Buckrogers

Typically, the majority of pubs need to sell food to survive. I guess working men’s clubs should be all right and the few bars in town centres that do drinks only. It is generally around the 50 / 50 mark – food / drink. Pubs make far more profit on food than they do on drink.



Who knows, some sharp people out there may decide to stop doing food to allow smoking, but this will only happen in town centre pubs.



Smoking has already been banned within the work place apart from set designated rooms. Why ban those rooms now? Smoking rooms have been put in place to allow people to smoke in those rooms. If you are a non-smoker and don’t like smoke you do not go in there. Why ban them?

Buckrogers

Alcohol affects masses of people. Anti social behavour, voilence direct outside pubs / clubs, voilence but at the home, drink driving being drunk at work the following day etc, etc, etc. It does not just affect the person drinking it from a health point of view.

davegtt

OK I'll give u that to a certain extent, it is by far the best reponce to the debate so far IMO, I think alot of this could be cut out with better policing. not blaming the police but we need more numbers, people patrolling the streets on a saturday night NOT driving around the city centre HOPING they'll see something and penalising boy racers for having LED washer jets on etc..... OK there are some aspects that are much harder to police like the violence at home but its a start.

milo

yes they were legal in the first place! steroids for one thing used to be perfectly legal. im sure there are LOTS of other drugs that have had this done to them also. in fact - probably every drug... a drug had to exist (and be legal) before it could be made illegal!

the govt can do what they like with regards to making things illegal. right now they're planning on making lots of sports supplements illegal too.

logiclee

Most of the above is illegal, do them and you hurt other people and are breaking the law.

Currently you can smoke, hurt other people and it's totaly legal. Legislation is the way forward but the proposals don't go far enough.

If you got drunk and punched a barstaff you would be arrested, however ther is still scope in the new laws to breath smoke into barstaffs face. The effect f the smoke is not as instant as the punch but over time the end result could be far worse.

Lee

Buckrogers

Yes, most of it is illegal. Most of the people committing the offences get away with it as well.



I would be so bold to say that there are probably more victims of drink related incidents then there are cancer victims caused by passive smoking.

matt85

Yep.

Also, it is actually illegal to be intoxicated in a public place.





BTW- Baning smoking, im all for it. Disgusting in every way IMO.

Senior_AP

These are all indirect issues.

Unlike smoking, I'm not forced to drink someone elses beer after they've spat it out.

Buckrogers

You are not forced.

There are already non-smoking pubs, few, but there are. If they are so in demand why are there not more?

I am saying that you or anyone else is more likely to be affected, health wise, by an indirect drink related incident than by getting cancer as a result of passive smoking.

Dream Weaver

Its not indirect if a drunk driver splats you

Senior_AP

Perhaps - but we gotta start somewhere.

Leslie

I think the most important thing is that people should be in no doubt abouit the dangers of smoking both to the smoker and the person breathing in old smoke.

Maybe if there was a concerted effort to educate young chidren at school before they even get a chance to start, that might make a significant difference. And it might also stop those who have already started at a ridiculously young age. The road safety education that schools and other organisations used to give in the past made a big difference to the way children behaved at the roadside, maybe it might discourage them to try drugs and smoking if they were given the real facts and how nasty the eventual results can be.

I personally thing it is a duty for our educators to do this sort of thing, especially since so many parents can't be bothered now.

Les

Dream Weaver

But that's down to the gov't to implement, not the educators, and as said the gov't like the smoking revenue too much, so they would prefer children to start smoking in all honesty, hence why you never see huge no smoking campaigns in school.

m18use

If they ban smoking ,how could you possibly police it.In a club for eg are they
gonna have 50 doormen?In a pub are they gonna employ people to watch to see if people smoke?It will never work ,and yes i smoke but if some one does not like it they can move,why should I.Its your choice to be in a pub/club if you dont like smoke dont go,its easy really

Senior_AP

m18use

Sorry was that difficult for you?

Senior_AP

Yes - in fact impossible to digest that.

"if you don't like farts, stay at home".

I'll fart in your vicinity then walk away???

Selfish??

davegtt

That is the most ignorant thing Ive ever read on scoobynet. numnutts, if you want to smoke yourself into an early death fine by me, fine by alot of people but dont enforce it upon other people its your choice to smoke if your gonna take up that choice at least have some manners

Senior_AP

<applause>

m18use

Lol ,do you really think im ignorant ? do i give a toss ........no
Do you really think banning smokin is gonna make everyone live to be a 100,no i dont think so.everybody gives up smokin,where is the money gonna come from?would you be happy if tax was 50% because no one smokes

Senior_AP

When in a hole.....

Davegtt - I think he's just verified our thoughts.

urban

iTrader: (1)

Want a bet, it worked in Ireland, the responsibility is on the bar staff/publican - huge fines if spotted/reported and validated. So for instance I can be in the pub and when a ******** like you lights up I can report the bar. He get a large fine, you get barred ta **** and the rest of us are all happy.

Selfish ba$tard.
I used to smoke, but I would never have smoked around people who didn't, It was my problem, not theirs so I went offside for a smoke.
I hated people smoking around me when I was eating, and probably hate it even more now.

Shaun

davegtt

its not about whether Im gonna live longer now people are not smoking around me. My life would be happier if I could enjoy a night out or even something simple like a game of snooker on a wednesday night without smelling the disgusting habit of others. waking up in the morning stinking of ****, u woke up to a woman after a night on the raz and smelt her hair? its disgusting. she doesnt smoke, neither do I so why should I stink of you?

People are still gonna smoke, there isnt a total ban, Im not asking for a total ban.

urban

iTrader: (1)

But there will always be smokers

m18use

Yeah it worked in ireland but there irish so not really a good example is it
Thats why they have 100000 dogends in the st,is that better?

Dream Weaver

Its a shame we never vote with our feet in this country, like the French do.

Instead of waiting for the gov't idiots to ban smoking, if all those people that dont like smokey pubs/bars never went in them, and "boycotted" those establishments, then they would soon go out of business and have to ban smoking in their bar/pub, as according to Senior and the likes "most people dont like smoking", so they would lose business because only the small minority of smokers would visit them.

If a ban on smoking was that important to people, then there would be protests to enforce it, but I never see anyone outside my local with a "ban smoking" sign.

I just wish they would make it illegal, would be easier to give up then, everyone would be healthier and the NHS would be a right laugh.

PS I *am* a considerate smoker, dont smoke around food/eating places, at home, or around non-smokers.

davegtt

again thats down to the smokers having no respect for their surroundings if you ask me. should be prosecuted for littering

Jap2Scrap

Oh no. Don't mention dog-ends in the street! That one went on for a few days itself

here: http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=372653

m18use

Good point .

davegtt

Dream weaver, thats this country for you. nobody is happy with petrol prices and taxes but we still put up with it