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22 December 2004, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam M
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Power arguments are a different thing.
You are effectively saying you can't compare like with like if people are using non standard fuels.
Fair point, but Paul hasn't hidden anything about which fuel he is using, and he doesn't have this thread here for people to try and better his figures. He is merely stating what has happened. he has made it clear that his car is being set up for drag racing, not drag street driving, so why shouldn't he be allowed to do what he wants to get the best figures possible?
He isn't claiming the highest power on street gas, he is just stating his own results. if you think there is a competition, that is your problem. I don't think he gives a damn if he has broken the rules of your competition.
T-UK, We all know andy can achieve, but I think even he would admit that other people are more than capable of setting up a fast car, and also making pauls faster.
Actually, come to think of it, he probably wouldn't admit that!
Power arguments are a different thing.
You are effectively saying you can't compare like with like if people are using non standard fuels.
Fair point, but Paul hasn't hidden anything about which fuel he is using, and he doesn't have this thread here for people to try and better his figures. He is merely stating what has happened. he has made it clear that his car is being set up for drag racing, not drag street driving, so why shouldn't he be allowed to do what he wants to get the best figures possible?
He isn't claiming the highest power on street gas, he is just stating his own results. if you think there is a competition, that is your problem. I don't think he gives a damn if he has broken the rules of your competition.
T-UK, We all know andy can achieve, but I think even he would admit that other people are more than capable of setting up a fast car, and also making pauls faster.
Actually, come to think of it, he probably wouldn't admit that!
Stuart
22 December 2004, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by coulty
Adam I never did on this subject disagree with Paul's figures and know that he did post with optimax figures on his engine. I do however think that camparisons brought in with other cars are pointless unless of course they are done to the same standards as paul's results. Therefore using optimax to 99% of owners on this board as it a widely available and relatively cheap fuel with high enough octane.
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22 December 2004, 05:19 PM
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Am with paul on this one sorry.
Can't think of any 400bhp+ cars which don't use octane booster (normally NF) in every tank.
I did make 508bhp on just optimax, but you won't see me trying that too often!
Can't think of any 400bhp+ cars which don't use octane booster (normally NF) in every tank.
I did make 508bhp on just optimax, but you won't see me trying that too often!
22 December 2004, 05:37 PM
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I don't use octane booster now. Just Optimax. A 20G on a 2.5 should do a healthy 400 BHP on Optimax, P450 finds it a bit easier. But 400-450 BHP isn't in the top league of Scooby performance, for a daily used road car it isn't bad on Optimax.
22 December 2004, 05:47 PM
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Can't think of any 400bhp+ cars which don't use octane booster (normally NF) in every tank.
(I also have enough power to spin the wheels at 70mph)
one way of looking at it is an insurance policy.. (but you allways bend them hence the 6 - 7 degrees ign advance)
Paul will back me up when I ran 345bhp and 342lbft with a std internaled engine and a td05 we were using plain old optimax... no paint thinners, no toluene, no xylene, no MTBE, no IPA, no Methanol, no NitroMethane.. or erm race fuel
Im curious to see if i can get over 600bhp, and I think race fuel and a few other tricks I should be there, or thereabouts..
It isnt about power figures to me, im not in business.. its about having fun and not wasting the money I have spent on my car
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22 December 2004, 05:56 PM
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if it blows up, wont chasing numbers have been wasting the money you spent on your car? (serious question).
I am going to let others chase the numbers now. I have done my bit for long enough.
I know the car will run over 600bhp with the components I have sitting in my garage, (not andy f
) but if anything I am now seeking the largest area under the torque curve possible.
You simply can't enjoy a car that yields 600bhp up the top end, on the road at least.
Only thing I do like is that it has a larger off boost rev range so you can drive it without anything happeing if you want to.
Now that I know what the engine has lived through, I am confident that it is strong. I know I can still enjoy it at a lower figure with a more usable torque curve and more boost well below 3000rpm.
I am going to leave it to those with an important point to prove (such as paul) to push the limits. I am happier to know I was once up there with the big boys, allow them to race ahead and if finance allows and boredom requires it, then I may consider refitting a gt40 and returning to the rat race.
David, I admire your guts for being undetered despite having no earning potential from the results you will achieve. My wallet is retiring!
I am going to let others chase the numbers now. I have done my bit for long enough.
