View Poll Results: Who was the greatest?
The Sex Pistols
37
51.39%
The Clash
28
38.89%
The Damned
5
6.94%
Siouxsie and the Banshees
4
5.56%
The Buzzcocks
7
9.72%
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The Greatest Punk Band.....
03 January 2005, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
Well, Rat has the distinction of his band being the first to release a punk single.....
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03 January 2005, 08:57 PM
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The only person who still looks the same is Iggy Pop! And he pre-dates Punk..... Im not sure that Punk was as English as wed like to believe, consider:
The Stooges
The Ramones
The New York Dolls
MC5
Oi !
The Stooges
The Ramones
The New York Dolls
MC5
Oi !
03 January 2005, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Did you do any Generation-X stuff? I bet you did.....
03 January 2005, 09:08 PM
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"In August 1973, with several other London King's Road shops, Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren's clothing store, Let It Rock, was invited to exhibit designs at the National Boutique show at New York's MacAlpin Hotel. They didn't sell any clothes, but McLaren did meet the New York Doll's Sylvain Sylvain. The Dolls had actually been to the Let It Rock shop on their first visit to London, but McLaren wasn't around. Under the Dolls' aegis, the Let It Rock crew were moved into the Chelsea Hotel where they rubbed elbows with celebrities like Alice cooper, Andy Warhol and a young poet named Patti Smith. McLaren had found his celebrity clique, and they made him feel at home.
When the Dolls returned to Europe in November 1973, McLaren followed them to every date. Many of the Doll's antics would foreshadow the Sex Pistols' publicity stunts, such as taunting the audience of the Old Grey Whistle Test, David Johansen making **** jokes, and Johnny Thunders walking off an airplane in front of the entire European press and -- bl-a-a-a-a-g-g-h-h! -- throwing up. McLaren had also encountered Iggy Pop that year, when David Bowie was producing Raw Power in England. "I found Iggy incredibly vain, because he was an incredibly handsome character," said McLaren. "But I wasn't taken with Iggy in the same way as I was with the Dolls. I think one of the reasons was because Iggy was less about fashion. I think it's a stupid thing to say, but it's the truth; I didn't see the fashion about Iggy."
McLaren's immediate reaction to his experiences with the Dolls was to give his shop a makeover, selling black fetish wear, abandoning and enraging their once loyal Teddy Boy clientele. He was on the verge of marrying his experience with subcultures, art and politics. In April 1974, McLaren gave his first extended interview for Nick Kent of the New Musical Express. The piece was called "The Politics of Flash." In a May 1974 letter to Roberta Bayley, he wrote, "I've written lyrics for a couple of songs, one called 'Too Fast To Live Too Young To Die.' I have the idea of the singer looking like Hitler, those gestures, arm shapes, etc., and talking about his mum in incestuous phrases."
It's largely believed that McLaren prefabricated the Sex Pistols from scratch, nabbing the shoplifting Steve Jones in his shop and sensing a connection like a Fagin to Jones' Artful Dodger. However, Jones was already a rocker who, from 1972-73, methodically stole clothes and equipment from the houses and shows of celebrities like Roxy Music, Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart. The greatest coup came in July 1973, when they made off the entire PA and very expensive Neumann microphones that were to be used for David Bowie's big concert at the Hammersmith Odeon. Ironically, the victims of their thefts were also their biggest influences. The group that formed in 1973 around the stolen equipment were called the Strand, after the Roxy Music song. Roxy Music's greatest innovation was the use of Brian Eno as an untutored synthesizer player. Like the New York Dolls, they made a point to teenagers alienated by inflated prog bands of the era, that style, not musicianship, was important.
By spring 1974, the band had not yet found its focus. Jones had been hanging around McLaren's shop, and eventually asked him if he knew of a rehearsal space. After a couple months of Jones' persistence, he paid for a room in the Covent Garden Community Centre. A few days later he stopped by a rehearsal, and witnessed disastrous attempts to play "Can't Get Enough of Your Love" and "Wild Thing." But he remained interested. "I had some sympathy with these guys, because they seemed a bit roguish and a bit mad." The one musician who already knew how to play, McLaren later found in Glen Matlock, a middle-class art student who was obsessed with Mod pop. "I never really got on with Glen," said Steve Jones, "I found him a bit poncified, he weren't one of the lads."
Still bedazzled with the allure of the New York Dolls, McLaren left for New York again in November 1974. He asked his friend Bernard Rhodes, whom he began working with to print slogans on T-shirts, to look after Steve Jones, meaning, "He's got this sort of group, maybe we can do something," said Rhodes. Before he left, they collaborated on a new T-shirt that was their first manifesto. It read, "You're gonna wake up one morning and know what side of the bed you've been lying on!" with a list of "hates" on the left, including "Television (Not the group)/Mick Jagger/The Playboy Club/Fellini" and other dead culture, pompous rockers and repressive institutions. On the right were the "loves," including "Jamaican Rude Boys/Archieshepp/Iggy Pop/Walt Whitman" and mysteriously, "Kutie Jones and his SEX PISTOLS.""
