davyboy

...been tried before, a lot of people lie!

logiclee

What people earn is probably for another thread, but what's the UK average wage now? £24k?, £26k?

I know pslewis would say £64k but I'm talking official figures.

Most people would find running a scoob on £24-26k a struggle unless they live with Mummy and/or Daddy.
And that's without dabbling in expensive illegal drugs.

Cheers
Lee

davyboy

Do people really earn that what do they do for work....a paper round?

Fukc me................How will they ever buy a house? Let alone a few lines of coke.

logiclee

Just done a google......


For 2003, average wage.......

£22k Scotland
£24k England and Wales

Cheers
Lee

_Meridian_

iTrader: (1)

Boy are you in for a surprise: LSD and mushrooms are both class A....


M

DAVE-W

Thats bollox for a start, I only earn 20k, and thats good money for my career in this area. I've run Cosworths, Subarus, and currently an E46 328Ci. I've also owned a number of very nice houses m8.

You've just gotta know what you're doing with your income










.......and a Ford Transit delivers my Coke every Friday LOL

Simon C

OK time for my 2p worth.

I have never touched a Class A or B drug in my life, and have no intention to, but to say that wouldn't change when I'm a few the worse for wear is hard to say.

I do occasionally smoke cannabis and thats it, I also smoke and drink.

I know a few people who do use coke as a rec drug and I know for a fact 1 of them earns 12k, cos its the ex. Running a scoob aint difficult on a low salary, I earn 13k and have run my sport well until the last 3 months when its been playing up. As long as nothing goes hidiously goes wrong it can be done.

On another point, everything we do now would be banned if we knew back in the 60's what we know now.

DAVE-W

you'll never get a hit off 2p worth m8

davyboy

You live in Wales for goodness sake man!

20k makes you live like a lord!

Leslie

Sounds to me that drugs are in the same league that tobacco used to be, ie that it is the cool thing to do to use them. That was why everyone started smoking, and I dont exclude myself either as far as ciggies are concerned. I got hooked of course and it took a long time to be able to kick them coupled with a stay in hospital after a fall off a ladder.

I now very much regret the smoking because of the immense cost over the years and the damage it did to me, as the recent heart operation proved.

Looks like it is at least as easy now to get into drugs and risk the eventual awful outcome when it really takes hold of you. The cost must be very high I imagine, and as Lee says it causes serious crime as well.

I never got into drugs or excessive alcohol because I was afraid of the effects and also prefer to remain in control of myself, personal thing that is.

Since I have not tried drugs, I dont know what the attraction is and what it does for you. I'm with Patt here and would rather remain my own self without having to induce a different personality to impress the others. I can enjoy myself much better like that anyway. I like a drink but don't need to get out of my brains to enjoy that either. Hate hangovers anyway, so avoid that now.

I am obviously with Patt, pfflowers and Logiclee here. I feel from my own experience that it is just not worth screwing yourself up in later life for short time so called pleasure with drugs, tobacco and alcoholism. When you are lying there seriously ill, with only a short time left, you won't remember the riotous times you may have had with any kind of pleasure believe me. The will to live is just as strong when you are older too.

Les

Diesel

Very kneejerk and horrified reaction to my post Lee. Dissapointed. However I completely accept your position and viewpoint - to quote an Ali G-ism I got 'too real' for you. I consider my approach far more pragmatic and closer to actuality however, as others suggest.

As for having an IQ test for a spliff - now that's a novel idea!

D

DAVE-W

like i said....I ain't complaining m8

mj

Not strictly true, and IMO, if you have never tried it you are in no position to pass judgement on others that have done or do.

the moose

Yes, but how many threads have there been asking "where can I get another 0% credit card". Face it, many of the people on here can't afford to run a Scoob, and overspend massively in the two or three years they have them.

Then they move on, get a TDi, and get used to the real world of mortgages, children, and prioritisation of funds.

I may be generalising, but probably not too much.

SiPie

Just in general re Cocaine....

I watched (and followed at times) most of my mates through the 80's where it was simply e and acid with lots to smoke and I escaped relatively unscathed, and then stood back (through choice and common sense) as coke became the thing to do for special occasions ie. a birthday and at christmas, and then the special occasions became every Friday, Saturday and what the hell, a Wednesday and Thursday was nearly the weekend anyway....

The end result 12 years on, as prices tumbled, is that as friends I now have a salesman who cannot make one call without a line, a taxi driver who risks his and other peoples lifes every day and has been binned by his partner who watched a good guy be thrown into sheer paranoia and selfishness to an extent she couldn't believe. Anopther two with big coke and booze problems (funny how they seem to go hand and hand)

I'm not against the drug in any way, but I sensed real danger when I found a drug that turned Mr insecure into Mr confidenct.

Very tempting and who can blame anyone for doing it ....

The way this drug creeps up on you is the cunning part IMHO

Chris L

And you could probably substitute alcohol in most of what SiPie has said in the post above (so why don't they put the big cigarette style warning labels on bottles of drink?). I've known one mate go through very bad times with coke (and heroin) and conversely, I've worked in the City where the drug of choice for many is heroin - which always surprised me. The City has always had a drug culture all of its own - traditionally, that was alcohol, but I guess it was inevitable that it would move to Class As.

Certain people have 'addicitve personalities' and will find their drug of choice be it legal or illegal. Others will 'cope' and lead what appear to be perfectly normal lives. How many people in the average office have a drink problem? I bet more than one. How many do you actually know have a drink problem - probably none (that will admit it).

What I find most disturbing is the way that some drugs are legalised and legitamised and others are treated as illegal. On the one hand, the government spends millions on anti smoking campaigns and tries to ban smoking in public places, but happily accepts the 6-8 billion it gets in revenue. Anyone else find this hypcritical? I'm speaking as a non-smoker here BTW.