I know the car will run over 600bhp with the components I have sitting in my garage, (not andy f
) but if anything I am now seeking the largest area under the torque curve possible.You simply can't enjoy a car that yields 600bhp up the top end, on the road at least.
Only thing I do like is that it has a larger off boost rev range so you can drive it without anything happeing if you want to.
Now that I know what the engine has lived through, I am confident that it is strong. I know I can still enjoy it at a lower figure with a more usable torque curve and more boost well below 3000rpm.
I am going to leave it to those with an important point to prove (such as paul) to push the limits. I am happier to know I was once up there with the big boys, allow them to race ahead and if finance allows and boredom requires it, then I may consider refitting a gt40 and returning to the rat race.
David, I admire your guts for being undetered despite having no earning potential from the results you will achieve. My wallet is retiring!
22 December 2004, 06:23 PM
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I used to get slagged off at the rolling road days up here when I ran octane booster, but they wouldn't have known if I hadn't said so. Every result I've reported I've freely admitted what I've run. If you are pushing for best performance it is only natural to use high octane.
The "wildest" fuel I've run day to day is 10% methanol/90% Optimax, which did indeed give a 10% gain in power over Optimax for little expense. It was practical to do as I carried around a 5 litre can of methanol.
Being able to run more than anyone else on a given octane/spec is more to do with roller calibration/how close to the edge the car is mapped, not some magic fairy dust that some tuners have and others don't.
The "wildest" fuel I've run day to day is 10% methanol/90% Optimax, which did indeed give a 10% gain in power over Optimax for little expense. It was practical to do as I carried around a 5 litre can of methanol.
Being able to run more than anyone else on a given octane/spec is more to do with roller calibration/how close to the edge the car is mapped, not some magic fairy dust that some tuners have and others don't.
22 December 2004, 06:31 PM
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lol @ Adam, it's cold on your floor
FWIW I run with Optimax and a splash (10%) of methanol and a dribble of NF in the car at all times, 10% more power for less than £5 per fill up, the bang per buck is just too much to ignore !
I agree with the Optimax octane issues however and agree you cannot tune to the edge with any degree of repeatability. I guess I have an advantage here that as well as mapping commercially it is also a fantastically interesting hobby of mine ! (am I sad or what ? ) so when an event comes up I can tweek it to suit whatever octane Mr Shell has supplied
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FWIW I run with Optimax and a splash (10%) of methanol and a dribble of NF in the car at all times, 10% more power for less than £5 per fill up, the bang per buck is just too much to ignore !
I agree with the Optimax octane issues however and agree you cannot tune to the edge with any degree of repeatability. I guess I have an advantage here that as well as mapping commercially it is also a fantastically interesting hobby of mine ! (am I sad or what ? ) so when an event comes up I can tweek it to suit whatever octane Mr Shell has supplied
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22 December 2004, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tweenierob
I reckon there shoudl be a prize in this thread...
See which tuner can get away with the biggest sales pitch in a post
Rob
See which tuner can get away with the biggest sales pitch in a post
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22 December 2004, 11:12 PM
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Difficult one Rob, You and Paul make a formidable double act Have you thought about just sharing the same user name of course, that would never work
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Have you thought about just sharing the same user name of course, that would never work Andy
24 December 2004, 06:52 AM
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I sung your praises when i ran one of your 05/06's, now i run one of pauls turbo's... nothing more in it than that...
I could comment on me remapping one of your mapped cars... but that wouldnt be cricket
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I could comment on me remapping one of your mapped cars... but that wouldnt be cricket
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25 December 2004, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tweenierob
I reckon there shoudl be a prize in this thread...
See which tuner can get away with the biggest sales pitch in a post
Rob
See which tuner can get away with the biggest sales pitch in a post
Rob
Merry Christmas everybody
Hope to see you all next year
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09 January 2005, 01:33 PM
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No it is not, or at least it's not if you want to actually maintain a fuel pressure and have some safety factor.
Options are:
2 Walbro in tank pumps with new power feed.
1 intank large pump, such as Tomei unit
1 Intank bosch racing pump
External swirlpot/resevoir and an external bosch racing pump or 2.
Paul
Options are:
2 Walbro in tank pumps with new power feed.
1 intank large pump, such as Tomei unit
1 Intank bosch racing pump
External swirlpot/resevoir and an external bosch racing pump or 2.
Paul