ARRON BIRD

Simon shut it.
You know I prefer to leave my wellies in my garage.
Makes the seats dirty

p1doc

better and faster all imho arron, i felt on driving it along the same route(and a bit extra as i was allowed out on my own) it had the same or higher speeds at certain points and cornered better,the dealer said he was all over a wr1 on track recently(do not know which track) as he could hold much higher speeds around the corners than the wr1,pop to your local dealer and test drive one-if nothing else it drives totally differently due to suspension/tyres.
i was told by the tsl mapper richard that 1.35 is the limit for reliability 1.4 can give you more power but shortens the turbo's lifespan
martin

terryb

An 05 STI will be running on RE040's - and these alone will save seconds a lap over different tyres - stick these on a WR1 and that too would be a lot quicker - pity they don't do them in 18".

TonyBurns

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They run RE070's, i take it thats what you mean?

Tony

PS, the Solberg car did actually come with RE070's but they replaced these wheels with the 18's.

terryb

Duh... Yeah that's what I meant - they are fantastic tyres - have driven a Type 25 with them on and they will make a massive difference to track-times. Would be interesting to stick the original wheel/ tyre combo on a WR1 to see how it performed on track.

When EVO did the group test back in the May edition there was only 0.8s between the WR1 and the P1 - but I really believe it would have been quite a bit more if the WR1 had the same tyres as the Spec C and Type 25 that were 4s quicker.

TonyBurns

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True, the P1 and WR1 both have Pirelli tyres, the Spec C and Type 25 the Bridgestones, but id personally say that the Pirelli's are a bit more compromising in everyday life than the RE070's, which are excellent in the dry, very good in the wet and a little dangerous on greasy surfaces though still progressive in feedback.
You also have to consider that the 4 secs on that lap had a little more to do with the setup of both the Spec C and the Type 25 (plus there is a weight difference between these 2 cars and the WR1 of over 100kg), the power delivery is better on the twin scroll turbo, much more lower down grunt, and the closer ratio'd 5th and 6th gears mean that they pull harder higher up the rev range, though the difference in gearing may only be approximately 13mph (top speed if unrestricted on the WR1) it does make quite a bit of difference.
Though the Spec C and Type 25 are a much more focused Impreza, less compromising and more demanding to drive, the WR1 wasnt meant to be like this, it was meant to be able to just let the driver start it up and enjoy the miles without having to concentrate all the time, yet still give you the feeling of being a potential rally driver thus the reason Prodrive designed it for road use over track use.

Tony

T5NYW

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Agreed . It was more commercialy viable to produce a Powerful, slightly 'softer' UK Car than a WR1 spec C version. I doubt if IM/Prodrive could have ever sold 500 "WR1's" if had been made from Spec C's.

It may have inticed more P1 owners and peeps who were thinking of going down the more raw/import route. This could then havel keeped them in the UK umbrella It was a "missing" that a Choice of a 'Soft' and 'Harder' versions of the WR1 wern't available IMHO

Tony

ARRON BIRD

A point I have been trying to make for some time
Martin the PPP map in the 05 car isnt as good as the WR1 I believe Mike will back me up on this point.....making the car not as quick.

ARRON BIRD

I would say that the T25 is as heavy if not heavier than the Wr1????

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Nope, The T25 in most cases is based upon a Spec C ltd, weighing in at 1370kg, this v the 1470kg of the wr1 makes it somewhat lighter (i think there is minimal if no difference in the weight of the engine). You can choose what you wish to convert to a T25 i believe, so you can also be correct if a none Spec C car is used

Tony

T5NYW

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IIRC (MY04) the T25 Spec C was roughly £1K dearer than the T25 STi

That's why I said, it was a shame IM didn't do say 400 WR1 STi's and 200 WR1 Spec C's and given the consumer a little bit more choice

Tony

Dazza's-STi

Exactly the same position as me m8...

Dazza's-STi

I can't belive this still goes on... that the Wr1 is massivly quicker than a Sti PPP... its Bo!!ox... I've not seen one single bit of video where a wr1 has simply driven past a PPP... has anyone???? I had roll on run with fellow Scoob driver in a Wr1 and there was nothing in it... If the wr1 was really 2.5seconds quicker to the ton it would have just left me....! it didn't simple!
Also we met at a track and had a top afternoon blasting around he was a very good driver, really pushing it... but still it posted exactly the same times as me and for that matter my m8 mate in a Fq300 and I had the standard springs still... not the prodrive jobs...!

Never knocked the WR1 as a car.... just the daft performace figures...
If i get chance to run mine alongside another Wr1 and it really does the dead I'll be the first to say so! And i'll do a full rundown on here... If it slowly pulls past then thats what I'd expect for 10bhp per tonne advantge...!


Dazza

ARRON BIRD

Dazza I have had an STI with the 305 map.
I`m not sure if the 05 car has a different map to my old car but I have been assured that there will never be a map like the WR1.
The WR1 just holds its boost longer........thats the only difference.....but the diff.....well please done even compare for fear of insulting me and thats not good.
if you look at threads I have posted I cam along a guy in P`Bro with a decatted sti with a re-map.
I went past?????
No driver skill in a straight line drag???
I think he was a little suprised.
I`m not saying the WR1 is the fastest thing since sliced bread....indeed it is only faster than my old car due to not dropping boost......a little smoother too tho maybe.
Just holding the boost a little longer doeas a bit.
As far as the figures posted.........I have no reasone to doubt them given the way they were done and who was doing them.

Dazza's-STi

WTF Happy xmas m8...


At the end of the day,,, none of us will be happy unless we have a 675 bhp per tonne arial atom... it dosn't matter... really....

just had the Eibach sorings and ARB + drops done and its a different car.... untill the Atom comes... it will do... well happy

Dazzle....

ARRON BIRD

Lets not also forget that there are far better cars out there than the ones we have.
And me being lucky and having rich mates means I get to ragg em
I find it pretty easy to find faults in cars to be honest.
I cant say I have ever driven a "perfect" car.