HND or Degree
14 August 2009, 09:03 PM
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I prsonally dont think it makes a toss of difference. I have a degree (and none of you will guess it 
) and it made no difference to the job I do now. If I was looking to take on someone, I would always prefer someone with experience or hard graft over a chinless wonder with ooddles of degrees under their belt
) and it made no difference to the job I do now. If I was looking to take on someone, I would always prefer someone with experience or hard graft over a chinless wonder with ooddles of degrees under their belt
14 August 2009, 09:11 PM
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When I completed my HND 2 years ago it was equal to 180 UCAS points. A degree was equal to 300 UCAS points, an honours degree was equal to 360 UCAS points.
Most employers seem to prefer experienced people with a higher education background.
Most employers seem to prefer experienced people with a higher education background.
15 August 2009, 12:37 AM
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I missed this the first time round. I'm not understanding the posts where people think it is the same thing or of equal value. I did an HND for 2 years and then did the degree 'upgrade' for a further 2 years afterwards - I didn't like the idea of going out to work 
The 2 years doing the HND was just doing the first part of the degree course, the same syllabus. The HND I was doing 20 hours a week in classes and on the degree only 8 hours a week in classes and a hell of a lot of drinking
I always saw the HND I did as half a degree because that is what it was in terms of the syllabus. I then converted that to a degree and do not list the HND on my CV as the degree is what the final qualification was.
The 2 years doing the HND was just doing the first part of the degree course, the same syllabus. The HND I was doing 20 hours a week in classes and on the degree only 8 hours a week in classes and a hell of a lot of drinking
I always saw the HND I did as half a degree because that is what it was in terms of the syllabus. I then converted that to a degree and do not list the HND on my CV as the degree is what the final qualification was.
15 August 2009, 01:04 AM
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All this talk very much depends on the subject taken and the employment destination! Some very reputable Uni's have very poor courses. Some new universties excel in certain areas!
As for financial gain, again, it depends on the subject of your degree and what industry you end up in. Some will reward you for your education financially, other's.....well let's say at least you'll enjoy the job!
To give you some idea, I'm now a post-doc at a University, the starting salary for someone in my position is about 18K. If I were to have gone to many commercial/industrial orginisations, I would have started on 24K and probably be on about 40K by now. However, only the transferable skills obtained from my education would have been utilised; I would not have been doing what I trained for!
You need to research the area that you would like to be employed in, ascertain what qualifications they ascribe most value to and plan accordingly.
Best of luck!
As for financial gain, again, it depends on the subject of your degree and what industry you end up in. Some will reward you for your education financially, other's.....well let's say at least you'll enjoy the job!
To give you some idea, I'm now a post-doc at a University, the starting salary for someone in my position is about 18K. If I were to have gone to many commercial/industrial orginisations, I would have started on 24K and probably be on about 40K by now. However, only the transferable skills obtained from my education would have been utilised; I would not have been doing what I trained for!
You need to research the area that you would like to be employed in, ascertain what qualifications they ascribe most value to and plan accordingly.
Best of luck!
15 August 2009, 09:54 AM
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My wife has a Higher Diploma in Nursing which qualifies her to work as a Staff Nurse within a Hospital ward which she has done for 5 years, now a Senior Staff Nurse, she is back at Uni doing her top up degree part time but the degree is a lot more about Pshycology (sp?) rather than practical aspects
This Sean Connery version is my particular favourite - 'Pshycology'
15 August 2009, 11:49 AM
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I missed this the first time round. I'm not understanding the posts where people think it is the same thing or of equal value. I did an HND for 2 years and then did the degree 'upgrade' for a further 2 years afterwards - I didn't like the idea of going out to work
HND = 3 yrs?
Been a while mind!
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16 August 2009, 09:21 AM
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ND (ONC) = Level 3 (A level equivalent)
HND = Level 4
Here's a good site that explains how the UCAS points are awarded nationwide - HERE
FWIW, a HND hasn't got any UCAS value at all, as it's already in the same suite as Degrees. You only need UCAS points to get to this level. Not "up" from it.
Still boils down to this -
Purely academic route - Degree and a lot of debt. But great life experience.
Academic and Vocational experience - HND etc. Less debt, quicker to do, aims at more pragmatic learners, plus you can top up to a degree, should you NEED to.
As for which route is better, that depends on your choice of vocation Both have their merits.
Dan
HND = Level 4
Here's a good site that explains how the UCAS points are awarded nationwide - HERE
FWIW, a HND hasn't got any UCAS value at all, as it's already in the same suite as Degrees. You only need UCAS points to get to this level. Not "up" from it.
Still boils down to this -
Purely academic route - Degree and a lot of debt. But great life experience.
Academic and Vocational experience - HND etc. Less debt, quicker to do, aims at more pragmatic learners, plus you can top up to a degree, should you NEED to.
As for which route is better, that depends on your choice of vocation
Both have their merits.Dan
16 August 2009, 06:35 PM
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Not when I did mine, HND was 2 years. It was considered just half the degree and could go on to do the full degree in either 1 year, 2 years or 2 years and a gap year. I didn't fancy the hard work involved with just 1 year so opted for the extra year of skiving.
I've not used any of what I learnt since leaving but a couple of the jobs i've had specified a degree as a requirement for applying so was necessary in that respect.
I've not used any of what I learnt since leaving but a couple of the jobs i've had specified a degree as a requirement for applying so was necessary in that respect.
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