super_si

while on the subject of vetinary. Whats EQ?? heard about that in big cycles.

I was told on Winny no need for PCT, so even i wasnt going to bother on that wee cycle

milo

whoever told you that is misinformed. you should run proper PCT after any steroid usage. even mild doses of anavar (which is milder than winny) have been proven to shut people down faster than we used to believe, and the risk of not running PCT isn't worth it.

eq is boldenone undecylenate. its a derivate of testosterone. its pretty mild and will build keepable lean gains. very few sides. usually its run in much longer (14-20 week+) cycles. it'll increase your appetite vastly too. will also increase vascularity and hardness. you know the old saying.. if its good enough for a race horse, its good enough for me

moses

milo where can i get pct

im gonna go on winstrol for a week starting on sunday and then keep off it for a week and to see if my ding dong still gets hard or something and then i will go on it again for a week and off etc,

moses

http://ast-ss.com/articles/article.asp?AID=195

im starting this today

milo

its prescription only.

running winny week on / week off is crazy. you wont get anything off that apart from temporarily screwing with your body. and to experiment to "see if your ding dong still gets hard" is insane. what are you planning on doing if it doesn't?

are you reading any of the replies people are making?

moses

mate i am mate and im taking it in, thanks for the advice, but i have to try it just for once to see how it works, God willing i wont get addicted to it, if it doesnt get hard, im def stopping these drugs, and if its ok after a week im gonna continue to take it for max a month and after that do some proper training and use clen , gaba, and e form only

POC

moses you are mad, gonna do yourself some serious damage. For gods sake listen to what Milo (and everyone else!) is telling you. In fact, you are past mad if you are going to use these drugs, you just dont seem to comprehend the potential damage you are going to be doing yourself!

super_si

some one has to say it

Your a ****ing idiot. Sorry ive bit my tounge here. Have you not learnt a thing thats being said off people with experience??

Your going to end up being one of these stats that died on roids through pure ignorance and knowledge, then used against people who take with care! ridiculous

LG John

I must say this thread has amazed me!!!

Moses, when deciding to modify your EVO to 100billion lbft you seemed to research every single part, took the whole engine out the car and sent it off to have it all professionally built then tested on a test bed before being slotted back into your car pefectly! No expense spared, etc.

Yet??!! When its your body you seem perfectly content do jump in at the deep end and fire any old **** down it to see what happens. Why didn't you do this with the evo? You could have saved yourself a lot of time and money and just slapped on a boost controller and snapped her open at 5 bar. You'd have your 100billion lbft of torque albeit for 2s!!

The difference here is that if you had done that the evo engine is replaceable. Your engine is not!!!!

CC

On the subject of vet pharmaceuticals i'm getting rather excited about starting some tren within a couple of weeks . I've never experienced it before and from what i've read it seems to be the daddy with significant sides,.....had to laugh at a profile of tren on some website which read as :

"....God himself was on Trenbolone when he created the world in seven days" lol .

Hey if it's good enough for Him it's good enough for me. Amen.

milo

some tips...

make sure you have the right gear on-hand in case of tren-induced gyno. that **** is not funny and won't be cured with nolva. get some bromo on hand (this will stop it) and run b6 throughout for an attempt at prevention. tren gyno is rare but is much harder to control than test gyno.

also make sure you stack tren with test prop. tren alone isnt funny either if you're planning on having sex. you could add some winny in there too, assuming you've used both prop and winny in the past.

if you're running the acetate version of tren, run EOD injections with 100mg prop and 75mg tren ace... also run the prop 1 week longer than the tren. and dont stay on the tren for more than 8 weeks your first time with it.

have good pct planned. i would highly recommend running hcg either as part of your pct, or throughout if you aren't someone who recovers easily.

EXSCOOBY

and here i was thinking i was the only "self obsessed gym freek"
that what some girl who works with me calls me
although ive got a shocking cold and hvent been to the gym for 3 days!!!!!!!!!!!

CC

cheers for info...

i'm gona stack it with winny and a small amount of test, got some proviron too. bromo i'm not really familiar with is it otc?

milo

bromo is bromocriptine. you could use dostinex instead. you should make yourself familiar with both. you need something to counter progesterone induced gyno, and proviron wont help with this.

have you ever run any compounds that can can cause progesterone gyno before.. if so, are you prone to it?

btw, make sure you have good PCT in place. tren shuts you down harder than anything else. how is your recovery?

yoza

With regards to your crossing the road analigy...