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When the Dolls returned to Europe in November 1973, McLaren followed them to every date. Many of the Doll's antics would foreshadow the Sex Pistols' publicity stunts, such as taunting the audience of the Old Grey Whistle Test, David Johansen making **** jokes, and Johnny Thunders walking off an airplane in front of the entire European press and -- bl-a-a-a-a-g-g-h-h! -- throwing up. McLaren had also encountered Iggy Pop that year, when David Bowie was producing Raw Power in England. "I found Iggy incredibly vain, because he was an incredibly handsome character," said McLaren. "But I wasn't taken with Iggy in the same way as I was with the Dolls. I think one of the reasons was because Iggy was less about fashion. I think it's a stupid thing to say, but it's the truth; I didn't see the fashion about Iggy."
McLaren's immediate reaction to his experiences with the Dolls was to give his shop a makeover, selling black fetish wear, abandoning and enraging their once loyal Teddy Boy clientele. He was on the verge of marrying his experience with subcultures, art and politics. In April 1974, McLaren gave his first extended interview for Nick Kent of the New Musical Express. The piece was called "The Politics of Flash." In a May 1974 letter to Roberta Bayley, he wrote, "I've written lyrics for a couple of songs, one called 'Too Fast To Live Too Young To Die.' I have the idea of the singer looking like Hitler, those gestures, arm shapes, etc., and talking about his mum in incestuous phrases."
It's largely believed that McLaren prefabricated the Sex Pistols from scratch, nabbing the shoplifting Steve Jones in his shop and sensing a connection like a Fagin to Jones' Artful Dodger. However, Jones was already a rocker who, from 1972-73, methodically stole clothes and equipment from the houses and shows of celebrities like Roxy Music, Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart. The greatest coup came in July 1973, when they made off the entire PA and very expensive Neumann microphones that were to be used for David Bowie's big concert at the Hammersmith Odeon. Ironically, the victims of their thefts were also their biggest influences. The group that formed in 1973 around the stolen equipment were called the Strand, after the Roxy Music song. Roxy Music's greatest innovation was the use of Brian Eno as an untutored synthesizer player. Like the New York Dolls, they made a point to teenagers alienated by inflated prog bands of the era, that style, not musicianship, was important.
By spring 1974, the band had not yet found its focus. Jones had been hanging around McLaren's shop, and eventually asked him if he knew of a rehearsal space. After a couple months of Jones' persistence, he paid for a room in the Covent Garden Community Centre. A few days later he stopped by a rehearsal, and witnessed disastrous attempts to play "Can't Get Enough of Your Love" and "Wild Thing." But he remained interested. "I had some sympathy with these guys, because they seemed a bit roguish and a bit mad." The one musician who already knew how to play, McLaren later found in Glen Matlock, a middle-class art student who was obsessed with Mod pop. "I never really got on with Glen," said Steve Jones, "I found him a bit poncified, he weren't one of the lads."
Still bedazzled with the allure of the New York Dolls, McLaren left for New York again in November 1974. He asked his friend Bernard Rhodes, whom he began working with to print slogans on T-shirts, to look after Steve Jones, meaning, "He's got this sort of group, maybe we can do something," said Rhodes. Before he left, they collaborated on a new T-shirt that was their first manifesto. It read, "You're gonna wake up one morning and know what side of the bed you've been lying on!" with a list of "hates" on the left, including "Television (Not the group)/Mick Jagger/The Playboy Club/Fellini" and other dead culture, pompous rockers and repressive institutions. On the right were the "loves," including "Jamaican Rude Boys/Archieshepp/Iggy Pop/Walt Whitman" and mysteriously, "Kutie Jones and his SEX PISTOLS.""
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Originally Posted by tiggers
The Clash with Siouxsie not far behind.
The Clash live were something to behold.
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The Clash live were something to behold.
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still sing the live version of SAFE EUROPEAN HOME to myself even now
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Originally Posted by brickboy
If the criteria is "the greatest original British punk band" then it's the Pistols, no questions. They were the inspiration for Strummer to leave his pub rock band and help form the Clash, the inspiration for the Buzzcocks, etc etc.
03 January 2005, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kbsub
there is some great live footage on RUDE BOY on DVD
still sing the live version of SAFE EUROPEAN HOME to myself even now
still sing the live version of SAFE EUROPEAN HOME to myself even now
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All Hail The Strummer.
Rude Boy brings back a few memories
Best song - White Man in the Hammersmith Palais
Can't argue with any of the choices though.
