Which is faster R32 or Impreza?
11 January 2005, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mosquito
Got rid of my R32 at the end of August.
In my experience - figures quoted - as implied - don't tell the whole story.
The standard WRX (any) would struggle. The classic Turbo would be around the same. The R32 suffers from the same problem as the Sti - it won't hit 60 in second gear - and third is only good for just over 80!
In my experience - figures quoted - as implied - don't tell the whole story.
The standard WRX (any) would struggle. The classic Turbo would be around the same. The R32 suffers from the same problem as the Sti - it won't hit 60 in second gear - and third is only good for just over 80!
11 January 2005, 04:05 PM
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VWV6, I can only suggest you use the figures on the previous page to go on. For people that may have competed against an R32 Golf, there will be many outcomes and many factors. Gear changes, conditions, whether each driver was really trying, safety, etc. so there will be many cases of an R32 beating a Scoob, and vice versa.
The main problem you will have with any marque, but particularly Scoobs (it seems), is that you don't know what's under the bonnet. Some cars are more show than go, others are more go than show. You then have to catch the driver in the right mood in the right safe environment. Given that R32 Golfs are not that common, I can't expect to see many figures, etc. for what you are looking for.
You may find some if you do a search on the site for "R32 Golf" but that may also turn up nothing. The only real way you'll be able to satisfy your curiosity will be to find a quiet safe stretch of private road, arrange to meet with like minded curious folks who aren't afraid of losing, and do some test runs.
Best of luck
The main problem you will have with any marque, but particularly Scoobs (it seems), is that you don't know what's under the bonnet. Some cars are more show than go, others are more go than show. You then have to catch the driver in the right mood in the right safe environment. Given that R32 Golfs are not that common, I can't expect to see many figures, etc. for what you are looking for.
You may find some if you do a search on the site for "R32 Golf" but that may also turn up nothing. The only real way you'll be able to satisfy your curiosity will be to find a quiet safe stretch of private road, arrange to meet with like minded curious folks who aren't afraid of losing, and do some test runs.
Best of luck
11 January 2005, 04:08 PM
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VTS were made for the sprint, I had one years ago when I couldn't afford anything faster due to insurance problems. Great little cars but this doesn't answer my question.
True about the R32 ratios, just not made for sprinting or magazine figures, where the ratios come into their own is at much higher speeds but we don't get chance to do them without serious risk. That's why I'm interested in the performance of standard UK Impreza of various types. I always seem to have runs with them upto 100ish or so (all on private roads) which don't result in the caning I expect or in the case of the farking ugly model a beating is dished out from the VW side. No wonder they binned those cars, ugly as sin and slow to boot.
True about the R32 ratios, just not made for sprinting or magazine figures, where the ratios come into their own is at much higher speeds but we don't get chance to do them without serious risk. That's why I'm interested in the performance of standard UK Impreza of various types. I always seem to have runs with them upto 100ish or so (all on private roads
) which don't result in the caning I expect or in the case of the farking ugly model a beating is dished out from the VW side. No wonder they binned those cars, ugly as sin and slow to boot.
11 January 2005, 04:11 PM
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VW .the fact you mentioned racing is probably the reason people have taken a bit of a dis-like to you. Dont take it too personally but we take a dim view of street racing on here.
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11 January 2005, 04:12 PM
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So the anwer seems to be that nobody has a clue? I'd have thought the older car was a lot quicker than the R32 but obviously not.
Result, not only do I have an exclusive car that has bank vault build quality and some of the best seats I've ever found in a car it's also as quick as most Imprezas. A result I reckon, I bought mine for comfort and a little bit of speed.
Expect to see a Black R32 for some traffic light GP action sussex scoobies, you'll find that if I lose I'll take it on the chin unlike some people I could mention.
I would never street race, I might try and see how fast my accelerates up to the legal maximum tho' and if someone happens to be doing the same then fair enough.
Result, not only do I have an exclusive car that has bank vault build quality and some of the best seats I've ever found in a car it's also as quick as most Imprezas. A result I reckon, I bought mine for comfort and a little bit of speed.
