TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

The evo has been outclassed since 2003, during the dark years of 1997-2002 the evo had the advantage, now subaru do. Its not about just big power figures, its about all round ability, and the subaru now is the leader in this department, that includes the handling.

Tony

p1doc

the spec c is really not that special anymore is it if uk models have all of it's suspension changes and dccd?
martin

S.B.

The evo 260 is the only evo aimed at the uk market
The rest are imported and given the fq treatment
The 260 is the only one with a standard uk sized front plate

S.B.

Sorry but that is bollocks

George W Bush

S.B. Have you driven an 05 STI??

jason4656

thats not bollocks!!!























its total bollocks

S.B.

Whats an 05 got to do with it
It says 2003 in the post i commented on

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

So the evo never had any advantage then?
Thats what your saying

Let me shine some light in your direction

Since the introduction of the evo4 to the evo6 (inc the TME) these have been a dominant force, they have had an advantage over the impreza, and its well documented, the 7 was a letdown but still an improvement over the 6 (unless you owned a 6 and then there aint no chance it was) but hey, thats change for you
Subaru had tried and tried hard towards the last of the classic STi's to improve on what they had, and did a very good job, but not quite as good as mitsubishi, so when the change came, the MY01 STi was a bit of a revelation, it still wasnt quite as good as the evo, but it had pulled itself back into the ball park quite a bit.
The biggest and best change came with the MY03 cars, with A-DCCD, a different engine and a nice facelift to name some of the changes, this put Subaru on top, it was a better car than the evo Subaru had atlast turned the tables again, the most dramatic being the Spec C, with changes in geomety and suspension.
These changes have now made it onto ALL the latest STi's, putting Subaru well and truely back on top, why? by removing the thing thats plagued all scoobs, understeer, and listening to the critics.
Thats not to say the evo still isnt a very good car, because it is, but it has fallen behind in the stakes, and even evo owners are acknowleging this.
Of course there are a few minor matters that have pushed sales up for subaru over mitsubishi, which we wont go into (and if you dont know about then you should read more ) but lets say it didnt help mitsubishi's image....

Tony

jason4656

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the evo had and still has the advantage, show me any road tests, magazines, websites, where subaru comes out on top??

the only place it comes out on top, is the keyboard tuners society

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Well we could start with pretty much all the japanese car press, there is evo mag of course, auto car have also given the euro STI a big thumbs up over the evo.....
Need more?

Your only a couple of years out, the evo has been off the boil since 2003.....

Tony

hades

Anyone remember a while back, this post had something to do with an alleged STi 377, and wasn't another one of those boring EVO vs Scoob posts?

My take - Evo FQ-300 (or similar) comfortably beat 03/04 STi PPP round TG track. Spec-C (or better still Type 25) are preferred by EVO mag over Evos. Conclusion - evos are better in some respects and will suit some people, scoobs are better in some other respects, and will suit others. Any chance of getting back on topic?

steppers

eh your right there hades and i started it

chris's scooby

Well said. At the end of the day when you're going to spend £30000 on a car you will test drive a fair few and buy the one that you like the best.

Danny B

I disagree, if anything it has got better and better since 2003.
The current MR FQ3xx range is the absolute pinnacle of a 4wd Rally Saloon, don't get me wrong I love Impreza's but I would much rather have a MR300 any day of the week.

S.B.

One big reason is that mitsubishi have never flooded the uk or other countries with evos like subaru have with the impreza

jason4656

simply repeating yourself over and over doesnt prove anything tony, which edition of evomag or autocar says the scooby is better than the evo since 2003???

THOMO

http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...threadid=61581

this thread is spreading .to the laughs of the register

Daz34

I love scoobies but at the end of the day would you rather have a TMIC & a post box or a nice big FMIC. I know a TMIC is traditional but I think it is holding the car back.

Darren

john banks

STi TMIC didn't stop Andy F getting 500 BHP. He upgraded it later to a custom one, but the new age TMIC is quite good. Most people would change the Evo's FMIC to a bigger one at this level as well?

terryb

Jason

Seems you need educating then..

