P1 blows at 175mph
04 December 2004, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh L
I know someone that blew one up at 160, but that was at Millbrook. Apparently the wing bends like a banana at that speed.
TBH, I can't see how that speed's possible if they were only doing 160 round Millbrook's banked circuit.
TBH, I can't see how that speed's possible if they were only doing 160 round Millbrook's banked circuit.
04 December 2004, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
In case you all didn't know, due to the aerodynamics of the classic, I recall that air to the intercooler is deflected after 130 ish mph, meaning severe det will occur quite rapidly... The IC hits a brick wall and air just passes over it. They aren't designed o do that speed, nor is a P1 geared to do 175.
Notice the newer cars have a much bigger IC scoop?
MB
Notice the newer cars have a much bigger IC scoop?
MB
Once you get up to 140MPH it takes a long time to gain each extra MPH, you need a lot of power in a scoob to reach 175MPH in a sensible timeframe, circa 500BHP.
05 December 2004, 10:05 PM
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There was a equation about top speeds in Evo the other month, but I can't be 4rsed trying to find it or tell you you what it said, but basically, if you had enough power, maximum revs x MPH/1000 revs in top gear, just need someone with P1 to tell us what gear ratios they run with.
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05 December 2004, 11:32 PM
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John, the post I remember was from Simon Lines or someone else from Prodrive? Guess if you've seen it on yours then its discounted what I thought... The chap was explaining the number of high speed blow ups on classic scoobs. Seemed to make sense to me when you look at the aerodynamics of the bonnet / scoop arrangement. Maybe it was at sustained speeds? Will dig the post up.
Didn't have an FMIC did you?!
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Didn't have an FMIC did you?!
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06 December 2004, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
John, the post I remember was from Simon Lines or someone else from Prodrive? Guess if you've seen it on yours then its discounted what I thought... The chap was explaining the number of high speed blow ups on classic scoobs. Seemed to make sense to me when you look at the aerodynamics of the bonnet / scoop arrangement. Maybe it was at sustained speeds? Will dig the post up.
Didn't have an FMIC did you?!
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Didn't have an FMIC did you?!
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it was still pulling stronge with the needle off the scale
...by the way no trouble with intercooler .....mine is front mounts
06 December 2004, 01:38 AM
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Stock STi5 engine/intercooler. I used to take that to circa 150MPH each lap at the nurburgring, one part of the circuit is uphill full throttle for 2Km topping out about 145MPH there. Lost count of the number of laps doing that. Charge temps were not a problem.
You can always improve things with model revisions, but i wouldnt put down engine failures at high speed to IC performance at stock boost levels. If you sit on full throttle at high speed for a very long time you are more likely to have problems from cylinder temperatures going through the roof, oil temps going balistic etc.
You can always improve things with model revisions, but i wouldnt put down engine failures at high speed to IC performance at stock boost levels. If you sit on full throttle at high speed for a very long time you are more likely to have problems from cylinder temperatures going through the roof, oil temps going balistic etc.
06 December 2004, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by STI-R/A
Hello mate where did you hear about this? The lad in question is from up my neck of the woods. He has come from a 1.6 mkv astra to a p1 which is a mistake in itself, I mean you cant just go from a fwd n/a car too a p1 and expect to know how to drive it, still - feel sorry for the boy - will be an expensive bill if done right.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Pal of mine lives in Inverness and spotted a post on a local website. Apparently the thread has now disappeared, the car was modded and this was mentioned online. He was doing speed runs down drumossie (sp?).
06 December 2004, 10:49 AM
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PMSL @ this thread
every1's saying this and that but...
maybe he had sat nav which confirmed the speed
no its not but where does it say that the P1 was running standard transmission
yes it is but maybe it done on the PH or a test track/airstrip?
maybe this P1 had a FMIC or charge cooler
instead of all of us saying its all not possible, dreamland, bull$h1t etc etc
I for one am really interested in finding out who this P1 owner is and seeing what modifications he/she has had done.
every1's saying this and that but...
How does he know it was 175mph?
Is 175 possible with P1 gearing and wheel size?
Loony speed on normal road.
