pslewis

I have no problem backing up my point of view, what I will NOT have is someone like YOU telling me that I MUST tell YOU what I have done and do in a military aspect .......................

I cannot believe how stupid you are?? ... you secretly admire me don't you?

Now, get back to the issue under discussion (which is NOT what military experience I have, or don't have!)

Pete

Petem95

Moses, you cant even begin to compare Iraq with Scotland - it would be a totally different war. Scots wouldnt go round capturing innocents and brually beheading them, they wouldnt go round suicide bombing - these people clearly have a totally different mindset to westerners, and will do some really extreme and messed up sh*t in the name of religion. The Americans may have done a few bad things in a small minority of cases, but nothing compared to what theyve done.

Oh come off it mate

pslewis

Moses - the west is trying to give Iraq back to the Iraqis ... those who are trying to stop democracy are NOT heroes or martyrs - they are cold blooded killers who kill innocents .......

and they shall be executed where they fall!

Pete

gsm1

I suppose ripping people in half with bullets, napalm and cluster bombs is so much better?

Petem, there are various groups in Iraq right now, don't believe what the Yanks tell you, they haven't stopped lying. I wouldn't trust them to tell me what the weather was outside my window.

The most passive people can do the most atrocious things in war. You go around killing people's loved ones - all rational thought goes out the window.

johnfelstead

No Pete, i think you are an ******* troll who is out to destroy a thread the majority of the time, you have serious issues where people disagree with you and often shout them down, adding nothing to the dabate taking place and often sending them off in a tangent.

When you use crap like this in your posts it warants a request for clarification of you actual level of involvement, especially when you are often telling people they have no valid opinion because they have no relevent experience.

this was in response to a question posted not by me, but SBradley asking "You comment on armchair soldiers playing wargames on their PS2s. An opinion which I'm rather inclined to be sympathetic towards. But, and please correct me if I'm mistaken here, the sum total of your military experience is, um, naff all." you never answered the question, you just sugested you had some involvement. Which of course any civy contractor could say.

pslewis

Yeah, Yeah, lots of words ..... and your point is??

I made it clear that I would not talk about my work, past or present .... I struggle to understand why you cannot accept that? You CLEARLY have very little experience of the security services if you think everyone can talk about what they did do, and do. Now go to bed!

Pete

Aaquil

Peter I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick the aims of Bush are simple...oil and a strategic centre in the Gulf States. The UK and US provided Saddam Hussein with weapons in the first place. If they want to give Iraq back to Iraqis why are they not giving Zimbabwe back to it oppressed people, or Sudan back to the oppressed Sudanese or Chechnya back to the Chechens etc. There is no doubt individuals like Zarkawi are devils but what do you think Bush and Blair are? Angels?!!!

It is very easy to fall to propaganda that is being pumped out...how do you know that this Iraq was individually responsible for killing hostages? Also if Zarkawi beheads then we should do the same to Iraqis? Is a knife for beheading worse than tons of bombs dropped on innocent Iraqis be so called precision bombings. Will there be any Iraqis left to give Iraq back to after the bombings etc.?
1. Where are the WMD? Oh yes sorry Its now...
2. To get rid of the raping, torturing, murdering Saddam Hussein? Got rid of him but the US Troops are now doing a fine job on Saddams behalf.
3. We want to give back Iraq to the Iraqis and establish Democracy for them. Well will there be any Iraqi civilians left who haven't been raped, tortured, sexaully humiliated or murdered?

You reap what you sow...Terrorism is evil whether on a small scale or State run. A life is a life whether it be Arab/ Iraqi or Western/ US or UK. Do not raise the value of one over the other.

pslewis

Generally correct, however, consider this:-

1st life is that of a terrorist (of whatever race/religion) who executes a female aid worker by beheading in the most barbaric way.

2nd life is a US 19 year old soldier who is scared stiff and fighting for freedom

Sorry, I place the 2nd life WAY, WAY above that of the 1st!

Pete

Aaquil

But was the guy a terrorist? Defo if he was I agree with you 100% scum should be killed...no arguments at all. If he was a terrorist he deserved to die.

You know the most Ironic and sad thing that female Aid worker was a Muslim!!!

johnfelstead

It was a simple request that requires no clasified information to answer. You constantly slag people off as being the PS2 generation yet you cant answer yes/no to a simple question.

