OllyK

Lookey here! I got me one of them there stalkers

OllyK

If he was goose stepping around proclaiming Hitler was right I could understand people getting upset. But this was a private fancy dress party not some political arena. I wonder who else was dressed in "inappropriate" costume for the current PC climate, but becuase they were not as famous, nobody cared?

Senior_AP

The Sun said "harry the ****".

That is, in my opinion slander and he should sue the paper. It was, as OllyK said a private party with a humorous fancy dress theme.

It pisses me off how much the whole thing has been blown out of all proportion.

SirFozzalot

Very good and valid point mate and I for one totally agree that what they did for this country and us is truly amazing.

I just feel it has all been blown a bit out of proportion.

What about when people go to parties and dress up as other military-type characters from history??? What about the romans? didn't they storm across Europe and massacre thousands and massacre thousands of christians! Would the same have been said if he had turned up in a toga or a roman soldier's uniform?? A lot longer ago, I know, but surely the principles are the same??

OllyK

Next time he should turn up dressed as Nelson, that should p!ss the French off suitably reminding them of the kicking they took

Senior_AP

Agreed. Bollox isn't it.

andrewdelvard

I think what my Dad was trying to say was that during the war the Royal Family was so very important to the British People. They personified this country and all that was good about it. He would have died for the King. He's told me this and I believe him. For him the Royals still symbolise so much. To see one in a **** outfit is repugnant. He knows nothing about 'pc' The only pc he knows are the ones who used to walk down the street. I can assure you, for him, this is nothing 'pc'.


Andy.

OllyK

I don't deny the significance the Royals had, nor the sacrifice our parents / grand parents made so that we are a "free" country today.

It is more a case of the national press decending to the levels of "Hello" to get some scoop. It isn't like there is nothing else going on in the world and they are deperate for news. It was a private party, that somebody took the photo (wasn't it somebody at the party that took it an passed it on?) and it made it to the press says more to me about the press than it does baout Harry, but that's just my view.

the moose

I fully agree. The Royal Family have symbolic power only - and to associate this with arguably the best-known negative symbol shows a lack of understanding of what royalty is all about.

Forgive him, sure, but he's surely got to understand why people were so upset. To just say sorry is to miss the point.

Senior_AP

I have total respect for your father and all that served for us. I respect nobody more and doubt I ever will.

However, as this is now in history - I don't think we should over react to such a thing. The fancy dress theme is by definition a joke - his costume was a joke and should be treated as such.

The papers have once again achieved their goal of telling people what is right and wrong, and the weaker amongst us have followed suit.

(people that think it's wrong irrespective of the newspapers I respect their opinion though I don't agree with it - E.g. Your father).




if the newspapers ahd said - "Harry the comedian goes to a fancy dress as a ****" and made light hearted jokes about it then most of England would say "oh, that Harry eh, what a funny guy".

andrewdelvard

I don't think they are. Even in the late 60s early 70s when our country in certain ways was still recovering from the effects of the war, No way would you have seen a royal in a **** uniform. Not because pictures like this wouldn't have been so easily accessible. But because the shear hell and loss was still so fresh in peoples minds. I don't think a Royal would have dared. I myself agree that think this picture symbolises how we are forgetting what we owe to so many brave people. If a royal dons an outfit like this, what, I suggest, is the point of a royal family anymore? What is their role? To just bring in tourists? It's not enough.

blueone

I think everyone should not drive or purchase any products made by these companies BMW; Mercedes; Subaru; Mitsubishi et al. After all they produced aircraft and munnitions that where used against my grandparents. One of my grandfathers RIP use to make spitfires and my other one served on HMS Belfast and other ships of note in the British Navy during WWII and before that he was a pallbearer at King Georges Funerall procession and is one of the sailers in this pic pulling the coffin by rope in the streets of Windsor.

Do these facts add any weight to my arguement that people should not purchase goods from the above mentioned companies?

555wrx

The Sun are a right bunch to harp on about *****, wasnt the Hitlers Third reich built on the manipulation of the truth, lies, deciet and trying to force the thoughts of people?
Hmmmm, sounds like The Sun newspaper to me!

andrewdelvard

Your argument is invalid. We are looking at the strong symbolism and conotations of a Royal wearing **** memorabilia.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Blueone, I think you have a point, people seem to have short memories, however we do need to move on, after all nobody working in the German car industry now was actually a member of the Third Reich. I do feel that the success of the German economy is perhaps a bit unfair given their track record and the fact we got them started again after the war, but if they made crap nobody would buy it.

