The Sikhs are at it now!
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A neighbouring borough in B'ham are saying it's an outrage that the violence led to it being pulled and they're going to stage the play there. I'm glad to see they're not allowing the violent few to dictate what we can and can't see.
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Originally Posted by andrewdelvard
Exactly how bad an insult is it? What is the nature of the insult? Anyone know?
The play portrays sexual abuse and murder and it ocurrs within a sikh temple. Their objection is that the temple is sacred therefore this cannot be portrayed.
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'A slur'
Mr Singh explained that the content of the play was not the issue but the setting of the scenes.
He said: "We are not bothered about rape scenes or paedophiles - we know that there are good and bad people from every background and religion."
"The problem is having these things take place in a temple. Any religion would not take such a slur."
Mr Singh explained that the content of the play was not the issue but the setting of the scenes.
He said: "We are not bothered about rape scenes or paedophiles - we know that there are good and bad people from every background and religion."
"The problem is having these things take place in a temple. Any religion would not take such a slur."
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Listened to a Sikh guy on the radio this afternoon. His opinion was that , if people went to watch this play they would all think that what happens in the play, happens in all Sikh temples.
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Originally Posted by ajm
The play portrays sexual abuse and murder and it ocurrs within a sikh temple. Their objection is that the temple is sacred therefore this cannot be portrayed.
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What ever the subject, what ever the reason, i'm sick of a violent minority getting their way again. What sort of message does this send out?? If you don't agree with something, then violence will be tolerated and ultimately result in you getting your way??
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"We are concerned that people out there who don't know anything about Sikhs will see this and what sort of a picture will they have in their mind?
"They will paint all Sikhs with the same brush."
(Well by that token, the whole country now thinks that sikhs are violent.. so that worked well)
"They will paint all Sikhs with the same brush."
(Well by that token, the whole country now thinks that sikhs are violent.. so that worked well)
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As with nearly all peaceful protests, there's usually a small violent minory that ruins it for the rest. Recall the pro-fox-hunting protest; all English football fans are not hooligans et al.
Also, I wonder if the REP theatre would have staged such a play if the crimes were shown to have been comitted in a Mosque?!
Also, I wonder if the REP theatre would have staged such a play if the crimes were shown to have been comitted in a Mosque?!
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I doubt very much that the Sikhs would have bothered to protest as they did unless they honestly felt that it was an insult to their beliefs that such behaviour as depicted in the play happened in a temple.
I imagine that most people who have posted are deeply against religious beliefs. It is down to us what we believe of course. If you are irreligious however, then you would not understand how important certains things are to members of a religious faith and how easy it is to generate a very real insult in that respect.
In all fairness I think that we should all respect each other's beliefs and accept that in this case the Sikhs have got a genuine grievance aginst this play. Dont bother to accuse me of PC views, it has absolutely nothing to do with that.
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I imagine that most people who have posted are deeply against religious beliefs. It is down to us what we believe of course. If you are irreligious however, then you would not understand how important certains things are to members of a religious faith and how easy it is to generate a very real insult in that respect.
In all fairness I think that we should all respect each other's beliefs and accept that in this case the Sikhs have got a genuine grievance aginst this play. Dont bother to accuse me of PC views, it has absolutely nothing to do with that.
Les
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Just in case anyone's interested....
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/t...p?story=595098
Probably should be banned on the grounds of being total rubbish.
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/t...p?story=595098
Probably should be banned on the grounds of being total rubbish.
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In all fairness I think that we should all respect each other's beliefs
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Originally Posted by popeye
Just in case anyone's interested....
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/t...p?story=595098
Probably should be banned on the grounds of being total rubbish.
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/t...p?story=595098
Probably should be banned on the grounds of being total rubbish.
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Blueone - nope - I'm Sikh myself and don't really echo the views of the members of the Khalistan group !
The protest was peaceful with the small number of people who are violent. I don't think we should let these few ruin it for the other law abiding Sikhs.
I fully agree with Leslie's post. As a persecuted minority in history we've often put up with cr@p but I think nobody would deny it that if they can change something then they at least try. It seems a fair few of you may not be very religious so with all due respect I fail to see how you could consider this such a big deal. For Sikhs, religion is a complete way of life, in the same was Islam is to a Muslim. I would be interested to know that if this was set in a Mosque if it'd have the same effect, something which I beleive to be true.
In response to those who think that it's stupid to complain as people have been insulting/taking jibes at the CofE or Catholics so why should it be any different in this case - Maybe they don't feel strongly enough about what they believe in so they can't see the point of protesting.
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The protest was peaceful with the small number of people who are violent. I don't think we should let these few ruin it for the other law abiding Sikhs.
