moses

pslewis , usa aint their to give iraq back their country

far from it

they want to rape that country of its wealth, control their stooge democracy and take away all the contracts and let the american companies have it, have their usa cars sold in that country and telecommunications the lot


and if u are in favour of wiping iraqis defending their country of the face of the earth dont they have the right to do the same to the usa and their soldiers , its tit for tat aint it, but u wont agree with that, would u

and yes pete it sounds like scotland from the ages, and like wallace did defend his country so would the iraqis from the americans , the winner will be the iraqis, look at the history , any nation who oppressed people and invaded their lands hand to leave with their tails between their legs

u thinking israel is winning by oppressing palestinians, no it isnt, israelis are leaving ever yr by the thousands

and u think in a yr or 2 that usa wont take a right hammering from the iraqis, of course they would

when u have nothing left to fear, u will fight to the last , thats what the iraqis will do

Bubba po

Pure Toss.

Leslie

Can't believe anyone would actually want to see someone being shot.

pslewis

But in JohnFelsteads case we could make an exception

Pete

Sith

Pete, you are bang on the money. Far too many people on here make judgements based on 3rd party or biased propoganda. If they were standing next to the Soldier that took the the shot then they can make comments.

If I were in that situation, booby traps, suicide bomers etc, I would have taken the shot. The US troops were sent in to clear the area. The Allied troops have to play by certain rules unfortunately, the insurgents don't play by the same rules.

kob999

I think you have just made the point that people are slagging you off on. The very fact that this is the internet means that what you have said about military service could be true but it could just as likely be a lie. It doesn't add any credence to your opinion and whether it is believed or not seems to depend almost entirely on whether people agree with your opinion or not.

Better off to stick to opinions rather than trying to back them up with unprovable knowledge or experience.

johnfelstead

And that is why the soldier in question has been removed from active duty, because it apears he didnt abide by the rules he must follow. Its now down to this soldiers superiors to carry out an investigation and determine the next course of action.

gsm1

Only because it was splashed on screens around the world. The American military/govt knew of the atrocities in Abu Ghraib long before the pictures came out. Only when those pictures were leaked to the press did they do anything about it.

CoobyS

LMAO @ Pete!! Another classic wind-up post from simply the best........

CoobyS (your worst nightmare reborn!)

johnfelstead

I dont disagree.

johnfelstead

Petes antics are so old hat and predictable it doesnt have the wind up effect he hopes for anymore. It's a shame he still manages to kill decent discusions though.

CoobyS

with all due respect ----->

did u serve in iraq?

if so, why did u return??

CoobyS

Well..............what i'm saying is that what he writes in no way can be taken seriously: to anyone with the slightest intellect it's a load of garbage....but for those lacking total intellect, like most of the chavs here, they will see pete as a wind-up merchant.

ignorance is bliss................

and great millets like pslewis are made martyrs is the kingdom of retards

i will get into the psychology of such people in a later thread.

sleep well!

Brit_in_Japan

The Geneva Convention is there to protect our soldiers too. Put yourself in the position of being a British soldier who is wounded and incapacitated. Would you think it's fair that one of the enemy can just walk up to you and put a bullet in your head? Imagine if the US press got footage of an Iraqi "insurgent" doing that to an incapacitated US soldier, can you imagine the headlines, the wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth?

We should let the military tribuneral decide if this was an unlawful killing or justifiable in the heat of the moment.

scooby-si

how do you now that he wasnt wired up to go BANG when they move the injured fella its been done before its easer just to shot him,if he was wired i would have done the same

scooby-si

no they just cut the heads off and shoot civies in the back of the head

Jerome

Now a US officer has been charged - see here.

Seems like the Yanks have gone from one extreme to another.

Brit_in_Japan

So your arguement is we should sink to their base level? Is that how a so called "civilized" country should behave?

Doing house-to-house clearance is no picnic, but the soldiers have to try and maintain some minimum standard of behaviour as defined by the Geneva Conventions. We have yet to win the peace in Iraq and it's important that the troops on the front line are not seen as trigger happy self appointed executioners. Winning the peace is more important than the overthrowing of Saddam otherwise we will have spent billions and killed maybe 100,000 people for almost nothing.

The soldier involved will now be judged by military court which I think is the right place to decide if his actions were justifiable or otherwise.

popeye

What World War was this Lewis? The one that the USA did everything it could to stay out of, then joined in when it got attacked at Pearl Harbour?

daiscooby

Firstly I have lttle or no respect for the abilities / training / leadership of regular U.S soldiers full stop. I have trained with them and actively served with them. They are all firepower and technology, no skills at soldier level. But take on board the reasoning behind that. The whole U.S. armed services were designed, structured, equiped and trained to fight a short hot war against numerically overwhelming Warsaw Pact forces. Vietnam is a good indicator that they cant fight a smaller action and win, Iraq is just the child of Vietnam in the scope of the conflict. Dont blame the 'Grunts', incidently only U.S. Marines are Grunts.
Secondly, as has been stated, house to house insn't pretty. It is nervy, edgy, horrible work, I did enough in Ulster. Also the 'insurgents' are apparently using some very insiduous tactics. Booby trapping buildings and bodies, firing under a white flag of truce, people feigning injury and killing those who aid them etc, etc. But you train to do the work, and are well led by good N.C.O's and junior officers.
But to me, and it is just my opinion, the fact that there has alledgedly been a shooting of an injured insurgent is only indicative of one think. Pish poor training and ineffective junior leadership. It has been often said that the British Army are the best trained regular soldiers in the world, and in moments and situations like this it pays dividends. If you do the job by the numbers as an individual and as part of your unit, and you are well trained, you minimise the risk of such incidents. I understand also that the soldier in question was shot and wounded in the face doing the same work they day before. Sorry that once again is pish poor leadership to have the same soldier doing the work until he has had a suitable mental recovery period, forget physical injury.
But I whole heartedly disagree with the 'embedding' of camera units with front line units. It is an extremely unnecessary burden on the unit, it is an unnecessary risk of civilian life, but it is a superb opportunity for the exposure of the frailties of the human race under extreme circumstances.

Taff107

Yes and I returned because I had served my 6 months or so and it was the first opportunity I had to get out of the sh1thole.............

Taff107

Totally agree - the only people who should be on trial are the idiots who allowed the cameras to go with the unit.
It really is a waste of time discussing subjects such as this on this forum. Apart from a few, it is full of people with absolutely no military experience who feel that they have the right to criticise everything that a soldier out there does based entirely on the information received through the media.

Sith

Basically what Pete and I said. So many people, so many opinions all with so little experience and first hand facts.

I support our troops and am very glad I am not there and that National Service was canned.

daiscooby

Taff, come on mate, Iraq's a picnic. Aldershot during Airborne Forces Week.

< before all you Light Ale Cavaliers start on me it's a joke ok, a joke. >

ozzy

The media does have it's place in War although they don't provide a balanced view on what it's actually like, especially from the POV of soldiers on the ground.

If you've been fighting street to street for day-in-day out I'm not surprised anyone who poses the slightest threat is gonna get taken out. Better safe than sorry would be my attitude.

I've been lucky not to have been sent to hostile locations (so far), but even the CQB training is feckin nail-biting enough never mind have someone there actually trying to blow your head off.

Stefan

ozzy

Airborne week's like one big Hen Party

Daz34

LOL I think you will find that that was in a Dirty Harry movie and not on any target range I have ever been on

Tiggs

daz, you dont know what you are on about. These target ranges require lots of somersaults, ray bans and are always done with a pump action.

T

Daz34

Taff107

Jesus, you've got a point there!........