You have talked about your "work" in the past, which if i recall correctly you stated as being involved in weapons systems as a civilian employee. or were you lieing?

bigJoe

The Marine is hero and so are all the others

Stuff like this happens – in war or peace – now he will be judged by his piers and superiors

But whatever happens the guy is still a hero for helping to spread freedom and democracy to a people, most of whom have never known the freedoms we enjoy and expect every day.

pslewis

Indeed, the death of the Iraqi, muslim, aid worker is an absolute disgrace - I feel for her family. Quite why she had to die is beyond me?

Was the guy a terrorist? Was he NOT a terrorist? What we DO know is he would have killed YOU, ME, and the Soldier who killed him!

Pete

gsm1

Why this constant reference to PS2? It's Pete who supports going into other countries and playing Action man.

johnfelstead

We dont know that at all. You asume that to be the case because he happened to be there.

paulr

Was the guy a terrorist?

When there is a real possibility that you may DIE in the next 3 seconds you dont stop to ask.
I dont even know why we are having this converation.

Aaquil

If that is true then I agree with pslewis then you last statement means he must have been one so killing him is not a problem. If he is like the devil Zarkawi. Is it confirmed that Margaret Hassan is murdered...if so then it is truly a sad day. A Muslim who devoted her life to the Iraqi. I'm sure that the majority of the Iraqi would have had nothing to do with it. May Allaah destroy her killers.

Yes, I am a Muslim...Islaam promotes the killing of terrorists like Zarkawi. A Believing Muslim would be fighting with the Western troops as to who could kill that devil, scum, evil, coward, dog. May Allaah destroy his hands and body.

pslewis

Its no secret where I work now, what I did in the past is not open for discussion ...................... but, if you keep insisting please feel free to take one of the following as your answer (whichever one you are comfortable with) just shut up, FFS!

1. I worked in the SAS and was involved in the Iranian hostage seige

2. I was a dustbin man and still am

3. I worked for MI5 and MI6 around the world including NI

4. I was a star-spangled stiker playing for Middlesbrough Football Club

5. I was a 1970's pop star in the most successful bands of all time, I died in a car crash - but am really still alive

or

6. I am a complete madman who lives on planet cuckoo and wet the bed nightly .............. ooooops, sorry, thats YOU!!!! Ha Ha Ha

So take whichever you like as gospel and go to bed a happy man, no doubt you will dream of me

Pete

chris's scooby

John, Pete's already said he can't talk about his work. Although i didn't think 1914-1918 was still covered by the official secrets act?

Aaquil

Pslewis the death of anyone is a disgrace especially an Aid worker MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM.

gsm1

Read all about PSLewis here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1407284.stm

Goodnight. :-)

chris's scooby

Corner!

pslewis

Do you think it 'normal' to go searching for a topic that you can use like that?? If it took you 2 minutes to find its sad - it probably took you an hour of searching ....................... thats not sad, thats pathetic!!

Pete

moses

pete and pslewis

99% of iraqis or more aint kidnapping innocents, its a percentage as u know

and 100.000 civilians killed and over and more

can u feel how it would feel if they were americans or british lives

trust me u wouldnt have said that if our people were killed this way an illegal war it was and always will be

johnfelstead

OK Pete, you wont answer the question, fair enough. In respect of that stop slagging everyone off when you suspect they are nothing more than PS2 jockeys. (i wont hold my breath)

gsm1

Sorry, Pete, but if you're gonna use the argument of everyone else being an armchair PS2 player, what do you expect?

gsm1

btw it took me 30 seconds to find

pslewis

100,000 civilians killed? Is that from The Sun? It seems a very high figure.

I appreciate that most Iraqis are NOT kidnappers and killers, I had a few Iraqi friends about 25 years ago. They are absolutely fine people - and thats why I am fully in favour of freeing them from the stranglehold of the past.

I am in favour of them having free elections where they can vote for who they want to run the country

I am in favour of wiping the scum from the face of the earth

Sadly, these great prizes will come at a cost ..... the west is paying some of that cost, freely giving their lives for the Iraqi people.

When the USA came to help the UK in the World War innocents died, civilians were blown up in their own homes, the defeat of the devil was the result

We are there now and will not desert our Iraqi friends - whatever those on here might say, we will NOT leave you alone to the terrorists!

Pete

pslewis

No, please, DO hold your breath!!

Pete

johnfelstead

so predictable.

gsm1

Freely giving their lives?? And you have the nerve to claim others are armchair PS2 players?