Article: P Shooter (Autocar 16th August 2000, by Stephen Sutcliffe)
And to cut a long story short... VERDICT: The most focussed Impreza yet. And the first car to make the Evo VI look flawed

Click here for full Autocar article

also

From EVO Oct 2003
Strip Club
CSL, GT3 and Impreza Spec C; three quite different cars linked by a common philosophy - each is the most finely honed, most tightly focused driver's car its maker produces. We compare them on road and track
October 2003
M3 CSL v 911 GT3 v Impreza STi Spec C

Wheres the EVO then????

Full article here

And look in the back of EVO and which car gets their vote as the best sporting saloon?? Spec C of course.

I think you're not the only one mis-informed Jason - there are plenty of others on here that are quick to jump on the bandwagon to say that EVO's are better than Scoobies - full stop... My question to you all though is...
...have any of you actually driven either car??????

wwp8

so ltd ed car vs ltd car
the evo 400 vs spec c

what is it compared to

weight vs weight
bhp vs bhp
torque vs torque

what i'm impresed over the evo.
is the bhp and the 0-60 time
it sounds good on paper, and when you have a chat with someone.
when you get too technical people fall asleep.

the only deterent is the pathetic price ( might as well buy a house, at least it holds the value in the long term)

i hope scoob are bringing out a more powerful car,

ps, with the evos, they are already powerful enough standard, with the scoobs, you need ppps, this, that

ARRON BIRD

Jason unfortunatly the two makes of cars have never been tested with the same tyres on to start with
I think someone should test a spec c and an evo with the same tyres on around a track even tho if they use the MR340 it will be more powerfull than a standard spec c it will still suprise a few.
I am a WR1 owner and my car always gets slated when tested around the track against other cars especially the MR340.
The tyres that the WR1 have on as standard are pretty crappy in my opinion.
A good base start would be better I think.
My car doesnt understeer anything like my old STI7 and that had as many modifications bar totally changing the suspension that you could do.
The WR1 will understeer a little in total standard spec but it is far better.
I can make my mates MR340 understeer like a pig too no problem!!
I think I`ve gone a little off topic but wanted to voice my opinion as usual

C

PMSL @ the Scoobynet bandwagon

Keyboard warriors at thier absolute best!

George Best

Tyres should be the ones the car is supplied with, next you will say test both cars on the same suspension etc etc

C

I'm sorry, but I find that arguement a little lame

The brakes on an Evo are generally slightly better as well so shall we uprate them too before we do a track comparison?

The engine is a better on an Evo so shall we uprate the Subaru one there too?

How about the suspension? Gearbox?

Spec C isn't a UK Car - If you are going that route, then surely the MR RS Evo is more of a comparison

*waits for shouts of "oh no, thats not fair, you cant do that"*

Im surprised we haven't had the classics like last time of "heatsoak" "Mitsubishi tuned thier car" "Mitsubishi bribed Top Gear"

IF (and its a big if) Subaru make a car that is quicker round a track (Top Gear one is the only real comparison) then fair play, until then, if the keyboard warriors want to speculate all sorts of things then so be it. However, we have in our vault 9 million and one excuses as to why the Evo wasnt faster on that one occasion, taken directly from previous Scoobynet discussions

Then of course we can start speculating on how much better the new Evo is, and spout a load of bollocks about how its going to tear the Subaru a new arsehole etc.

All good fun

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Lots of good points, the biggest being that the Spec C is a JDM car, true, then again the only euro evo is the 260, all the rest are JDM cars that have been imported, so the comparison is JDM v Euro, and then all the evo owners whinge when you put a JDM car up against them

Brakes.... Subaru's have a bigger brembo setup than the evo, they are better than you think

Engine... the JDM cars have a considerably different and better engine than the euro cars, capable of very reliable power, 350/360 bhp standard turbo etc isnt a problem (with 370/380lbs of torque).

