caught doing 114.4mph -what should i expect?
05 December 2004, 01:12 PM
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Insurers will view your ban as worst than points on your licence. If/when you receive a ban, once you get your licence back it's not just a case of "I've paid the price, but I've got not points on my licence".
For instance, if you came in to rent a car from me, if you had points I'd look at how old you are, what points are on your licence and how old they are. However, if you've just got your licence back from a recent bad, then it would be a non starter.
Your insurers will work along the same lines. You will be insurable, but at an increased cost.
I got caught doing 100mph on the A46 on a dry sunny day with very quiet road conditions. My employer sent a letter to the Court explaining that it would put my job in a precarious position if I received a ban. I then spent some time rehearsing a double A4 script I wrote explaining my regrets etc etc.
I ended up with 6 points, £150 fine and £30 costs. My mate got caught by the exactly same policeman in the same lay-by 2 weeks later on a bike and got banned for 2 weeks.
You could join the Masons and hope you bump into the judge at "The Lodge". :-)
For instance, if you came in to rent a car from me, if you had points I'd look at how old you are, what points are on your licence and how old they are. However, if you've just got your licence back from a recent bad, then it would be a non starter.
Your insurers will work along the same lines. You will be insurable, but at an increased cost.
I got caught doing 100mph on the A46 on a dry sunny day with very quiet road conditions. My employer sent a letter to the Court explaining that it would put my job in a precarious position if I received a ban. I then spent some time rehearsing a double A4 script I wrote explaining my regrets etc etc.
I ended up with 6 points, £150 fine and £30 costs. My mate got caught by the exactly same policeman in the same lay-by 2 weeks later on a bike and got banned for 2 weeks.
You could join the Masons and hope you bump into the judge at "The Lodge". :-)
05 December 2004, 03:23 PM
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Hi stivie
If you were stopped and you gave over your identification. Then there is very little that you will be able to argue against. The magistrates always believe the copper over you.
The thing to do now is damage limitation. When you go to court wear a smart suit, have a prepared statement on how sorry you are, get a letter from your boss ( if you have one) explaining that your an invaluable member of the firm and the loss of your licence could jeopardise your employment with the usual consequences. ( loss of home, family and most importantly your beloved scooby)
If you were stopped and you gave over your identification. Then there is very little that you will be able to argue against. The magistrates always believe the copper over you.
The thing to do now is damage limitation. When you go to court wear a smart suit, have a prepared statement on how sorry you are, get a letter from your boss ( if you have one) explaining that your an invaluable member of the firm and the loss of your licence could jeopardise your employment with the usual consequences. ( loss of home, family and most importantly your beloved scooby)
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05 December 2004, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by stivie
Thanks for the feedback - if ( when ) they ban me and and i get back my licence, will i have to resit the test or just simply apply for a new one.
also in regards to the points on licence, when i contact my insurance company - elephant in this case - and let let them know, will this affect my premium as hopefully i wont have any extra points and i will still have my full no claims.
Or will the ban mean a stupid premium anyway
also in regards to the points on licence, when i contact my insurance company - elephant in this case - and let let them know, will this affect my premium as hopefully i wont have any extra points and i will still have my full no claims.
Or will the ban mean a stupid premium anyway
I'm with elephant and they said they would have cancelled the insurance if my ban was for 30 days (it was for 28), they have also refused to insure my other car and have said they will not reinsure me next year.
IMHO Elephant are crap, they charged me 400 quid extra for 3 points last year as well.
05 December 2004, 05:31 PM
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I work for a large insurance company and was told (When I got caught and possibly faced a ban) by one of our underwriters that the ban would make no difference to my premium at all. Its classed as an SP30 or 50 and thats a cat A conviction for which we do not load.
The other thing worth noting is that if you have legal cover on your insurance policy, they will provide a solicitor to defend you. Might save you a few beans.
Cheers.
The other thing worth noting is that if you have legal cover on your insurance policy, they will provide a solicitor to defend you. Might save you a few beans.
Cheers.
05 December 2004, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Snap but 6 points and £450 fine + costs.
Snap but 3 points and £250 + costs.
No, you don't know me.
Snap but 3 points and £250 + costs.
No, you don't know me.
I've asked before (and got no response) and I'll ask again now. If your solicitor knows of some arguement which can avoid a ban at >110mph, please share it with the rest of us. You would be doing scoobynet members a big favour, maybe enough to save someone his/her job.
To my (solicitor's) knowledge there is no discretion permitted by the current guidelines which will allow someone to walk out of court with their license if caught at >110 mph in a 70mph limit. Between 100 and 110mph the magistrate has discretion to impose a 6 point penalty and a big fine, but not when caught at >110mph.
When did this offence take place and when did it go to court? I simply do not think that what you have said is possible with current guidelines. If you know something we don't, please share.
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05 December 2004, 06:29 PM
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Almost definite ban unfortunately, unless of course your a Police Chief or you happen to be related to David Blunkett, Tony Liar or John Prescott!