I would prefer that as an adult, people were able to make their own choices.

paul-s

weather its right or wrong you will only understand WHY there is such a coke culture from first hand experience at having taken said substance. otherwise your opinion will be just based on your personal views.
av to say i use it now n then, and did yesterday as it goes. feel like sh1te today but thats cos of the all-dayer we went on. dont do it much and prob wont again till new years or something.

SiPie

If only I had a tenner for every time I've heard coke heads say that

paul-s

yea u prob have heard it loads..but personally im well aware of the physical implications of takin it, and this far outweighs any need to have it again. i never have had urges for it, havnt now and wont either. its just something that happens now n then for a laugh with all the mates out.

SiPie

I'd be more worried about the psychological issues....

Ok then

This is not directed at you Paul in any way, but why do all users of cocaine understate the amount they actually use ?

I grew up where it was deemed cool to have drunk/smoked more than you actually had and I drunk 2 bottles of Vodka or 25 pints and was still sober etc was a normal boast, then it was We rolled this huge cone joint made with a quarter of pure grass or took 3 e's, 4 grams, 4 trips etc etc ....

...but

With coke it's always the opposite

Everyone that I've ever met (including the salesman and taxi driver mentioned above) say that they hardly ever touch it these days or only on special occasions... yet you go out on a night out with them and that turns out soooooo not be the case...

Strange

EddScott

Going back to the original question, I never did much coke as I thought it was a bit pants. However the issue of needing a poo I noticed from taking Es ages ago. I assumed it to be something to do with the excitement and the knowing that you were about to do one. Seem to remember needing to go more or less at the same time as taking it so whether it contained a laxititve I've no idea.

Don't know many coke heads but a few friends have had heroin problems fortunately for them they've come out the other side. Since I've become a father I've only ever smoked a bit of weed now and then. Can't be in dodgy state of mind around children so those days are over.

Leslie

mj

You must be well acquainted with taking Cocaine going by your post, and as you say I have never done so.

Can you tell me exactly what it does for you when you do take it?

Les

paul-s

i dunno maybe they feel guilty for doin it or realise they dont wont people to think theyre off theyre nut or they wont treat them the same on a nite out. personally i really am hardly ever on it. last time apart from this weekend jus gon was probably about 3 months ago and then about 6 b4 that. and no it isnt gonna snowball. a few mates sell a fair bit but no close friends do much altho in the pubs / clubs i recognise ppl i always see out that are always off theyre chops.
cant stand the smoking thing tho ****/ganja etc. again each to their own. never enjoyed bein stoned tho...

paul-s

you take pills to get f*cked at a rave not a pub. you smoke to get stoned but u dont really wanna be stoned in a pub/club however if u have a sniff its like an octane boost sorta-thing which makes u a bit more on form so to speak on a nite out. ur not gonna want every1 to think ur bangin drugs tho so u will always understate it

MJW

The thing with cocaine is that in the past its high price, exclusivity and use by various celebs and well off people made it more attractive to a certain sector of the population ie. those that aspire to this sort of lifestyle. These days cocaine is quite cheap and has therefore become a bit 'chav'.
I agree with EddScott and a few others on this thread who say most controlled substances are like a rites of passage growing-up thing : once you have your own kids you know you have to keep a straight head most of the time and so tend not to bother.
There are plenty of legal prescription drugs which are just as, if not more dangerous - benzodiazepines such as halcion, xanax, tamazepam and painkillers like oxycontin, etc. This just goes to show that whether a drug is illegal or not is largely irrelevant, it's the mindset that goes with getting wrecked which is the problem. People with addictive personalities are already on the road to self destruction.

EddScott

A mate pinched some Tamazepam off his mum. I had 2 just after work at 5pm and woke up next morning! Dodgy stuff.

Coke didn't really seem to give me an extra boost personally but it did for others. Some things seemed to work differently to me than others. Acid for example would have all my mates laughing at their own shadow but to me it just didn't seem to do much except make me a bit paranoid.

The small amounts of H I did (smoking not in the vein) seemed to do to me what coke did to others. When working in a "trendy" bar ages ago I'd sneak to the car for a quick blast which made me more talkative/energy enhanced. Not entirely sure what crack is made of but that was a good high but short lived and quite expensive for what it was.

Older, wiser there are occasions where I miss it and my GF and the social circles I now mix with are all beer monsters which is OK but I can't stand hangovers whereas come downs were part of the course. Sometimes I can have 2 pints and feel rubbish the next day whereas my GF can drink and drink and be up and making breakfast by 8am.

Weapon of choice really but having children is the best excuse not to carry it on. Those friends that did get hooked on Heroin may well still be on it now and doing all the ****ty things they had to do to get by on it but they had a son a few years back. Instantly realising it could not continue they sorted themselves out and are now perfectly ordinary people. However it doesn't always work out like that. A relative of my GF has had 4 kids and each one has been born additiced to heroin from day one becuase she can't stop it - hard for me to pass judgement but some people take the pi55 out of drug use.

Jap2Scrap

The only contact I've ever had with coke was this girl I was seeing once who used to rub it on her, ummmm, ermmmm, delicate bit... before we had ermmmmm, ummmm you know

Never saw her snort any at all, although I guess I might have breathed some in by accident whilst, ermmmmm, ummmm.. ffs this is hard to keep 'clean'..

anyway.... she seemed to like it

Diesel

CHRIST! And I though I went too far and was too 'open' LOL

Brendan Hughes

FFS Answer the question. Did it make her poo more?

Diesel

PMSL