As for quicker round a track???
I believe that the latest Spec C now does nurburgring in under 8 minutes, not bad for a standard car eh i dont think mitsubishi have a standard car that can do that time, we would have heard about it if they would have

The evo has lost its crown, sorry evo owners, but it went back in 2003 (you lot are really behind the times aint you).

Tony

C

They are official UK cars with UK warranties the FQ/MR are modified when they get here

I have to admit, I havent tried any braking tests - but bigger doesnt necessarily mean better

Thats not exactly relevant though. The Evo has the same engine, be it UK, JDM or US. All capable of over 400bhp & 400lbs

No thats pretty good. But again, it's not a UK spec car & thus not relevant (according to some) I'm sure the FE400 would put in a good time if they wanted to try

I don't see how

If you want a quick car you can use every day & munch the miles in then yes, Subaru do take the honours.

However as a pure A to B car, the Evo still has the crown, as it does on track, yes it's a bit harder, no the fuel consumption isn't any worse, no it doesnt need an engine service every 4500 miles (it really is just the diff).

The other benefits are you don't see 9,000,000 of them on the road, and suffer depreciation levels to make a grown man weep (although the 7 & 8 are a lot worse than previous models).

Subaru do win something - the depreciation race

automodellistagt

before buying my scoob in july i looked at four or five cars, the Scoob(doh) Vauxhall vx220 tubby, the mazda rx-8, the nissan 350z and the evo (cant remeber which one mind there were toomany varients). It sort of got elimianted like this..

The Vx220 was blindingly fast, being so light it was just a little scary for amatuer opposite locker like me, it needed a hell of a lot of concentration to drive it, even if you were only trundling along a slightly twisty rd. I compare it to my old mans TVR in that repect but it didnthave the noise so if you had to drive it at 40mph cos of traffic it was bloody boring, but with the tvr least youcould put in in a high gear and listen to the lovely v8 soundtrack.

The mazda, was just rank and slow

the nissan was an amazing car to drive but the only let down was a horrible young snoot that served me didnt like the fact that a 22 yr old was looking at buying the car. Plus it only had two seats. If it only had a rear bench that you could, if ever need be plonk two people in it would have been a much closer call between that and the scoob.

apart from the evo dealer being miles away i fond that the evo was too hardcore for me. It was to much no compromise 'the only way you'll drive me is fast, i dont do anything else'. Maybe i had that impression cos that was what i had 'read' or 'watched' on the reviews. Compared to the scooby i felt as if i had to concentrate and couldnt just simply take it round town for a cruise to the shops because it would go hunting for m3's like a dog straining at the leash.

The scoob i found to be nearly as fast as the evo through the first two gears, but you got more of the impression that it was a grown up rally car, like a person that used to be a skinhead in his youth but has somehow grown up but could still kick your ar*e.
Plus it had a better interior.

The scoob won it simply because i'm not a good enough driver to give the evo justice or for its extra strengths like the handling to come out. I can only get near the lmits of my scooby on a roundabout lol.

automodellistagt

and i can show some concern fo the evo fq400 and why sbaru are taking so long regarding a comparison.


have you seen the warrenty for the evo? 3 yr OR 36,000 miles. That 36,000 miles screams straight at me as a concern for the engine life they expect from the car.

these sort of power racesbetwwen comapnies have gone on for so long and go in cycles, its as if the companies have got some money and some kid says 'it'll be a great idea if we did this' etc etc

then when they're not making any money a new guy comes in and scraps it, they start making sensible cars, make some money, the guy leaves and said id gets to voice his opinion again

Mike Tuckwood

Hi John.

Well, its difficult to say really, we've done more than a couple of dozen ober the last 18 months or so and have a growing queue for them.

We haven't had one back (yet), but when pushing the limits it can (as you well know ) happen.

I don't know what those customers are doing with them, or indeed how they're treating them/what mileage they are seeing?


Mike.
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