Saw Siouxsie live a couple of times - brilliant. Playground Twist
SLF up there as well as The Pistols, Stranglers, Damned, Buzzcocks, Ramones, Slaughter, Sham 69 (early stuff).
Still got all the old vinyl.
555 Markus - lucky man - GStQ was never actually released for sale on A&M so copies are extremely rare. These are worth £4 - £5k now!!!
Rude Boy brings back a few memories
Best song - White Man in the Hammersmith PalaisCan't argue with any of the choices though.
Saw Siouxsie live a couple of times - brilliant. Playground Twist
SLF up there as well as The Pistols, Stranglers, Damned, Buzzcocks, Ramones, Slaughter, Sham 69 (early stuff).
Still got all the old vinyl.
555 Markus - lucky man - GStQ was never actually released for sale on A&M so copies are extremely rare. These are worth £4 - £5k now!!!
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Never really counted The Stranglers as a punk band although the music press did. Maybe that's because I took a dislike to J-J Brunel after he threatened to smash my cameras. Anyway...long time ago now.
Best gig I went to during that whole era was Slaughter and The Dogs playing in The Factory in Manchester - I travelled over from Belfast especially for the gig and wasn't disappointed - their energy was something else. The Clash live were amazing and were probably the only people ever to cause a riot in the streets which wasn't related to the turmoil in Ulster at the time.
John Cooper Clarke's "I Married A Monster From Outer Space" still makes me giggle these days. "Big bug eyes and a death ray glare, feet like water wings and purple hair. I was over the moon, I aksed her back to my place and then I married the monster from outer space"
Ahh...the memories, the memories !
Best gig I went to during that whole era was Slaughter and The Dogs playing in The Factory in Manchester - I travelled over from Belfast especially for the gig and wasn't disappointed - their energy was something else. The Clash live were amazing and were probably the only people ever to cause a riot in the streets which wasn't related to the turmoil in Ulster at the time.
John Cooper Clarke's "I Married A Monster From Outer Space" still makes me giggle these days. "Big bug eyes and a death ray glare, feet like water wings and purple hair. I was over the moon, I aksed her back to my place and then I married the monster from outer space"
Ahh...the memories, the memories !
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The greatest punk band were, I'd argue, Joy Division. A little late, I'd agree, but entirely original, and unlike most, actually had something to say. A mention, also, for Stiff Little Fingers and The Only Ones.
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The Ramones undoubtedly the best punk band of them all bar none, unfortunately not British but still the granddaddy of them all, and will remain so.
UK punk bands –
Pistols for the shock culture,
Damned
SLF
Stranglers ( Punk / New wave)
Still have most of the original releases i.e. the first edition of “New Rose” they released it then re-released it about six months later if I remember correctly.
Jimmy Jimmy on green vinyl etc etc
UK punk bands –
Pistols for the shock culture,
Damned
SLF
Stranglers ( Punk / New wave)
Still have most of the original releases i.e. the first edition of “New Rose” they released it then re-released it about six months later if I remember correctly.
Jimmy Jimmy on green vinyl etc etc
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Originally Posted by the moose
The greatest punk band were, I'd argue, Joy Division. A little late, I'd agree, but entirely original, and unlike most, actually had something to say. A mention, also, for Stiff Little Fingers and The Only Ones.
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04 January 2005, 08:55 AM
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I think my rarest single from that era would be the Stranglers "Peaches" original picture sleeve (the blackmail font with band pic, not the peach with knickers on). The record is just the normal single, not the radioplay- which is disappointing. 
04 January 2005, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Joy Division; whilst excellent, arent Punk; New Wave perhaps.
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They just happened along at the same time as punk, but the energy they drew from it was incredible, though a mile away from the simplicity/naivety of The Ramones et al. Nevertheless, I defy you to listen to the guitar on She's Lost Control and tell me that's not punk.
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Originally Posted by the moose
That's why I said 'arguably'! They're hard to categorise - post-punk, perhaps, but not New Wave in the sense of being a poppier version of real punk (The Dickies and The Boomtown Rats being prime examples).
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Originally Posted by GC8
I completely agree; I struggled to describe them myself, they certainly werent New Wave as people see it now but New Wave was supposedly anything post/influenced by Punk, which they were. Still one of my favourite bands too...
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Joy Division are indeed hard to classify, but I don't think they are punk in the way The Pistols, The Clash etc. are. They were always too controlled for that (well except when Ian Curtis went into one of his stage trances of course).
