Diablo

LOL

none of which was a remnant of years of labour control, of course

We wouldn't be in the, by comparison, much better economic position generally that we are now if it hadn't been for the "Thatcher" years. Blair is simply reaping the benefits of Thatchers changes.

Britain's ecomony had to brought out of the dark ages after years of labour rule. Change is never easy, all of those points you mention are merely symptoms of that change.

Thatcher also had the ***** (how ironic) to stand up to the rest of Europe and say "**** you", not to mention the Unions that were seemingly intent on bankrupting this country. And would have, had she not acted the way she did.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Cherie Blair,
Alastair Campbell,
Peter Mandelson,
Keith Vaz,
David Blunkett.

High moral values? My firm but pliant ****!

Alcazar

Mark Miwurdz

I was hoping Pete wasn't going to be such an @rsehole this year. Still, there's always 2006 to look forward to.

Sith

Funny that Pete hasn't replied to Alcazar.

Odd how he doesn't mention the huge debt we now owe the IMF AGAIN, after the Torries spent ages repaying it. But Trolling is more fun I spose.

warrenm2

Bernie Ecclestone, Mandelson, Mittal, Robinson, Vaz, Mandelson, Butler report, Mandelson, Hinduja, Iraq, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, Iraq again, ...... thats just for starters. Dont spout about NL morals mate!

What is even more funny Pete apart from your now rather tiring trolling is your denial of the facts. I vote Tory not cos I think theyre whiter than white, but I think they are the lesser of the available evils. It not a perfect system by any means, and the lack of a real credible alternative is as painful to me as it is to a lot of people, but please "GET A ******* LIFE PETE!" I really am starting to wonder if you really deep down believe the crap you are spouting rather than just an boring attempt to wind people up....

coolangatta

Cor blimey mate !!
Selective memories abound.

warrenm2

It depends how you measure **** hole-ness. Unemployment? Average disposible income? GDP? Crime rate? Competivness with other countries? % below poverty line? Number of suicides/1000? You can use whichever measure suits your arguement and PROVE your case. I was fortunate not to be involved in the unemployment probs then, so for me it wasnt so bad. And do you consider the ransoming of industry by the unions a good thing for UK plc? Wildcat strikes? The thing about Maggies rule is people have got over the unemployment, but we still have the legacy of a relatively strike free workforce (LU excepted!) I personally think thats a step forward

Diablo

And he never will

Nor will he reply to the points I made, because he has no answer..LOL....

Pete only does it to get a rise out of people, and it works. Better just to ignore him

Belmondo

Anyone want to buy a flat?

Leslie

No one can believe the rubbish he posts, not even him!

He just likes to feel responsble for long threads. All thats left in life to him IMHO.

Les

the moose

My opinion, without resorting to abuse, is that those who consider themselves to be worse off under the current government should consider what a shockingly short-sighted bunch the Tories were.

I'll leave out the bribes/******** around - I expect some of this in all governments, though the Tories seemed at one point to have no-one who wasn't at it ...

It's taken many years, but we're now seeing improvements in schools (both infrastructurally and educationally), railways, the NHS, and crime rates. It's certainly not a universally perfect society, far from it, but I'd still say this government gets it more right than its predecessor.

It's easy enough to say that "we've got over unemployment" but those areas which used to be mining communities certainly haven't - many thousands of people unemployed because of a purely political attack on the miners. Sure, Scargill has a huge amount to answer for, and he played into Maggie's hands, but even 20 years on there's still a culture of dependency in many of the mining areas.

To do this to people, and to feel no shame whatsoever explains why I loathe Thatcher as much now as ever I did, and why I'll be glad when she's dead. Not an opinion, I'm sure, which will find much favour on this BBS, and one I'm frankly rather ashamed of, but that individual is the reason that I have never voted Tory, and never will.

pslewis

Well said Moose - trouble is, that those spouting on here against Labour are kiddies who have no idea how the Tories destroyed this country!!

They were still crapping in their nappies when the miners were destroyed and dragged through the mud!

And most of them still are!! (mummies boys!)

Pete

Dracoro

Personally I'm not a 'party political' man. I have my political leanings and would support the party that fits best into that, needless to say it's in the middle ground somewhere so used to vote tory but NL have moved into this middle ground (and pushed the tories out) but I didn't vote NL as there's a sizeable portion of old labourites so was obviously sceptical 7 years ago. Fortunately they've kept the OL at bay else they'd go back to being unelectable. Good and bad in all parties, some better than others and it changes.

