Smoking to be banned in England
#91
Originally Posted by Jerome
I think many people have missed the fact that this proposal is to ban smoking in bars (as well as other places) that sell prepared food - not all pubs. At least then smokers and non-smokers, not to mention the landlords themselves, have a choice.
I am quite happy about smoking being banned from just about anywhere in public except dedicated sections of bars.
I am quite happy about smoking being banned from just about anywhere in public except dedicated sections of bars.
Who knows, some sharp people out there may decide to stop doing food to allow smoking, but this will only happen in town centre pubs.
Smoking has already been banned within the work place apart from set designated rooms. Why ban those rooms now? Smoking rooms have been put in place to allow people to smoke in those rooms. If you are a non-smoker and don’t like smoke you do not go in there. Why ban them?
#92
Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Alcohol only (from a health point of view) affects the person consuming it, cigarettes on the other hand is the single most vile/anti-social thing one can do in public.
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
Alcohol affects masses of people. Anti social behavour, voilence direct outside pubs / clubs, voilence but at the home, drink driving being drunk at work the following day etc, etc, etc. It does not just affect the person drinking it from a health point of view.
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
But they weren't legal in the first place. You can't miss what you never had.
the govt can do what they like with regards to making things illegal. right now they're planning on making lots of sports supplements illegal too.
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
Alcohol affects masses of people. Anti social behavour, voilence direct outside pubs / clubs, voilence but at the home, drink driving being drunk at work the following day etc, etc, etc. It does not just affect the person drinking it from a health point of view.
Currently you can smoke, hurt other people and it's totaly legal. Legislation is the way forward but the proposals don't go far enough.
If you got drunk and punched a barstaff you would be arrested, however ther is still scope in the new laws to breath smoke into barstaffs face. The effect f the smoke is not as instant as the punch but over time the end result could be far worse.
Lee
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Originally Posted by logiclee
Most of the above is illegal, do them and you hurt other people and are breaking the law.
Currently you can smoke, hurt other people and it's totaly legal. Legislation is the way forward but the proposals don't go far enough.
If you got drunk and punched a barstaff you would be arrested, however ther is still scope in the new laws to breath smoke into barstaffs face. The effect f the smoke is not as instant as the punch but over time the end result could be far worse.
Lee
Currently you can smoke, hurt other people and it's totaly legal. Legislation is the way forward but the proposals don't go far enough.
If you got drunk and punched a barstaff you would be arrested, however ther is still scope in the new laws to breath smoke into barstaffs face. The effect f the smoke is not as instant as the punch but over time the end result could be far worse.
Lee
I would be so bold to say that there are probably more victims of drink related incidents then there are cancer victims caused by passive smoking.
#97
Originally Posted by Dracoro
The ban (however lightly enforced) for this is already in place. It's illegal to sell alcohol in pubs/clubs to someone who is drunk, I kid you not.
Also, it is actually illegal to be intoxicated in a public place.
BTW- Baning smoking, im all for it. Disgusting in every way IMO.
#98
Originally Posted by Buckrogers
Alcohol affects masses of people. Anti social behavour, voilence direct outside pubs / clubs, voilence but at the home, drink driving being drunk at work the following day etc, etc, etc. It does not just affect the person drinking it from a health point of view.
These are all indirect issues.
Unlike smoking, I'm not forced to drink someone elses beer after they've spat it out.
#99
Originally Posted by Senior_AP
These are all indirect issues.
Unlike smoking, I'm not forced to drink someone elses beer after they've spat it out.
Unlike smoking, I'm not forced to drink someone elses beer after they've spat it out.
There are already non-smoking pubs, few, but there are. If they are so in demand why are there not more?
I am saying that you or anyone else is more likely to be affected, health wise, by an indirect drink related incident than by getting cancer as a result of passive smoking.
#101
Originally Posted by Buckrogers
You are not forced.
There are already non-smoking pubs, few, but there are. If they are so in demand why are there not more?