Never mind we know for next time, well you would have thought we did, look what they did to Rover (with Rovers help).

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

The Swastika wasnt a **** symbol originally, it was a fertillity symbol hijacked by the arseholes, until the thirties a Swastika was a positive thing.

555wrx

I thought that the original ' swastika ' was an oriental symbol for peace, that Hitler hijacked. The only difference between the two was that Hitlers version was turned to slant slightly.

blueone

Try maybe making BMW stop using its white and Blue badge as it symbolises the propellers on the aircraft they use to make.
I thought it was a fancy dress costume he was wearing and not memorabilia. Memorabilia would imply that it was an authentic outfit from the period?
BMW use their aircraft production heritage as a selling point. Harry dressing up for a private party is just that. Someone dressing up for a private party. I still see Swastikas being flown from many a Sikh temple to this day. Should they stop using them also, as many people only associate Swastikas with the ****'s?

Buttman Plug

Just to be serious for one second, he saw his mates killed, killed himself, so harry could wear a **** uniform. That's exactly the point. The freedom he fought for was won and now people can dress up in **** uniform and ridicule them. Had he and others like him not had the guts or made the sacrifice there would be less of the freedoms we cherish, such as the right to lampoon and ridicule the ***** for example.

gsm1

There's certainly a difference between the **** swastika and other forms of it.

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

What would have been funny IF Harry had done the old Tommy Cooper Gag Hitler one side of the body and and British General the other
Cheers
Colin

rr_ww

To me its the Swatstika thats the REAL issue. Had he just dressed as a German officer then fine. That symbol has so many evil connotations. The fact he quite happily wore it is not "just a joke" Its IGNORANCE!

And I dont want him anywhere near Aushwitz (sp?) Turn a VERY important event into a Media circus!

At the end of the day hes just a **** with no concept as to what hes doing. Either Sandhurst will sort him out or he'll die of an OD. No real loss to my life though!

Hate him with a REAL passion!

Lord Of The Bling...

er, i dont think Harrys a real ****, the Sun did promise NOT to hound harry and wills after they had blood on their hands after diana`s death?

GCollier

Agree with rr_ww. Whatever its ancient meanings, since WW2 the swastika has symbolised a regime which revelled in mass murder, torture and human degredation. Maybe some of you who say that wearing a swastika was only a joke can point out the funny side of its symbology which I am currently missing?

Gary.

Diesel

I understand the ‘overblown media hype’ based responses here and respect that as it is patently part of the case.

However I think that it should also be equally understandable that many people will find THAT symbolism in a public figure to be wrong.

I think quite a few making the ‘PC’ based ‘get over it’ comments may be in their twenties or so. I’m a bit older than that and have seen scars on living people caused by those that wore such uniforms and symbols. I have a father that served in the war and whom refused on principle to buy a German car till the Audi A6 came out!!!

It takes time to forgive, and of course that is happening and probably almost complete by now; HOWEVER you shouldn’t dismiss the remnants of any objection to the horror of the *****. These clearly were the worst people that ever walked the earth…

Right off to jump in MY Audi now – made by the same company that made the human incinerators in the death camps. I clearly have forgiven if not quite forgotten…

D

Leslie

I understand how you feel Diesel. My father wasted 4 years of his life as a POW in a Stalag which was close enough to Auschwitz to be able to smell those incinerators in action!

I spite of that, he would have regarded the prince's escapade as part of growing up and would not have taken offence at it. he would have seen it as taking the "mickey" out of the ****'s rather like "Hallo Hallo" and thought no more about it.

This an enormous storm in a teacup engineered by the Sun purely to boost circulation with a "scoop" rather than for the altruistic purposes that they claim of course. All the PC nutters have leapt on it for their own purposes and as a way to get at the prince and the Monarchy. This will suit the lefty Roman sandal wearing anti monarchists to a T. And much of the presidential crew of course.

It is interesting too that regardless of the fact that it was a private party, it is reported that one of the trusted guests took a photo of him to sell to the media for a reported 5 figure sum!

Wonder if he came as Judas.

Les

Sbradley

Les, as always, has hit the nail on the head.

Must be the mix of military training and 100% oxygen

SB