In case you all didn't know, due to the aerodynamics of the classic, I recall that air to the intercooler is deflected after 130 ish mph, meaning severe det will occur quite rapidly... The IC hits a brick wall and air just passes over it. They aren't designed o do that speed, nor is a P1 geared to do 175.
Notice the newer cars have a much bigger IC scoop?
Notice the newer cars have a much bigger IC scoop?
instead of all of us saying its all not possible, dreamland, bull$h1t etc etc
I for one am really interested in finding out who this P1 owner is and seeing what modifications he/she has had done.
06 December 2004, 11:38 AM
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Having done >180mph (not in a scoob!) (not on public road) I can tell you things start to move verrrrry quick over 165mph and over 175mph its not much fun, and you need very big spaces to get up there.. I very much doubt with the drag co-efficient of the P1 that it would ever do more than 170 mph even with serious power..
06 December 2004, 12:24 PM
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Mark (rb5_286),
No one said they aren't interested in finding out who it was and if there is any mods. The evidence says that it's not possible in a std P1. There's also lots of evidence to say that no one's even come close to that speed. It would certainly need the correct gearing, sufficient power and loads of room.
Personally, I only asked more questions. I didn't say anything about it being bullsh!t, so please don't use my quote in your flaming. I am however very cynical.
Mark (Flat Eric),
My eyesight is very good thanks. It's not quite up to 8-miles, but I don't need to see that far. All I need to see is far enough to slow down and some red tail lights. Don't recall ever having a car "jump out" at me on a motorway.
I totally agree that things will happen and can be out of your control. My point is that this can happen at any speed. You could be doing 60mph on an A-road, quite legally and hit some diesel slide into oncoming traffic and hit someone head on. You've not been speeding and it was simply an accident. I think accidents are much more likely to happen on A-roads, country roads, built-up areas or on Motorways with poor conditions.
Can't remember the last time I heard of someone having a major accident late at night with no other traffic, in good visibility simply due to speeding. Falling asleep at the wheel or hitting wildlife would be more likely.
Like I say (and you even pointed it out yourself with the reference to a Sky Dive), you have to reduce the risks. Like Skydiving, driving at high speed is inherently dangerous, but can be done safely if you take sufficient precautions. That was my point.
Stefan
No one said they aren't interested in finding out who it was and if there is any mods. The evidence says that it's not possible in a std P1. There's also lots of evidence to say that no one's even come close to that speed. It would certainly need the correct gearing, sufficient power and loads of room.
Personally, I only asked more questions. I didn't say anything about it being bullsh!t, so please don't use my quote in your flaming. I am however very cynical.
Mark (Flat Eric),
My eyesight is very good thanks. It's not quite up to 8-miles, but I don't need to see that far. All I need to see is far enough to slow down and some red tail lights. Don't recall ever having a car "jump out" at me on a motorway.
I totally agree that things will happen and can be out of your control. My point is that this can happen at any speed. You could be doing 60mph on an A-road, quite legally and hit some diesel slide into oncoming traffic and hit someone head on. You've not been speeding and it was simply an accident. I think accidents are much more likely to happen on A-roads, country roads, built-up areas or on Motorways with poor conditions.
Can't remember the last time I heard of someone having a major accident late at night with no other traffic, in good visibility simply due to speeding. Falling asleep at the wheel or hitting wildlife would be more likely.
Like I say (and you even pointed it out yourself with the reference to a Sky Dive), you have to reduce the risks. Like Skydiving, driving at high speed is inherently dangerous, but can be done safely if you take sufficient precautions. That was my point.
Stefan
06 December 2004, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by billythekid
Having done >180mph (not in a scoob!) (not on public road) I can tell you things start to move verrrrry quick over 165mph and over 175mph its not much fun, and you need very big spaces to get up there.. I very much doubt with the drag co-efficient of the P1 that it would ever do more than 170 mph even with serious power..
i believe it was in japan on a country road that was perfectly straight for miles...
obviously massively modified running about 720bhp!!!
06 December 2004, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by expatback
Hi STI-RA!
Pal of mine lives in Inverness and spotted a post on a local website. Apparently the thread has now disappeared, the car was modded and this was mentioned online. He was doing speed runs down drumossie (sp?).