I am saying that you or anyone else is more likely to be affected, health wise, by an indirect drink related incident than by getting cancer as a result of passive smoking.
There are already non-smoking pubs, few, but there are. If they are so in demand why are there not more?
I am saying that you or anyone else is more likely to be affected, health wise, by an indirect drink related incident than by getting cancer as a result of passive smoking.
Perhaps - but we gotta start somewhere.
#102
I think the most important thing is that people should be in no doubt abouit the dangers of smoking both to the smoker and the person breathing in old smoke.
Maybe if there was a concerted effort to educate young chidren at school before they even get a chance to start, that might make a significant difference. And it might also stop those who have already started at a ridiculously young age. The road safety education that schools and other organisations used to give in the past made a big difference to the way children behaved at the roadside, maybe it might discourage them to try drugs and smoking if they were given the real facts and how nasty the eventual results can be.
I personally thing it is a duty for our educators to do this sort of thing, especially since so many parents can't be bothered now.
Les
Maybe if there was a concerted effort to educate young chidren at school before they even get a chance to start, that might make a significant difference. And it might also stop those who have already started at a ridiculously young age. The road safety education that schools and other organisations used to give in the past made a big difference to the way children behaved at the roadside, maybe it might discourage them to try drugs and smoking if they were given the real facts and how nasty the eventual results can be.
I personally thing it is a duty for our educators to do this sort of thing, especially since so many parents can't be bothered now.
Les
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But that's down to the gov't to implement, not the educators, and as said the gov't like the smoking revenue too much, so they would prefer children to start smoking in all honesty, hence why you never see huge no smoking campaigns in school.
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If they ban smoking ,how could you possibly police it.In a club for eg are they
gonna have 50 doormen?In a pub are they gonna employ people to watch to see if people smoke?It will never work ,and yes i smoke but if some one does not like it they can move,why should I.Its your choice to be in a pub/club if you dont like smoke dont go,its easy really
gonna have 50 doormen?In a pub are they gonna employ people to watch to see if people smoke?It will never work ,and yes i smoke but if some one does not like it they can move,why should I.Its your choice to be in a pub/club if you dont like smoke dont go,its easy really
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Originally Posted by m18use
Sorry was that difficult for you?
Yes - in fact impossible to digest that.
"if you don't like farts, stay at home".
I'll fart in your vicinity then walk away???
Selfish??
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Originally Posted by m18use
and yes i smoke but if some one does not like it they can move,why should I.Its your choice to be in a pub/club if you dont like smoke dont go,its easy really
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Originally Posted by davegtt
That is the most ignorant thing Ive ever read on scoobynet. numnutts, if you want to smoke yourself into an early death fine by me, fine by alot of people but dont enforce it upon other people its your choice to smoke if your gonna take up that choice at least have some manners
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Originally Posted by davegtt
That is the most ignorant thing Ive ever read on scoobynet. numnutts, if you want to smoke yourself into an early death fine by me, fine by alot of people but dont enforce it upon other people its your choice to smoke if your gonna take up that choice at least have some manners
Do you really think banning smokin is gonna make everyone live to be a 100,no i dont think so.everybody gives up smokin,where is the money gonna come from?would you be happy if tax was 50% because no one smokes
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Originally Posted by m18use
If they ban smoking ,how could you possibly police it.In a club for eg are they
gonna have 50 doormen?In a pub are they gonna employ people to watch to see if people smoke?It will never work
gonna have 50 doormen?In a pub are they gonna employ people to watch to see if people smoke?It will never work
Originally Posted by m18use
and yes i smoke but if some one does not like it they can move,why should I.Its your choice to be in a pub/club if you dont like smoke dont go,its easy really
I used to smoke, but I would never have smoked around people who didn't, It was my problem, not theirs so I went offside for a smoke.
I hated people smoking around me when I was eating, and probably hate it even more now.
