pipes etc. However because I told you thats not what I heard then you accuse me of not wanting to listen to you. I think you are the one who needs to listen and understand what I wrote/tried to explain and that its not possible to put it down to water pipes etc as the stairs were completely bare steps at the time with nothing like pipes anywhere near them. Try walking down some bare wooden steps sometime with shoes on and then come back and tell me what else sounds similar!
I am more than happy for this thread to be locked/deleted etc as its pointless arguing, pretty much what I expected unfortunatley.
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I don't think it's absurd to consider that there are things that exist on this planet that can't be proved by science, physics, ajm , whatever. There is probably a lot going on in this world that we don't know about and is outside of the realms of our imagination to even consider. As Leslie says there are almost certainly a lot of things we don't know and a lot of surprises yet to come.
A lifelong good friend of mine is a Medium, he certainly believes in this kind of stuff AND for all you sceptics he doesn't make any money out of it as he believes it's ethically not right for him to do so, he sees it as a gift. He's not a nutter or loono either, he's a nurse!
B2Z, w69, have you thought about contacting someone at your local spiritualist church? I believe it's worth covering every angle
Keep an open mind I say..
A lifelong good friend of mine is a Medium, he certainly believes in this kind of stuff AND for all you sceptics he doesn't make any money out of it as he believes it's ethically not right for him to do so, he sees it as a gift. He's not a nutter or loono either, he's a nurse!
B2Z, w69, have you thought about contacting someone at your local spiritualist church? I believe it's worth covering every angle
Keep an open mind I say..
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ajm, however he has presented it has given what i would say as the very first step (parden the pun) into discounting various reasons for the sound
In whatever form, it must be recorded to enable physical proof of what the noise is. I imagine not everyone could afford the equipment ajm suggests but it must be said that at least *some* attempt must be made to gain evidence.
However i agree that shoes on a plain timber staircase does have a distinctive sound.
Just a few thoughts Bob can you tell us the construction of the house ie
1. How old?
2. Concrete floor or suspended timber floor?
3. basement?
4. detached or semi or whatever?
The reason i ask is that my Auntie some years ago moved into a house where she had heard loud bangs and cracks in the night. It turned out the stair post ran the full height of the house into a suspended timber floor. It was that long and pinned back to joists that the nails holding the post had worn large holes in the timber through expansion, thus making crack type noises when the timber contracted and expanded. The bangs "they thought" came from the nails springing back into place due to the same scenario.
The difference from the base to the eaves level of the post must of been rediculous hence all sorts of noises
I'm not saying this is anything to do with your noises but as ajm says in a roundabout way is, when you have discounted all possible explanations, you will be left with, however improbable, the answer
In whatever form, it must be recorded to enable physical proof of what the noise is. I imagine not everyone could afford the equipment ajm suggests but it must be said that at least *some* attempt must be made to gain evidence.
However i agree that shoes on a plain timber staircase does have a distinctive sound.
Just a few thoughts Bob can you tell us the construction of the house ie
1. How old?
2. Concrete floor or suspended timber floor?
3. basement?
4. detached or semi or whatever?
The reason i ask is that my Auntie some years ago moved into a house where she had heard loud bangs and cracks in the night. It turned out the stair post ran the full height of the house into a suspended timber floor. It was that long and pinned back to joists that the nails holding the post had worn large holes in the timber through expansion, thus making crack type noises when the timber contracted and expanded. The bangs "they thought" came from the nails springing back into place due to the same scenario.
The difference from the base to the eaves level of the post must of been rediculous hence all sorts of noises
I'm not saying this is anything to do with your noises but as ajm says in a roundabout way is, when you have discounted all possible explanations, you will be left with, however improbable, the answer
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I've always been quite open minded about such things. I've never experienced anything really extreme myself, so I can't say for any certainty if this is for real or not. What I do know from many chats with Sal, is that there is more going on than we are normally aware of. It is a foolish person who dismisses such things out-of-hand. Some people are more naturally tuned into these things - you might be surprised what you find out if you ask the right people. Don't ignore it if you're not happy!
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With regards to the rabbits, I'm afraid that it IS just animals being animals. Mine do the same thing at night sometimes.
We'd hear them suddenly start thumping away and look outside to see absolutely nothing. They're probably just winding each other up and not having enough space. For us, it's always the 2 in the smaller hutch that thump as opposed to the 2 in the larger hutch.
During the day, they're fine as they are in a huge run.
We'd hear them suddenly start thumping away and look outside to see absolutely nothing. They're probably just winding each other up and not having enough space. For us, it's always the 2 in the smaller hutch that thump as opposed to the 2 in the larger hutch.
During the day, they're fine as they are in a huge run.
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So B2Z.... are you in a position to prove to us the existence of ghosts in your house yet, or are you still at the "I don't believe in ghosts but I am going to systematically pooh-pooh every rational suggestion made to me" stage?
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I never said there was ajm, I just said there were noises that were not explainable. Your suggestions were made on assumptions/generalisations, without knowing the 'normal' noises in a house such as the pipes due to central heating etc then you can not make accurate assumptions, merely guess at what it might be. I 'pooh poohed' your suggestions simply because they didn't match up to what was normal for my house.
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mj no not heard the footsteps again as the stairs were carpeted back over shortly after I started this thread. As for other noises yes they occasionally happen but nothing that has bothered us to the point where we go looking for whats causing it anymore. When we both hear them we look at each other and then just ignore them. The footsteps were the one thing that I just could not get my head around, especially as it happened the first night after the carpet being taken up, but no nights following while the carpet was still up.
W69 did tell me about something that happened which matched up with something my eldest boy talked to me about which was quite strange, but i'm not going into that as its just not worth the hassle lol
ajm you go ahead and be mischievious, I just can't resist an argument
W69 did tell me about something that happened which matched up with something my eldest boy talked to me about which was quite strange, but i'm not going into that as its just not worth the hassle lol
ajm you go ahead and be mischievious, I just can't resist an argument
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It seems that the simple solution is to either put carpet down in the hall thus deadening the footsteps or sleep with ear plugs in
Anyway B2Z what was the outcome considering the last post was last october??
Anyway B2Z what was the outcome considering the last post was last october??