m18use

Lol littering ,just imagine that when your drivin and flick it out the window.The police are useless as it is ,perhaps we will have cameras and police hiding in hedges to catch dogend flickers

Dream Weaver

But we did boycott the petrol stations at one point, I remember those glorious petrol pump boycotts as I had a full tank of fuel and the roads were empty

If yourself and Senior are so opposed to smoking then do something about it, I will join in if you want as I'm giving up in the new year so it will help me.

urban

iTrader: (1)

Hmmmmmmm, we received a letter in work here from the Environmental Division asking who was driving car reg number X on a specific date.
They were being fined for chucking a *** bug out the window.

Its was one of our "Die Harder" sales men who smokes like a fecking traing and smells like it to.

I reckon when he goes out for a ***, he must blow the smoke in his jacket/shirt etc - absolutely fecking stinks of smoke.

One of the office clearners was stopped by the Environment folks around two weeks ago for dropping a *** butt in Belfast city centre.


Shaun

m18use

Any one intrested in a groupbuy on pocket ashtrays

urban

iTrader: (1)

But its the perfect example - Irish folk and quite heavy smokers and the government ban caused such an uproar before it was introduced.

Plus the 1000000 dogends, when were you last in Ireland?

Streets are pretty clean to me, plus a lot of people now reaslise that they can't just chuck **** on the ground.

Shaun

davegtt

Just because its hard to police doesnt mean its OK to do it. ignorant

From Edinburgh Evening News Wed 20 Oct 2004

Mother fined for dropping cigarette end

JANE BRADLEY AND GARETH EDWARDS


• Woman fined £50 for litter offence
• Claims there was nowhere safe for butt
• Mum told she faced court if fine not paid

A MOTHER today hit out at the city council after she was fined £50 for dropping a cigarette butt at a bus stop.

Karen McCulloch, 35, had just dropped the finished cigarette in the gutter on Stevenson Road, Balgreen, when two council litter wardens jumped out of a nearby car and issued her with a fine.

But Ms McCulloch, of nearby Stevenson Avenue, said she had no other place to drop the burning cigarette.

She protested to the wardens but was told if she didn’t stump up she could be taken to court and fined up to £2500.

She said: "They said I should put it out in the litter bin instead, but I said I couldn’t dream of doing that.

"When I have a cigarette in the house, I don’t put it in a rubbish bin, I let it go out in an ash tray."

Ms McCulloch, who has a seven-year-old daughter, Lauren, added: "Bins are made of plastic and have a lot of inflammable rubbish in them - it would be dangerous."

She said the two female wardens had been staking out the bus stop before she was caught at 9am yesterday.

"They were there for a wee while - they stayed and watched me do it," said Ms McCulloch, who was on her way to her work at an architect’s firm.

"I was absolutely furious and I don’t want to pay the fine, but they said if I don’t, I’ll have to go to court and I could be charged up to £2500."

The council said its awareness initiative, the Keep Edinburgh Clean campaign, had highlighted the smoking-related litter problem to residents.

Director of environmental and consumer services Mike Drewry said: "The principal aim of environmental wardens is to deliver a more effective enforcement of existing laws and therefore improve both the cleanliness and the environment of the city.

"The City of Edinburgh Council introduced environmental wardens in October 2001. They have been successful in improving the overall cleanliness of the city and have also proved to be extremely popular with the public. Indeed, their visible presence is having such a positive impact throughout the city that their numbers are due to increase."

John Summers, national director for Keep Scotland Beautiful, said the group supported the council’s efforts to hammer home the message that cigarettes should not be thrown on the streets.

"Cigarettes are the most common source of litter, whether it is the butts or the packets or the wrapping," he said.

"The problem is a lot of smokers don’t consider their cigarettes to be litter, and so it becomes more difficult to get the message across."

However, a spokesman for Forest, the Freedom Organisation for the Right to Enjoy Smoking Tobacco, said: "We don’t condone anyone dropping litter, but there is a really serious issue here, because if the council are determined to push ahead with a ban on smoking in public places that will cause more people to smoke outside.

"It will then be up to the council to provide them with somewhere for people to put out their cigarettes if they want to cut down on litter.

"If a cigarette is put in a litter bin it could set fire to litter, and the council should look at providing bins which have a place for people to safely extinguish cigarettes."

m18use

Never been as i cant smoke ,and im scared of bombs

davegtt

Course you can smoke, thats the whole point, smoke all you want just not in a pub where its an enclosed space where people may not be smokers.

for the last comment

urban

iTrader: (1)

Bombs are long gone my friend, plus the bombs were usually in the North of the Island

That was another pain to society - fecking terrorists

m18use

lol my point thats much worse than dogends

urban

iTrader: (1)

Eh?

Dracoro

Murder is much worse than burglary. Doesn't mean we should ignore burlaries etc...

Jerome

To answer an earlier question of enforcement of a smoking ban, I imagine they'll do the same as Toronto did when they introduced a smoking ban back in June. The City employed loads of extra inspectors to blitz bars for the first couple of weeks of the ban. A bar up the road from me got caught several times in the first week and fined $1200 each time. None of these fines was the result of a patron actually smoking. Evidence of smoking was all that was required. Even empty ashtrays mounted into the wall in the staff toilets was enough to get them a fine. Needless to say, no-one smokes in that bar anymore - bar staff police the place now.

Also, if you light up in a bar and refuse to out it out or go outside, look forward to a couple of burly armed Toronto Cops (who don't have a reputation for their friendliness) handcuffing you and bundling you uncerimoneously into the back of a police cruiser. Then look forward to a fine of several hundred dollars. Can't imagine you will do that too often. The police will respond to incidents such as this every time - they are pretty **** about the small things here.

As for *** butt litter in the street outside bars, there is a $304 (don't ask why the $4 bit is there) fine for littering in Toronto for starters. Most bars supply an ashtray outside the doors as well.

Senior_AP

Damn I love T-Dot!!!!

darts_aint_sport

Oh the hypocracy!

Dracoro

Or irony

Jap2Scrap

Or hypocrisy.

Jerome

I should warn you that there are 10 bars which have a separately ventilated enclosed smoking room inside. This is allowed until 01/06/2007

If you come to T.O. again, let me know so I can warn you off them.

Senior_AP

I'M THERE FROM 28TH DEC - 02 JAN......