Pal of mine lives in Inverness and spotted a post on a local website. Apparently the thread has now disappeared, the car was modded and this was mentioned online. He was doing speed runs down drumossie (sp?).
BTW it was 160mph - verified by the road angel
Cheers.
06 December 2004, 01:49 PM
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I've taken my WRX type R along the straight at Bruntingthorpe, it hit the rev limiter in 5th no problems, it showed 168mph on the clock, it know its not accurcate but would expect, as it certainly felt more than 150mph and it didnt take too long for the road to get eaten up.
The car felt nice and stable, the only concern being the roof vent whistling like it was going to come off at indicated 140mph and above, no wing or bonnet deflection was observed.
I have been told about the intercooler suffering at high speeds and the air rolling off the bonnet and missing the scope, i have instrumented mine with thermocouples to see the temps but have not been back since, i got mine to the limiter quickly and then backed off so the boost was reduced.
just my experience,
The car felt nice and stable, the only concern being the roof vent whistling like it was going to come off at indicated 140mph and above, no wing or bonnet deflection was observed.
I have been told about the intercooler suffering at high speeds and the air rolling off the bonnet and missing the scope, i have instrumented mine with thermocouples to see the temps but have not been back since, i got mine to the limiter quickly and then backed off so the boost was reduced.
just my experience,
06 December 2004, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rb5 286
i have seen a video of a white classic shape impreza doing a recorded (GPS & laser gun) 200+mph
i believe it was in japan on a country road that was perfectly straight for miles...
obviously massively modified running about 720bhp!!!
i believe it was in japan on a country road that was perfectly straight for miles...
obviously massively modified running about 720bhp!!!
But it had major aero mods.
06 December 2004, 02:02 PM
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Ozzy,
175 on any british road for your own safety or anyone else is madness.
175mph equates to 85 yards a second so if you reacted in 3 secs and stopped after another 7 your looking at the best part of 1/2 a mile before you come to halt. Thats quite alot of vision.
Tj
175 on any british road for your own safety or anyone else is madness.
175mph equates to 85 yards a second so if you reacted in 3 secs and stopped after another 7 your looking at the best part of 1/2 a mile before you come to halt. Thats quite alot of vision.
Tj
06 December 2004, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by T.J
Ozzy,
175 on any british road for your own safety or anyone else is madness.
175mph equates to 85 yards a second so if you reacted in 3 secs and stopped after another 7 your looking at the best part of 1/2 a mile before you come to halt. Thats quite alot of vision.
Tj
175 on any british road for your own safety or anyone else is madness.
175mph equates to 85 yards a second so if you reacted in 3 secs and stopped after another 7 your looking at the best part of 1/2 a mile before you come to halt. Thats quite alot of vision.
Tj
06 December 2004, 02:36 PM
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Tj, I'm not denying the facts. All I'm saying is that you can't judge every scenario with the same bold statements. The road I mentioned earlier has one 2-mile section that is downhill, before heading back uphill to the junction. You can see all the way down and the road has been resurfaced, so is perfect if you wanted a high-speed run. I doubt you'd get near 175 unless running some serious power but I've had my Scoob flat out without it batting an eyelid. I built up speed along the road between the junctions and never passed anyone. I could literally see clearly for miles.
Sure it's crazy and for that reason I've only been tempted into it twice in 5.5 years of owning my Scoob. I would still argue that hooning around most country roads above the speed limits is by FAR more dangerous than my single runs with sod all traffic.
And how crazy is crazy. 100mph, 120mph, 140mph, 160mph or 180mph. Where do you draw the line?
I'm in no way condoning speeding; we all do it. I'll happily admit to doing wrong, but I would argue at being completely wreckless. Most people that lecture others on speeding don't see their own faults driving through a built-up area at 35-40 instead of 30 or driving on the motorway at 90 or driving far too close to the vehicle in front.
Of course, they're not wreckless in any way, it's just these eejits driving that fast
Stefan
Sure it's crazy and for that reason I've only been tempted into it twice in 5.5 years of owning my Scoob. I would still argue that hooning around most country roads above the speed limits is by FAR more dangerous than my single runs with sod all traffic.