You cant purposely inject yourself with a car.


I see where your coming from, but this lad knew the score and he knew the risks.....remember not all advice is good advice.

And you need to remember that not all people react the same to certain given doses.

Sorry about the spelling, some ****** has moved my dictionary....

milo

no, but you CAN cross the road without looking, just like you can run steroids blind too. whereas the people that cross the road after looking first (just like people who take steroids with proper knowledge) don't seem to have too many problems.

with regards to doses - yes, everyone responds differently, which is why you start with a modest dose and see how you respond.

i can almost guarantee the guy you heard about did not have regular blood tests, liver profiles and cholestoral tests, and/or did not run perfect cycles with perfect pct and off-times.

remember, most steroid users are only using larger doses of what doctors prescribe for HRT to millions of people anyway.

i also find it slightly odd that you shun the use of anabolics (the majority of which are just increased doses of what is produced endogenously anyway) for sports performance due to the risks involved, yet you choose to drink and take recreational drugs simply because "you like them"

moses

kenny mate (saxo) haha well put mate but didnt u hear, i changed my engine spec 4 times in a yr well that shows how impatient i am my friend , i just dont have patience to wait, i want my thin body back i want it now

God willing im not gonna go grazy at all paul(poc), im gonna take it easy, i didnt even bother taking the roids yet, i wanted to try clen and gabba and e form only coz their the safest from the lot and also their not roids, im gonna give winstrol a miss at the mo, i know mate, the risks, i hope it doesnt happen, but i dont have the will power to go on a strict diet, thats the main enemy for me, each time i go on a diet, i have a food frenzy thats worse than ever before, this way im not depriving myself but cutting some stuff out.

milo

bro, i dont think you're getting this... if you can't stick to a diet, you WON'T lose a decent amount of fat, and any fat you do lose WON'T stay off of you.

there isn't any way around this.

Warwick-hunt

whats pct stand for?

does anyone enter bodybuilding competitions each year,

super_si

Post cycle theropy.

Gets ********* working again , basically starts the bodys natural testosterone production?

Im sure Milo will elabourate

Si

ozzy

Sorry, but if anyone needs steroids just to lose lots of excess fat then they're either a) taking the p!ss of b) completely off their trolleys and have no idea what they're on about

If you want to lose weight, sort your diet out 1st. Speed up your metabolism by eating small regular meals. If you want to gain muscle, then start lifting heavy weights and be very disciplined. Follow the simple advice and you'll get results.

Even 'roids ain't a quickfix. They're no magic pills, drinks or injections for beginners. If you are a serious BB or powerlifter I can see the appeal and necessity to get the benefits from steroids, but for you average guy I can't see the logic to be honest, especially if they haven't bothered training or eating properly

Stefan

yoza

http://www.drugs.com/drug/pregnyl

I used the above to kickstart my natural testosterone production after a course.

POC

lol moses, go crazy at me if you like, simple fact is that at the begining of last year I shed over 5 stone, so I (like many of the others voicing on this thread) know what Im talking about!

Sort the diet, thats 80% of the effort, throw in some exercise and the weight will shift, its as simple as that

moses

thanks paul i have been trying now mate, u guys convinced me, but i aint stopping clen, haha i luv the results, cant believe how fast it works nice one


cheers

backdoors

so how small do your nuts shrink?

Peccant

you lot are bonkers!! (exactly how small? - dying to know)

moses

lol clen dont make it shrink mate it aint a steriod

but i heard roids do, winstrol can either make it larger or smaller u wanna risk it

milo

clen doesnt cause any shrinkage.

the only drugs that cause your nuts to shrink are those that supress your natural test levels. how much shrinkage depends on you, your dose and what drugs you're running. some people get away with no shrinkage at all even at high doses with very supressive compounds. other people go on mild-moderate cycles and end up with nuts the size of marbles within a few weeks.

they get back to full size post-cycle of course if pct is right. and shrinkage can be minimized or even eliminated with the use of hcg during cycle.

yoza

They ache when they grow back, like a very tight underpants ache..

I kid you not.

TurboKitty

Personally, having read this thread, I'm seriously considering getting hooked on cocaine and taking up smoking. Sod this healthy diet and exercise thing, there must be an easier way...



If I can snort enough coke to dissolve my nose, that'll already be a few grams lost.