What is clearly naive and irrational are those that say tory tory tory or labour labour labour no matter what (psl for one). For sure labour have done well in some respects as they have done bad in others. The tories were the same, good and bad. As far as which party is 'better' etc. you have to take these things on BALANCE. i.e. on balance which is better. the weight on the scales increasing or decreasing in weight depending on how the party's perform and what they offer you.

unclebuck

Leslie

Dracoro,

I agree with your sentiments about voting for the party which will do best for the country regardless of what they are called. I have always felt that myself.

I think the most important aspect is that we should not let the Eu get its hands on our country any more than they have already. That is a hotbed of graft and corruption and if we enter an Eu federation, we will have no more say in our lives in the UK. The commissioners are unelected and have been running an enormously inefficient organisation for years now, no sign of their accounts being accepted by the auditors for ten years now. Ten years for goodness sake. Where did all that lost money go?

If we enter the federation, we will only have MEP's as 10% of the Eu parliament. How strong will our influence be there then? We would be led by the nose into true insignifcance in the world order.

Any party which is against this subserviance to the Eu wolves has my vote, especially with what has been happening here since 1997.

Les

paulr

Pete's right,the Blairs do have morals,believe in hard work ,education and the value of the family............unlike the Thatchers,i mean look at that Carol Thatcher for a start..omg,what a mess.

paulr

Lets hope he gets stripped of his title too........Lestor Piggot did for a lot less.

Kieran_Burns

iTrader: (1)

Well -I've heard of the ridiculous ideal of "sins of the fathers" but "sins of the sons"????

Yeesh - lovely balanced argument there.... Do not vote for a party because the SON of one member has been convicted of a crime?

Hell, if that was the case how many MP's COULD we vote for???

The Zohan

Pete really,

New Liarbour has it' s own share of liars and cheats. You see they should have lean't from the last Tory government and moved on but i suppose they just could not.

Good God the top bloke lead us into a war based on lies, his No2 (how ironic) stated he did not believe a word BLiar said.

Blairs son (who went to public school) caught pi$$ed up and lookin' for trouble.

Mandleson - nuff said
Blunkett - what a pillock and man of bad judgement. Caught out effectively 'fiddling' immigration for his hoe's nanny.

New Labour - same old to$$!


All IMHO.

The Zohan

Moose
You must live in a different Britian to me.

The Zohan

later

Les Behan

Militant bunch of sheep led badly astray by Arthur '3 Shredded Wheat' Scargill (that's 2 for breakfast and one for his head)

Agreed. You need to change your class A drug's (hallucinagenic derivative) supplier immediately.

Cheers
Les

pslewis

Lets strip him of his title ...... and bung him in Prison with a miner!!!

Lets put Maggie into a Miners Old Peoples Home

Lets all burn the Thatcher name and all Tory flags ..... the end of the story ....

No-one will weep ..... long live Tony!!

Pete

Chip

Nah I think its more probable that he was a miner. And of course we really need that dirty smokey fuel these days dont we.

Chip.

Chip

I dont suppose that w@anker Bliar will be going anywhere near pensioners though will he Peter, after the way he's not only treated existing pensioners (37p rise), but for robbing billions of pounds every year from the pension funds of us honest workers.

Chip.

tiggers

moose,

It may not find much favour on here, but I'm with you all the way on this one. Problem is people on here are either too young or have too short of a memory.

The election prospects look wonderful - TB's current crowd or a return to Thatcherism (and before you all start bleating just go and do your homework on where Howard cut his political teeth and remember a leopard does not change its spots).

Effectively this is the political equivalent of choosing which gun you want to shoot yourself with - aren't we lucky?

tiggers.

Sprint Chief

Or too old and have too good a memory - I remember the unburied dead, piles of uncollected rubbish, inflation that made the late eighties look like a mere blip - from the labour party in the 1970s. The country was in a spiralling depression that was used by management gurus around the world as the prime example of "what not to do"

Tough decisions had to be made to stop the UK going into reverse and no doubt there was suffering involved to achieve it - but our relative economic prosperity today owes more than a small amount to the decisions made by Thatcher, a sound base that future governments (Major and Blair) were able to build on successfully.

pslewis

What Bollox!!

Pete

Diablo

Well said

LOL @ Pete's "what bollox"

Anyway, have we not generally agreed previously that they are ALL a bunch of tossers

tiggers

Absolutely!