I remember a quote from Tony Wilson when he saw them at a 'Battle of the Bands' competition:
'Out of the 10 bands there 9 were there because they wanted to be rock stars and Joy Division were there because they just f**king had to be'
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I remember a quote from Tony Wilson when he saw them at a 'Battle of the Bands' competition:
'Out of the 10 bands there 9 were there because they wanted to be rock stars and Joy Division were there because they just f**king had to be'
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Joy Division were just awesome - I managed to see them live and having seen a good few other bands previously didn't think they'd be that much different. I was genuinely scared by the atmosphere - very menacing, though this wasn't as a result of the bouncers or the audience. It was just the energy of the band, who were utterly unlike anything I'd seen before, or, to be honest, since, though The Smiths came close in terms of performance, and Springsteen did in terms of workrate.
Other punk bands I'd seen had been the sorts of people who were basically older versions of me - shouty, aggressive, but essentially normal. Ian Curtis was just from a different planet, and the rest of the band weren't far behind (Peter Hook has always been a monster) .... they changed the way I thought about music, and that's something The Clash never did.
Other punk bands I'd seen had been the sorts of people who were basically older versions of me - shouty, aggressive, but essentially normal. Ian Curtis was just from a different planet, and the rest of the band weren't far behind (Peter Hook has always been a monster) .... they changed the way I thought about music, and that's something The Clash never did.
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Hey moose,
That's so funny you paralleling The Smiths and Joy Division as those are my thoughts exactly. I saw them both live (The Smiths several times) and their performances were very intense and atmospheric. Definitely two of the best live bands I have ever witnessed.
As for Peter Hook I had heard all sorts of crazy things about him so when he spilled a pint over me in the Hacienda (in the early 80's when it was more of a venue than a club) I was expecting bad things. He apologised, bought me and my girlfriend a drink and sat chatting to us about all sorts for a couple of hours - totally different to what I was expecting.
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That's so funny you paralleling The Smiths and Joy Division as those are my thoughts exactly. I saw them both live (The Smiths several times) and their performances were very intense and atmospheric. Definitely two of the best live bands I have ever witnessed.
As for Peter Hook I had heard all sorts of crazy things about him so when he spilled a pint over me in the Hacienda (in the early 80's when it was more of a venue than a club) I was expecting bad things. He apologised, bought me and my girlfriend a drink and sat chatting to us about all sorts for a couple of hours - totally different to what I was expecting.
Regards,
tiggers.
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Originally Posted by tiggers
Hey moose,
That's so funny you paralleling The Smiths and Joy Division as those are my thoughts exactly. I saw them both live (The Smiths several times) and their performances were very intense and atmospheric. Definitely two of the best live bands I have ever witnessed.
As for Peter Hook I had heard all sorts of crazy things about him so when he spilled a pint over me in the Hacienda (in the early 80's when it was more of a venue than a club) I was expecting bad things. He apologised, bought me and my girlfriend a drink and sat chatting to us about all sorts for a couple of hours - totally different to what I was expecting.
Regards,
tiggers.
That's so funny you paralleling The Smiths and Joy Division as those are my thoughts exactly. I saw them both live (The Smiths several times) and their performances were very intense and atmospheric. Definitely two of the best live bands I have ever witnessed.
As for Peter Hook I had heard all sorts of crazy things about him so when he spilled a pint over me in the Hacienda (in the early 80's when it was more of a venue than a club) I was expecting bad things. He apologised, bought me and my girlfriend a drink and sat chatting to us about all sorts for a couple of hours - totally different to what I was expecting.
Regards,
tiggers.
Revenge was a HUGE mistake, mind you ........
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pete, you ****!!!!
i cant belive anyone can put the pistols ahead of the damned!!!!
musical content, diversity, looks, etc...
johnny rotten is a waste of space and sid vicious made less of an influence on up and coming musicians, then i did playing stairway to heaven in my bedroom!!!
ginger tosser....
the damned, the damned, the damned.....
BB
i cant belive anyone can put the pistols ahead of the damned!!!!
musical content, diversity, looks, etc...
johnny rotten is a waste of space and sid vicious made less of an influence on up and coming musicians, then i did playing stairway to heaven in my bedroom!!!
ginger tosser....
the damned, the damned, the damned.....
BB
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Originally Posted by thundertiger
pete, you ----!!!!
i cant belive anyone can put the pistols ahead of the damned!!!!
musical content, diversity, looks, etc...
johnny rotten is a waste of space and sid vicious made less of an influence on up and coming musicians, then i did playing stairway to heaven in my bedroom!!!
ginger tosser....
the damned, the damned, the damned.....
BB
i cant belive anyone can put the pistols ahead of the damned!!!!
musical content, diversity, looks, etc...
johnny rotten is a waste of space and sid vicious made less of an influence on up and coming musicians, then i did playing stairway to heaven in my bedroom!!!
ginger tosser....
the damned, the damned, the damned.....
BB
Yes, but The Damned were never exactly musical visionaries, were they? Perhaps it's just me, but they went on too long, and always seemed to be a bit of a comedy band, to be honest. Oh, and vastly undertalented, though the Black Album (the original double album) had some quality moments.