Expect to see a Black R32 for some traffic light GP action sussex scoobies, you'll find that if I lose I'll take it on the chin unlike some people I could mention.
I would never street race, I might try and see how fast my accelerates up to the legal maximum tho' and if someone happens to be doing the same then fair enough.
11 January 2005, 04:14 PM
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If you want a reason why people aren't giving you answers read a little of this and understand there is a plethora of model versions to choose from. The performance section of the FAQ has some figures on it, but I believe the FAQ is somewhat out of date and doesn't cover the newer versions.
Once rolling you'll probably find your R32 (and this goes for Scoobs too) is not much faster than your modern diesel powered car. So it depends on how you are expressing fastness.
Once rolling you'll probably find your R32 (and this goes for Scoobs too) is not much faster than your modern diesel powered car. So it depends on how you are expressing fastness.
11 January 2005, 04:19 PM
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I have never come across an R32 on the road, so am possibly unable to offer the comments that your are looking for.
However, I have encountered quite a few on trackdays. The Bugeye and Blobeye are reasonably enely matched, the blob having a slight edge.
Likewise with the R32, both Imprezas seem to have a slight edge in the dry, with possibly a little more in the wet. This could all be down to driver ability of course.
However, I have encountered quite a few on trackdays. The Bugeye and Blobeye are reasonably enely matched, the blob having a slight edge.
Likewise with the R32, both Imprezas seem to have a slight edge in the dry, with possibly a little more in the wet. This could all be down to driver ability of course.
11 January 2005, 04:28 PM
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I was a VW nut for a long time various models. Bought a Scooby only 6 months ago and "revelation". VW lost the plot on the MK3 GTI. VR6 was passable but expensive. No 4X4 since the Rallye/Country. V6 4Motion expensive, R32 even more expensive. Residuals good, Why!!!! Top Gear survey shows them nowhere near the mark, as they say in the mag Subarus eat fuel, expensive to insure and own, but we love them! What Car slag em off, too. Are they on the slide? They are about to be slaughtered by the new Astra VXR on price and performance. £20000 for only 200 bhp? And finally, my UK spec MY 99 Classic did an R32 in in Cardiff. Sorry to bring it down to the snotty stuff/outdragging etc.
11 January 2005, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by VWV6
So the anwer seems to be that nobody has a clue? I'd have thought the older car was a lot quicker than the R32 but obviously not.
Result, not only do I have an exclusive car that has bank vault build quality and some of the best seats I've ever found in a car it's also as quick as most Imprezas. A result I reckon, I bought mine for comfort and a little bit of speed.
Expect to see a Black R32 for some traffic light GP action sussex scoobies, you'll find that if I lose I'll take it on the chin unlike some people I could mention.
I would never street race, I might try and see how fast my accelerates up to the legal maximum tho' and if someone happens to be doing the same then fair enough.
Result, not only do I have an exclusive car that has bank vault build quality and some of the best seats I've ever found in a car it's also as quick as most Imprezas. A result I reckon, I bought mine for comfort and a little bit of speed.
Expect to see a Black R32 for some traffic light GP action sussex scoobies, you'll find that if I lose I'll take it on the chin unlike some people I could mention.
I would never street race, I might try and see how fast my accelerates up to the legal maximum tho' and if someone happens to be doing the same then fair enough.
Do ya feel all warm and lovely inside now?
11 January 2005, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gutmann pug
Your right the R32 is by far the best fastest car in its class. No scoob in the world could every be better or quicker. We bow down to your superior piece of machinery.
Do ya feel all warm and lovely inside now?
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11 January 2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Dragoon
I was a VW nut for a long time various models. Bought a Scooby only 6 months ago and "revelation". VW lost the plot on the MK3 GTI. VR6 was passable but expensive. No 4X4 since the Rallye/Country. V6 4Motion expensive, R32 even more expensive. Residuals good, Why!!!! Top Gear survey shows them nowhere near the mark, as they say in the mag Subarus eat fuel, expensive to insure and own, but we love them! What Car slag em off, too. Are they on the slide? They are about to be slaughtered by the new Astra VXR on price and performance. £20000 for only 200 bhp? And finally, my UK spec MY 99 Classic did an R32 in in Cardiff. Sorry to bring it down to the snotty stuff/outdragging etc.