I fully agree with Leslie's post. As a persecuted minority in history we've often put up with cr@p but I think nobody would deny it that if they can change something then they at least try. It seems a fair few of you may not be very religious so with all due respect I fail to see how you could consider this such a big deal. For Sikhs, religion is a complete way of life, in the same was Islam is to a Muslim. I would be interested to know that if this was set in a Mosque if it'd have the same effect, something which I beleive to be true.
In response to those who think that it's stupid to complain as people have been insulting/taking jibes at the CofE or Catholics so why should it be any different in this case - Maybe they don't feel strongly enough about what they believe in so they can't see the point of protesting.
Jai
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Or maybe we hold religion in a more realistic sense of perspective in our lives, and are therefore able to laugh at ourselves occasionally rather than taking every slur so personally...??
That, i would argue, is how we have traditionally seen it in the UK.
That, i would argue, is how we have traditionally seen it in the UK.
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I'm all for a laugh but if you insult something so close to the hearts of many then where do you draw the line ? We are realistic, to the point that Sikhism is one of the most scientific religions known, its only 500 years old.
I can see what you're saying mate but I find it hard to sit back and watch as a writer sets scenes of rape etc. in a place I go to worship. The sanctity of the temple will not be the same.
Jai
I can see what you're saying mate but I find it hard to sit back and watch as a writer sets scenes of rape etc. in a place I go to worship. The sanctity of the temple will not be the same.
Jai
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Originally Posted by impreza_sports_nutter
. I would be interested to know that if this was set in a Mosque if it'd have the same effect, something which I beleive to be true.
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Jai, many people would say that therefore, if the religious intolerance of the UK, as you preceive it, doesn't suit you, there might be more suitable countries in which to seek residence, seeing as this is such a fundamental element of your life...
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Jai, many people would say that therefore, if the religious intolerance of the UK, as you preceive it, doesn't suit you, there might be more suitable countries in which to seek residence, seeing as this is such a fundamental element of your life...
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Well I agree with you TelBoy and I consider myself to be one of the most tolerant people I know.
Come and live in my country by all means. Make yourself at home, but start bitching about it once your feet are under the table and you can f**k right off as far as I'm concerned.
Come and live in my country by all means. Make yourself at home, but start bitching about it once your feet are under the table and you can f**k right off as far as I'm concerned.
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I don't know what this play is about but has anyone stopped to think that what this woman is saying or writing about could be true nd could be going on in this particular temple.
BTW I am with ajm on this and agree completely.
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Steve, Roman Catholic
BTW I am with ajm on this and agree completely.
Cheers
Steve, Roman Catholic
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
I don't know what this play is about but has anyone stopped to think that what this woman is saying or writing about could be true nd could be going on in this particular temple.
BTW I am with ajm on this and agree completely.
Cheers
Steve, Roman Catholic
BTW I am with ajm on this and agree completely.
Cheers
Steve, Roman Catholic
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There I can say that without fear of my windows getting put through!
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Telboy,
I didn't say there was religious intolerance, far from it. I'm a British Sikh,proud to be British and proud to be Sikh. You suggest that I seek residence in another country? That's a nice way of saying p!ss off isn't it ?
I just think that as a religious minority it may be difficult for those who are perhaps not of the same persuasion to understand where Sikhs are coming from.
Jap2Scrap - I'm sure a large number of people inthe UK do not feel that. As a Sikh I'd say that w've done extremely well to become assimilated into the fabric of the UK, whilst bringing new skills, new investment etc. It comes down to this - before this happened on how many occassions have you heard of the 'religious fanatical Sikhs' causing problems ? You'r tarring everybody,those who have a legitimate grievence and those who are taking the **** (Abu Hamza etc.), with the same brush
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I didn't say there was religious intolerance, far from it. I'm a British Sikh,proud to be British and proud to be Sikh. You suggest that I seek residence in another country? That's a nice way of saying p!ss off isn't it ?
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I just think that as a religious minority it may be difficult for those who are perhaps not of the same persuasion to understand where Sikhs are coming from.
Jap2Scrap - I'm sure a large number of people inthe UK do not feel that. As a Sikh I'd say that w've done extremely well to become assimilated into the fabric of the UK, whilst bringing new skills, new investment etc. It comes down to this - before this happened on how many occassions have you heard of the 'religious fanatical Sikhs' causing problems ? You'r tarring everybody,those who have a legitimate grievence and those who are taking the **** (Abu Hamza etc.), with the same brush
Jai
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No, no, no... You get me wrong. I'm not specifically aiming this at you or anyone else. If you can't see my point in my second post then you are blind. Any person who loves their country should be offended when someone migrates there and then begins to complain about the way of life there.
I have no problems with anybody living here, born here or not. What I hate is the example I've made above.
I have no problems with anybody living here, born here or not. What I hate is the example I've made above.