And how crazy is crazy. 100mph, 120mph, 140mph, 160mph or 180mph. Where do you draw the line?
I'm in no way condoning speeding; we all do it. I'll happily admit to doing wrong, but I would argue at being completely wreckless. Most people that lecture others on speeding don't see their own faults driving through a built-up area at 35-40 instead of 30 or driving on the motorway at 90 or driving far too close to the vehicle in front.
Of course, they're not wreckless in any way, it's just these eejits driving that fast
Stefan
06 December 2004, 03:50 PM
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i have been approx 180mph as a passenger in a mate's sierra 2wd sapphire cossie (420bhp/475lbft torque, t4 turbo, 8 injectors etc etc) on a stretch, same scenario as ozzy, top of hill, can see 2 miles down hill, 2 miles up again.
5am, clear morning, no other cars.
even with his 8 pot, 380mm front discs it took a good distance to slow down
looking out of side window was a blur!!!
although this was totally stupid and the consequnces would have been fatal.....GOD WHAT A RUSH!!!
5am, clear morning, no other cars.
even with his 8 pot, 380mm front discs it took a good distance to slow down
looking out of side window was a blur!!!
although this was totally stupid and the consequnces would have been fatal.....GOD WHAT A RUSH!!!
06 December 2004, 04:01 PM
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I'd be more worried about my tyres at higher speeds.
The major problem with high speeds on the road (even the motorway) would be the impulsiveness of it. Ohhh, car's going good, whhhhhhaaaarrrrppp... down the road as fast as possible. If you're on a trackday or similar, I guess most people would want to take maximum care of things like brake pads, tyre condition, tyre pressures, oil levels, coolant quality and level etc.
J.
The major problem with high speeds on the road (even the motorway) would be the impulsiveness of it. Ohhh, car's going good, whhhhhhaaaarrrrppp... down the road as fast as possible. If you're on a trackday or similar, I guess most people would want to take maximum care of things like brake pads, tyre condition, tyre pressures, oil levels, coolant quality and level etc.
J.
06 December 2004, 04:41 PM
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Certain people train on the public roads at >160mph and generally its fairly safe so long as you build upto this sort of speed and have the right training and know how to read the horizon. I remember when the guy from Japan did 200mph down the M3 they spent about 2 hours driving up and down checking for any debris on the road etc.
06 December 2004, 08:08 PM
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well a friend of mine drove my car and clocked 145 mph, told me it was fapping quick then when Ipointed out to him he still had 5th and 6th to go 
he calmly slowed right down and vowed never to drive it again
result i'd say
he calmly slowed right down and vowed never to drive it again
result i'd say
06 December 2004, 10:44 PM
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166mph
well............ i have had 166mph on the gps on empty road late at night,
and the only person at risk was me and the hedgehogs/foxes ect!
sti ra v8......."not std i may add"
cheers robin.
and the only person at risk was me and the hedgehogs/foxes ect!
sti ra v8......."not std i may add"
cheers robin.
07 December 2004, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jods
MY99 UK Turbo 2000 Standard except SS Back Box
Private test track, dry conditions.
Private test track, dry conditions.
errr cant see how that is possible unless it was when the car was new?
same setup here MY00 classic induction kit full decat and best i have got is 149 gps on a private aerodrome cold day and slightly wet.
Mind you saying that off to TSL in Feb for a "tune up" gonna see if the boys can give me the TSL333 treatment.
07 December 2004, 10:11 AM
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Saw this on an Inverness website on Friday. The thread has disappeared so I guess the guy was frightened the mods and speed runs mentioned in the thread would affect his chances of claiming under warranty.
07 December 2004, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DevilHimSelf
errr cant see how that is possible unless it was when the car was new?
same setup here MY00 classic induction kit full decat and best i have got is 149 gps on a private aerodrome cold day and slightly wet.
Mind you saying that off to TSL in Feb for a "tune up" gonna see if the boys can give me the TSL333 treatment.
same setup here MY00 classic induction kit full decat and best i have got is 149 gps on a private aerodrome cold day and slightly wet.
Mind you saying that off to TSL in Feb for a "tune up" gonna see if the boys can give me the TSL333 treatment.
LOL
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