wacky.banana

Exactly. Hope you will remember these comments when you shoot off to someone else's country and expect them to speak English to you....

r32

Had they banned black or coloured people they would be prosecuted for discrimination, so surely the same applies?

M444GY

iTrader: (72)

wtf

f*cking cnutry going pc again!!!!!!

anc-sti

With respect to the power boats all it will effect in the short term is a few businesses, we've had record increases in the levels of tourists since foot and mouth up here.

It won't make the slightest difference in a couple of years.

Personally I'm glad they've been given the boot as there have been fatal accidents caused by muppets who haven't got a clue.

turboman786

Reason I dont go up Cumbria is cos thers no dealers there.....well none that are as readily available as home!

austen_wrx

Seeing that power boating had been going on for years on windermere, didn't you think of this when you bought your house, or considered where you live???? If you had chosen top live next to a race circuit, would you complain about the noise??

I do not live in cumbria, but we have a mobile home on the side of winderemere, and our entire family spend at lot of time and money in the area. The ban will not stop us visting, but i'm sure alot of other people will not be returning. If you think that the ban will attract more "non power boaters" to the area then i personally think this is incorrect.

If you want to go out in a canoe/swim, use one of the other lakes if it really worries you that much!

I totally agree that the "discarded beer cans and disposable barbecues" are a total disgrace. Not all waterskiers/power boaters/jet skiers do this, it is just a small majority, and like so many other thing in life, this small majority tarnish the majority. I can honestly say that all of the people i have ever water skied with have never, and would never do anything like that. Surely the sailing fraternity coulda also be blamed for similiar behaviour???

I respect the area and do understand that some of the boats/jet skies do cause exessive noise. But what is needed is better management and bylaws that would enhance everybodies enjoyment of the area, not just a white wash ban that stops many people from endulging in there choen sport/fun.

The worst noise and rubbish polution i have seen on the lake doesn't come from any boaters of any kind, it is the bloody disco boat

andy1505

Why blame Blair for the lack of disabled black lesbians? Personally I balme the pixes at the bottom of Windermere!!

PeteT

Actually, you're right about that disco boat it's a right pain in the ****, and as for that bloody jazz band!!
I do feel a bit sorry for the genuine waterskiers as I'm sure a management plan could have been worked out, eg waterskiing between say 10am and 4pm and quiet enjoyment at all other times and an outright ban on jet-skis (the main noise culprits) or perhaps allowing waterskiing in the North basin one day, South basin the next. The only problem being that Windermere is classed as a public highway so it would be more difficult legally to impose a ban rather than a speed limit.
I would also allow the 'Speed Week' to continue 'cos it's only for a week and not during the fishing season
By the way, I'm much to poor to afford a house up here, they have all been bought up (or stolen from the local people depending on your point of view)as second homes by wealthy Southerners. I rent my house and I've been here for 17 years since before the days of jet-ski's. And if a racing circuit was in use from 7 in the morning until 10 at night I think the local council would have something to say about it don't you?

austen_wrx

I think this coming year will be interesting as i think that the skiing will still take place, even though it is "banned", as the by laws on the other lakes are so flimsy that they can't prosecute people for doing it, or even for that matter demand their names and addresses. If the hardcore skiers carry on next year hopefully the european courst may get involved and a sensible plan can be agreed. Hopefully Mr Tiplady will get his just deserves and find himself on the dole que!

andy1505

What about the pixes and the dwarf lesbians?

ChrisB

Before we all get carried away:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4156519.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...08/nwalk08.xml

C h a z II

PeteT,

I think that the 10mph speed limit will have a much bigger impact on the area than you think. The lake is the biggest attraction, there are a huge number of people who come here to use their speedboats and jet skis and who spend a massive amount of money in the local shops and hotels. There are also those who visit because it is the "Blackpool" of the Lake District, they like the noise and bustle of such a busy village.



Think of all the people who work in the area who are paid the minimum wage in the hotels etc. They will be the first to be made redundant; they will have no option but to go on the dole. On the dole, too much time on their hands it's a recipie for disaster.



The lake is 11miles long! Can't we find somewhere to play? Perhaps some sort of noise restrictions for the boats etc, like at a track day for cars.



The only benefit in bringing the 10mph limit in will be seeing me proved right. Give it a couple of years an the place will be a ghost town full of empty hotels and a load of 20 something commis chefs with a drug problem, and no job.

anc-sti

The Lake is a attraction, but it isn't the main reason people visit the lakes. We run the site www.visitcumbria.com . You'll be surprised at some of the main reason's people come to the lakes. It with have a short term impact, but in the long term very little impact at all. People will diversify and adapt, look at foot and mouth it was suppost to bankcrupt large numbers of local businesses, following years since the outbreak have been bumper years we have record numbers of visitors. At least 40% of people who visit the area don't venture onto a lake or even a mountain, makes you wonder why they come.

austen_wrx

But don't you think powerboating on windermere is an important part of windermere/lake districts history that should be kept alive??

C h a z II

Foot and mouth was never going to have the impact they suggested.

Removing the jewel in the crown that is the Lake District does strike me as a bit daft. By the time we've banned organised walks, removed the rail link (this is on the cards) and stopped 90% of the lakes activities we will have bankrupted the area.

anc-sti

Sorry but it just won't happen. The lakes are just to much of a draw.
Imposing a 10 mph speed limit doesn't effect a large precentage of the users of the lake anyway.