Mr Guttman Pug I don't think my R32 is the fastest thing on the road at all. I do however know it's quicker than one of those sh1te bugeyed things. A tip for you as well, if you want to try your hand at sarcasm I reckon you need to brush up on your technique. All the subtlety of a sledgehammer through the front door at 6 am.
Silva- eat my shorts you talentless d1ck.
11 January 2005, 04:58 PM
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Hi VWV6.
Personaly i think you would have a good chance against a uk bugeye turbo. There alot weighteir than the classic shapes.
I think you would have a good chance cause a mate of mine has a FTO Mivec manual, and ive raced him in a silver WRX I previously owned and we were level up until the top of third gear! (80 MPH)
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A classic shape WRX would beet a standard bugeye uk. An R32 would beet a FTO Mivec manual. You do the math.
If you didn't beet him down below youd definetly have him top end, cause your top end is similar to the TT 3.2 and ive raced one of those in a classic modified uk scooby i owned. Left him 70-145/150
, then he cruised past 
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Personaly i think you would have a good chance against a uk bugeye turbo. There alot weighteir than the classic shapes.
I think you would have a good chance cause a mate of mine has a FTO Mivec manual, and ive raced him in a silver WRX I previously owned and we were level up until the top of third gear! (80 MPH)
.A classic shape WRX would beet a standard bugeye uk. An R32 would beet a FTO Mivec manual. You do the math
.If you didn't beet him down below youd definetly have him top end, cause your top end is similar to the TT 3.2 and ive raced one of those in a classic modified uk scooby i owned. Left him 70-145/150
, then he cruised past .Regards,
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11 January 2005, 05:04 PM
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Eat my shorts was trying to be acceptable silva- I'd tell you what I really thought of you but the moderator says the thread would be locked.
You don't drive a bugeye do you? *snigger* (what a loser if you do and even if you don't you're still a loser anyhoo!)
Shimy I know I can beat a bugeye WRX because I've done it and the guy was a reallly bad loser. A decent Impreza like a type R or even an STi would leave me for dust, I know that. I just wondered what the standard cars were like and if anyone had run against an R32 and what the outcome was.
So far we've had one guy with a MY99 that beat one. I wonder if the new better looking WRX is faster than that awful bugeyed thing?
You don't drive a bugeye do you? *snigger* (what a loser if you do and even if you don't you're still a loser anyhoo!)
Shimy I know I can beat a bugeye WRX because I've done it and the guy was a reallly bad loser. A decent Impreza like a type R or even an STi would leave me for dust, I know that. I just wondered what the standard cars were like and if anyone had run against an R32 and what the outcome was.
So far we've had one guy with a MY99 that beat one. I wonder if the new better looking WRX is faster than that awful bugeyed thing?
11 January 2005, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gutmann pug
VW .the fact you mentioned racing is probably the reason people have taken a bit of a dis-like to you. Dont take it too personally but we take a dim view of street racing on here.
Gary
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Thats what i brought a scooby for!
And most other people who have brought one!!Come on mate, You telling me you dont like pooting your toe down when another sports car comes up against you at the lights!?
. Fair enough it may not be your Santa Pod traffic light start but there both street racing in the eyes of the law
Regards Shimy.
P.s.
Shall we have a vote on who likes street racing when the laws not in sight?
11 January 2005, 05:19 PM
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Exactly how much Sunny Delight did your mum give you this afternoon, VW?
"...Expect to see a Black R32 for some traffic light GP action sussex scoobies..."
"...a beating is dished out from the VW side..."
"...Must be a lot of numpties out there with rally/Sti stickers on their boggo WRX..."
Come on, own up... you're 14 aren't you. And last night you watched The Fast and The Furious with your pals. And now you're just quoting from the film.
"...Expect to see a Black R32 for some traffic light GP action sussex scoobies..."
"...a beating is dished out from the VW side..."