05 December 2004, 06:38 PM
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I think the definate ban thing is a no go'er, was watching police cam action or what ever the program was and a biker got caught doing 133mph on motorway, he got 9 points and a fine, but no ban. Don't ask me how but thats what happened, when they spoke to him after the court case he said the junction before he got caught he was doing 170mph!!!!
05 December 2004, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Classic
I work for a large insurance company and was told (When I got caught and possibly faced a ban) by one of our underwriters that the ban would make no difference to my premium at all. Its classed as an SP30 or 50 and thats a cat A conviction for which we do not load.
The other thing worth noting is that if you have legal cover on your insurance policy, they will provide a solicitor to defend you. Might save you a few beans.
Cheers.
The other thing worth noting is that if you have legal cover on your insurance policy, they will provide a solicitor to defend you. Might save you a few beans.
Cheers.
As soon as I got my 6 points I informed my insurers (non disclosure etc) and it went up £45. Are you saying that with a ban, your company wouldn't have upped the premium? Who are you insurers with?
05 December 2004, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
Spoon, forgive me if I'm a little skeptical but what you have said in this (and previous) threads seems to be at odds with everyone else's experience.
I've asked before (and got no response) and I'll ask again now. If your solicitor knows of some arguement which can avoid a ban at >110mph, please share it with the rest of us. You would be doing scoobynet members a big favour, maybe enough to save someone his/her job.
To my (solicitor's) knowledge there is no discretion permitted by the current guidelines which will allow someone to walk out of court with their license if caught at >110 mph in a 70mph limit. Between 100 and 110mph the magistrate has discretion to impose a 6 point penalty and a big fine, but not when caught at >110mph.
When did this offence take place and when did it go to court? I simply do not think that what you have said is possible with current guidelines. If you know something we don't, please share.
I've asked before (and got no response) and I'll ask again now. If your solicitor knows of some arguement which can avoid a ban at >110mph, please share it with the rest of us. You would be doing scoobynet members a big favour, maybe enough to save someone his/her job.
To my (solicitor's) knowledge there is no discretion permitted by the current guidelines which will allow someone to walk out of court with their license if caught at >110 mph in a 70mph limit. Between 100 and 110mph the magistrate has discretion to impose a 6 point penalty and a big fine, but not when caught at >110mph.
When did this offence take place and when did it go to court? I simply do not think that what you have said is possible with current guidelines. If you know something we don't, please share.
05 December 2004, 07:29 PM
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Got caught several years ago doing 110 on a laser gun with camera,court visit attended with me representing myself,i pleaded guilty but to a slight ignorance to the speed i was travelling at, remember you are being done for exceeding 70 mph not doing 100 +.
The company solicitor said he could only get me a 6 week ban at best, ohh and £700 for his services, i chose well not to use him.
I walked away with 6 points and £150 fine and a pat on the back from the court usher who said i played a blinder by calling the 2 magistrates your worship, when the asked me why i called them that they seemed impressed i knew that was the correct way to address a magistrate.
I was a very relieved chappy though and left will my tail firmly between my legs and a very brown tongue.
The company solicitor said he could only get me a 6 week ban at best, ohh and £700 for his services, i chose well not to use him.
I walked away with 6 points and £150 fine and a pat on the back from the court usher who said i played a blinder by calling the 2 magistrates your worship, when the asked me why i called them that they seemed impressed i knew that was the correct way to address a magistrate.
I was a very relieved chappy though and left will my tail firmly between my legs and a very brown tongue.
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05 December 2004, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
and a pat on the back from the court usher who said i played a blinder by calling the 2 magistrates your worship
05 December 2004, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
Spoon, forgive me if I'm a little skeptical but what you have said in this (and previous) threads seems to be at odds with everyone else's experience.
I've asked before (and got no response) and I'll ask again now. If your solicitor knows of some arguement which can avoid a ban at >110mph, please share it with the rest of us. You would be doing scoobynet members a big favour, maybe enough to save someone his/her job.
To my (solicitor's) knowledge there is no discretion permitted by the current guidelines which will allow someone to walk out of court with their license if caught at >110 mph in a 70mph limit. Between 100 and 110mph the magistrate has discretion to impose a 6 point penalty and a big fine, but not when caught at >110mph.
When did this offence take place and when did it go to court? I simply do not think that what you have said is possible with current guidelines. If you know something we don't, please share.
I've asked before (and got no response) and I'll ask again now. If your solicitor knows of some arguement which can avoid a ban at >110mph, please share it with the rest of us. You would be doing scoobynet members a big favour, maybe enough to save someone his/her job.
To my (solicitor's) knowledge there is no discretion permitted by the current guidelines which will allow someone to walk out of court with their license if caught at >110 mph in a 70mph limit. Between 100 and 110mph the magistrate has discretion to impose a 6 point penalty and a big fine, but not when caught at >110mph.
When did this offence take place and when did it go to court? I simply do not think that what you have said is possible with current guidelines. If you know something we don't, please share.
My first judge was a motorsport fan who even wished me good look with the forthcoming racing season after summing up.