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its not about whether Im gonna live longer now people are not smoking around me. My life would be happier if I could enjoy a night out or even something simple like a game of snooker on a wednesday night without smelling the disgusting habit of others. waking up in the morning stinking of ****, u woke up to a woman after a night on the raz and smelt her hair? its disgusting. she doesnt smoke, neither do I so why should I stink of you?
People are still gonna smoke, there isnt a total ban, Im not asking for a total ban.
People are still gonna smoke, there isnt a total ban, Im not asking for a total ban.
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Originally Posted by m18use
Lol ,do you really think im ignorant ? do i give a toss ........no
Do you really think banning smokin is gonna make everyone live to be a 100,no i dont think so.everybody gives up smokin,where is the money gonna come from?would you be happy if tax was 50% because no one smokes
Do you really think banning smokin is gonna make everyone live to be a 100,no i dont think so.everybody gives up smokin,where is the money gonna come from?would you be happy if tax was 50% because no one smokes
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Its a shame we never vote with our feet in this country, like the French do.
Instead of waiting for the gov't idiots to ban smoking, if all those people that dont like smokey pubs/bars never went in them, and "boycotted" those establishments, then they would soon go out of business and have to ban smoking in their bar/pub, as according to Senior and the likes "most people dont like smoking", so they would lose business because only the small minority of smokers would visit them.
If a ban on smoking was that important to people, then there would be protests to enforce it, but I never see anyone outside my local with a "ban smoking" sign.
I just wish they would make it illegal, would be easier to give up then, everyone would be healthier and the NHS would be a right laugh.
PS I *am* a considerate smoker, dont smoke around food/eating places, at home, or around non-smokers.
Instead of waiting for the gov't idiots to ban smoking, if all those people that dont like smokey pubs/bars never went in them, and "boycotted" those establishments, then they would soon go out of business and have to ban smoking in their bar/pub, as according to Senior and the likes "most people dont like smoking", so they would lose business because only the small minority of smokers would visit them.
If a ban on smoking was that important to people, then there would be protests to enforce it, but I never see anyone outside my local with a "ban smoking" sign.
I just wish they would make it illegal, would be easier to give up then, everyone would be healthier and the NHS would be a right laugh.
PS I *am* a considerate smoker, dont smoke around food/eating places, at home, or around non-smokers.
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Originally Posted by m18use
Yeah it worked in ireland but there irish so not really a good example is it
Thats why they have 100000 dogends in the st,is that better?
Thats why they have 100000 dogends in the st,is that better?
#118
Originally Posted by m18use
Yeah it worked in ireland but there irish so not really a good example is it
Thats why they have 100000 dogends in the st,is that better?
Thats why they have 100000 dogends in the st,is that better?
here: http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372653
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Its a shame we never vote with our feet in this country, like the French do.
Instead of waiting for the gov't idiots to ban smoking, if all those people that dont like smokey pubs/bars never went in them, and "boycotted" those establishments, then they would soon go out of business and have to ban smoking in their bar/pub, as according to Senior and the likes "most people dont like smoking", so they would lose business because only the small minority of smokers would visit them.
If a ban on smoking was that important to people, then there would be protests to enforce it, but I never see anyone outside my local with a "ban smoking" sign.
I just wish they would make it illegal, would be easier to give up then, everyone would be healthier and the NHS would be a right laugh.
PS I *am* a considerate smoker, dont smoke around food/eating places, at home, or around non-smokers.
Instead of waiting for the gov't idiots to ban smoking, if all those people that dont like smokey pubs/bars never went in them, and "boycotted" those establishments, then they would soon go out of business and have to ban smoking in their bar/pub, as according to Senior and the likes "most people dont like smoking", so they would lose business because only the small minority of smokers would visit them.
If a ban on smoking was that important to people, then there would be protests to enforce it, but I never see anyone outside my local with a "ban smoking" sign.
I just wish they would make it illegal, would be easier to give up then, everyone would be healthier and the NHS would be a right laugh.
PS I *am* a considerate smoker, dont smoke around food/eating places, at home, or around non-smokers.
Good point .