"...Must be a lot of numpties out there with rally/Sti stickers on their boggo WRX..."
Come on, own up... you're 14 aren't you. And last night you watched The Fast and The Furious with your pals. And now you're just quoting from the film.
11 January 2005, 05:23 PM
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I happened across a Miltek exhausted R32 that decided to show me what his motor could do to an Impreza.
He maybe thought that because it has the low-level spoiler it was 'only' a WRX.
I didn't have any problems pulling alongside him at higher speeds after he had overtaken the slower moving/accelerating traffic and was pushing him along (when he was in the outside lane) at lower ones.
This all took place on a dual carriageway in a national speed limit from a roundabout - so it was a rolling start and in no way became dangerous at any point.
He maybe thought that because it has the low-level spoiler it was 'only' a WRX.
I didn't have any problems pulling alongside him at higher speeds after he had overtaken the slower moving/accelerating traffic and was pushing him along (when he was in the outside lane) at lower ones.
This all took place on a dual carriageway in a national speed limit from a roundabout - so it was a rolling start and in no way became dangerous at any point.
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11 January 2005, 05:26 PM
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Shimy I know I can beat a bugeye WRX because I've done it and the guy was a reallly bad loser. A decent Impreza like a type R or even an STi would leave me for dust, I know that. I just wondered what the standard cars were like and if anyone had run against an R32 and what the outcome was.
So far we've had one guy with a MY99 that beat one. I wonder if the new better looking WRX is faster than that awful bugeyed thing?[/QUOTE]
VWV6.
I raced a R32 in that uk classic i mentioned earlyer, i pulled away from him in first, second, and a part of third, but then i whas running 5 Psi higher than standered and around 270 Bhp, 50 Bhp more than standered.
Judging by the distance I pulled on him I think youd be rite behind a scooby thats got 250 or lese Bhp.
Even though id leave you in the my Type R, once I hit 145-150 youd be rite on me.
Regards Shimy.
So far we've had one guy with a MY99 that beat one. I wonder if the new better looking WRX is faster than that awful bugeyed thing?[/QUOTE]
VWV6.
I raced a R32 in that uk classic i mentioned earlyer, i pulled away from him in first, second, and a part of third, but then i whas running 5 Psi higher than standered and around 270 Bhp, 50 Bhp more than standered.
Judging by the distance I pulled on him I think youd be rite behind a scooby thats got 250 or lese Bhp.
Even though id leave you in the my Type R, once I hit 145-150 youd be rite on me.
Regards Shimy.
11 January 2005, 05:34 PM
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Nice one shimy as I thought- mucho respect to the people with the decent Imprezas is demanded I guess. Type R is one of thefastest other than the lightweight rallyaltered isn't it? If you like fast cars then the fast Impreza Turbos are pretty iconic.
What motivated me to post this was how surprised I was that I beat the bugeye in question. He had more than one attempt as well and tried to intimidate me by mouthing some bull at the lights. He was pretty peeved when I did him again-PMSL, we sat and laughed at him at the next set of lights and he didn't look happy.
Haters what can I say if it pleases you to think I'm a schoolboy then go ahead. Mostly tho' I think you might be drivers of the godamn ugly, slow, overweight, obsolete Subaru model that everyone laughs at.
What motivated me to post this was how surprised I was that I beat the bugeye in question. He had more than one attempt as well and tried to intimidate me by mouthing some bull at the lights. He was pretty peeved when I did him again-PMSL, we sat and laughed at him at the next set of lights and he didn't look happy.
Haters what can I say if it pleases you to think I'm a schoolboy then go ahead. Mostly tho' I think you might be drivers of the godamn ugly, slow, overweight, obsolete Subaru model that everyone laughs at.
11 January 2005, 05:42 PM
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So to recap over the past month, the scoob will win it in the twisties, the Evo will beat anythnig in the wet, the CTR will win the straight line race, all will still beat the AMG, oh and now we know the R32 has the superior build quality.......
very entertaining reading. Next.
very entertaining reading. Next.