The second judge was a little more severe sounding with the 133mph charge especially when he heard I was slowing down fairly rapidly when caught. His final words were "you should know better, we haven't done this before and we aren't likely to do it again".
The Police actually helped in their evidence as they said the road conditions were good and there was no traffic.
It was only a short blast, which I think the Police belived as I had just come onto the motorway to test the cars boost that had just been reset to 32psi.
They even failed to mention the flames on slowing down in court which they smirked about when they stopped me.
It was on the very day it was splashed on the front of every newspaper that any driver above 100mph was to be banned. It didn't look good. It turned out fine however, despite 6 solicitors in the court building taking odds on the length of my ban.
Overall, my solicitor played a blinder, the police were fair, my remorseful face was working well, the extremely good looking girl on the bench appeared slightly amused at my remorseful face, the judge was swayed by the extremely good looking girls opinions and I was lucky.
05 December 2004, 10:54 PM
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102 mph on M180 got me 6 points + £400 fine. My father had just had a stroke and was in hospital, i was rushing up from birmingham to see him. Got cought by a unmarked scamera van on an empty motorway at lunchtime in fantastic visability. Van was parked around a bend just after a bridge, there was no way of seeing it until it was too late.
I was lucky insurance wise, working on a contract at LV at the time and they said that points make no difference a ban and they would have refused to insure me.
I got a solicitor to attend court with me, it ended up costing me over £600 in legal fees.
Lesson learnt, although i have great contemt for the humberside police and their tactics.
I was lucky insurance wise, working on a contract at LV at the time and they said that points make no difference a ban and they would have refused to insure me.
I got a solicitor to attend court with me, it ended up costing me over £600 in legal fees.
Lesson learnt, although i have great contemt for the humberside police and their tactics.
05 December 2004, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gpssti4
Really depends on many things - where it was and when, weather conditions, time of day, the magistrate etc.
2 examples of a friend of mine (the same guy so he didn't learn)
1 - Average speed of 133mph on a duel carriage way in good visability, clear road: 18 month ban and £800 fine. (He was actually going a lot faster but he saw them and managed to brake to 100mph, but his average was 133!)
2 - Late at night on another duel at 104mph - no ban, 6 points (I believe) and a fine of a few hundred quid (£300/£400???)
Just show remorse and make them believe that you've learnt you lesson and keep your fingers crossed.
2 examples of a friend of mine (the same guy so he didn't learn)
1 - Average speed of 133mph on a duel carriage way in good visability, clear road: 18 month ban and £800 fine. (He was actually going a lot faster but he saw them and managed to brake to 100mph, but his average was 133!)
2 - Late at night on another duel at 104mph - no ban, 6 points (I believe) and a fine of a few hundred quid (£300/£400???)
Just show remorse and make them believe that you've learnt you lesson and keep your fingers crossed.
06 December 2004, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Brit_in_Japan - Unfortunately there is no magic answer, if there was I'd share it.
My first judge was a motorsport fan who even wished me good look with the forthcoming racing season after summing up.
The second judge was a little more severe sounding with the 133mph charge especially when he heard I was slowing down fairly rapidly when caught. His final words were "you should know better, we haven't done this before and we aren't likely to do it again".
The Police actually helped in their evidence as they said the road conditions were good and there was no traffic.
It was only a short blast, which I think the Police belived as I had just come onto the motorway to test the cars boost that had just been reset to 32psi.
They even failed to mention the flames on slowing down in court which they smirked about when they stopped me.
It was on the very day it was splashed on the front of every newspaper that any driver above 100mph was to be banned. It didn't look good. It turned out fine however, despite 6 solicitors in the court building taking odds on the length of my ban.
Overall, my solicitor played a blinder, the police were fair, my remorseful face was working well, the extremely good looking girl on the bench appeared slightly amused at my remorseful face, the judge was swayed by the extremely good looking girls opinions and I was lucky.
My first judge was a motorsport fan who even wished me good look with the forthcoming racing season after summing up.
The second judge was a little more severe sounding with the 133mph charge especially when he heard I was slowing down fairly rapidly when caught. His final words were "you should know better, we haven't done this before and we aren't likely to do it again".
The Police actually helped in their evidence as they said the road conditions were good and there was no traffic.
It was only a short blast, which I think the Police belived as I had just come onto the motorway to test the cars boost that had just been reset to 32psi.
They even failed to mention the flames on slowing down in court which they smirked about when they stopped me.
It was on the very day it was splashed on the front of every newspaper that any driver above 100mph was to be banned. It didn't look good. It turned out fine however, despite 6 solicitors in the court building taking odds on the length of my ban.
Overall, my solicitor played a blinder, the police were fair, my remorseful face was working well, the extremely good looking girl on the bench appeared slightly amused at my remorseful face, the judge was swayed by the extremely good looking girls opinions and I was lucky.
If anyone knows of instances where someone has got away without being banned for >110mph in the last 2 years, please tell all.
06 December 2004, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kip
if you get caught doing over 100mph you will get a ban with out question m8
Quite simply pie in the sky. have you read any of the above?
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