Most places in the honey pots of the lakes could take twice the bookings they have during the peak season if they had the room.

People coming to the lakes who walk on the fells far out strips the users power boats of Windermere. Then take into account Mountain biking, climbing, sailing, paragliding, touring, camping etc etc and all the other minor activities and its impact is going to be minor.

As said previously at least 40% of vistors don't even come up to take part in outdoor activity, they come for the History, culture, art etc. For example we get a lot of vistors from Japan and one of the main draws for them is Beatrix Potter as they have a interest in illustrated literature.

As for the guided tours they represent an very small percentage of the users of the fells. Although this proposed ban on the tours is crazy and unlikely to be ever imposed.

So don't worry about the lakes it is and will be in the future the most popular holiday destination outside London in the UK.

C h a z II

You cannot tell me that Bowness will not be effected. Obviously Keswick will be fine as will Grasmere etc, but Bowness? With out the motor boats, jet skis and so on there will be very little draw.

RB170

But companies such as MasterCraft and Nautique not being able to use it as a test area might.

C h a z II

How much do fishermen spend when they are in Bowness? Do they have to pay to launch their boats if they have no engine? Do they spend money on petrol, wetsuits, skis, wake boards?
Do they buy the latest boats costing thousands of pounds?

I think not.

C h a z II

Where will all the skiers go now anyway?

anc-sti

They'll sell more cruising and sailing related stuff. Infact many sailers are put off from sailing on windermere because of muppets doing rings round them in their power boats, the numbers of sailing craft is likely to increase. Sure some specialist individual businesses will suffer, but its a drop in the ocean if you look at the bigger picture, unfortunate but true.

C h a z II

People sail and ski at different times. Sailers like it windy, skiers do not.

The national parks were set up for everyone to enjoy. A motor powered craft has no less right to be on the water than a sailing boat.

anc-sti

It doesn't if effects other users the environment and safety.

Sailers like wind full stop, when theres a little wind the sailing is ruined by the wakes of the power boats.

Someone was killed by a waterskier breaking the rules a few years back, they've been warned time after time but unfortunately the bad behaviour of a minority has ruined it for the vast majority who use there power boats correctly.
To be honest you'll find there is very little simpathy in the lakes with regards this issue apart from the people it directly effects.

C h a z II

There have been more deaths in the lake due to p1ssed up folks going for a swim in the small hours of the morning than there have skiing accidents. Perhaps we should ban pubs in the Lakes too?

anc-sti

If their pissed thats their own fault, shouldn't be so fooking num. When a water skier kills another lake user, its the fault of the skier if their to close to the shore which is what happened in the case i recall.

C h a z II

Probably the fault of the driver not the skier.

anc-sti

Either way someone was killed through no fault of their own.

I dare say mountain biking would go the the same way if we started mowing down ramblers. Fortunately things haven't gone that far....
What I'm trying to say is there's always been conflict between different user groups it the lakes party because the area isn't that great. As a result if one group is seen to be effecting other groups or the environment then that groups status will be at risk.

i.e. have fun but not at the expense of others or the environment.

C h a z II

Yes, but all the other lakes are sailing boats only so why can't they stay on thoses and leave Windermere to the skiers?

C h a z II

Message from Jason Cooper.


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This is what I said would happen 5 years ago when they decided that a powerboat ban was the right thing to do. Bear in mind I have lived and worked in the area for all my 35 years and seen a lot of people come and enjoy themselves and I have a good idea of how the area could be managed and permit the enjoyment of anybody in whatever pursuit they wish.

The LDNPA will do the following over the next 5 years:

Ban off road driving.
Restrict mountain biking to roads used as public paths - this will reduce the available areas by 82% - i.e. no bridleways. Close sections of lake access and sections of popular fell sides -Loughrigg being one of them whilst they lay flagstones to prevent further erosion.
I will bare my **** in Woollies window if I am wrong on more than 1 of the above points - they have ruined the enjoyment of millions that are involved in boating - now they are turning to dry land for goodness sake.

This planning board situation is becoming a desperate state of affairs - They are no longer concerned with what is right and what is a correct method of dealing with some of the issues that will always arise when a group of people with differing needs try to enjoy the area together. I'm sure that they are purely concerned with driving ridiculous actions that only suit what they want from the area. I would love to enter into theirterritory and look at the type of people that are involved - I'm sure most of them are 45/50 plus and looking to set up a little nook fortheir own retirement purely involving people of their own type.

Some of the planning fiascos that have taken place recently prove that they have no backbone when really pushed or threatened but the best one is that they are not prepared to discuss their decisions in any type of forum. This has been demonstrated during the protests against the powerboat ban on Windermere.

I am willing to discuss the ridiculous powerboat ban with anyone who is in favour of this ban further and we can share views on why I think it'sa appalling decision and those in favour can defend their views."

anc-sti

"Restrict mountain biking to roads used as public paths - this will reduce the available areas by 82% - i.e. no bridleways."

Not going to happen the Parks Authority have generally positive view towards Mtb's believe me I know, I am involved in developing this area. In fact in recent years many footpaths have been upgraded to bridleway to improve access. The forestry Commission bloody love them, there will soon be specific bike parks in Grizedale and Whinlatter once a few problems are ironed out.

Offroaders I do think they are at risk, but there is some sort of self imposed ban on certain sensitive green lanes. This is well adhered to, and helps their cause no end.



Erosion control is happening all the time with very little detrimental effect on users enjoyment.