11 January 2005, 05:47 PM
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[QUOTE=VWV6]Nice one shimy as I thought- mucho respect to the people with the decent Imprezas is demanded I guess. Type R is one of thefastest other than the lightweight rallyaltered isn't it? If you like fast cars then the fast Impreza Turbos are pretty iconic.
What motivated me to post this was how surprised I was that I beat the bugeye in question. He had more than one attempt as well and tried to intimidate me by mouthing some bull at the lights. He was pretty peeved when I did him again-PMSL, we sat and laughed at him at the next set of lights and he didn't look happy.QUOTE]
VWV6.
I belive that the Type R is the fastest other than the 22B. The RA is a very quick car seeing 60 mph, in i think 4.6. Where the Type R sees it in 4.4.
I may be wrong but im sure there the figures, but the RA runs out of steam at 120mph.
The RA would be more nimble down a country lane or on a track cause of the lack of weight.
Scoobys generaly come in to there own when it comes to cornering, thats when you see what any scooby can do.
Regards Shimy.
What motivated me to post this was how surprised I was that I beat the bugeye in question. He had more than one attempt as well and tried to intimidate me by mouthing some bull at the lights. He was pretty peeved when I did him again-PMSL, we sat and laughed at him at the next set of lights and he didn't look happy.QUOTE]
VWV6.
I belive that the Type R is the fastest other than the 22B. The RA is a very quick car seeing 60 mph, in i think 4.6. Where the Type R sees it in 4.4.
I may be wrong but im sure there the figures, but the RA runs out of steam at 120mph.
The RA would be more nimble down a country lane or on a track cause of the lack of weight.
Scoobys generaly come in to there own when it comes to cornering, thats when you see what any scooby can do.
Regards Shimy.
11 January 2005, 05:51 PM
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No, a type r is a race spec, a type RA is the lightweight rally one, then there's V Limited's, standard STi's etc, 22B....
Im not that surprised you beat a bugeye, they're hardly fast as standard. A modded one would be a bit different. Who gives a crap though, I don't mind the odd race, but I have far more fun when there's nobody around...
Is a Type R faster than a standard STi? No. Both same power and torque, just different ratios and elec diff / water spray etc.
MB
Im not that surprised you beat a bugeye, they're hardly fast as standard. A modded one would be a bit different. Who gives a crap though, I don't mind the odd race, but I have far more fun when there's nobody around...
Is a Type R faster than a standard STi? No. Both same power and torque, just different ratios and elec diff / water spray etc.
MB
11 January 2005, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
No, a type r is a race spec, a type RA is the lightweight rally one, then there's V Limited's, standard STi's etc, 22B....
Im not that surprised you beat a bugeye, they're hardly fast as standard. A modded one would be a bit different. Who gives a crap though, I don't mind the odd race, but I have far more fun when there's nobody around...
Is a Type R faster than a standard STi? No. Both same power and torque, just different ratios and elec diff / water spray etc.
MB
Im not that surprised you beat a bugeye, they're hardly fast as standard. A modded one would be a bit different. Who gives a crap though, I don't mind the odd race, but I have far more fun when there's nobody around...
Is a Type R faster than a standard STi? No. Both same power and torque, just different ratios and elec diff / water spray etc.
MB
like I said I may be wrong, but then again it all comes down to the
driver!
Regards Shimy.
11 January 2005, 06:04 PM
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quote: "Im not that surprised you beat a bugeye, they're hardly fast as standard. A modded one would be a bit different. Who gives a crap though, I don't mind the odd race, but I have far more fun when there's nobody around..."
As I thought and I don't really 'give a crap' as you put it I was just interested as to why the ugly blue thing was so slow is all. I keep the real fun times for my R1, cars are great for getting around in comfort but real speed freaks run on 2 wheels not 4.
Type R and RA are wicked cars tho', I know that.
As I thought and I don't really 'give a crap' as you put it I was just interested as to why the ugly blue thing was so slow is all. I keep the real fun times for my R1, cars are great for getting around in comfort but real speed freaks run on 2 wheels not 4.
Type R and RA are wicked cars tho', I know that.