Smudga

As the man said if you worry about fuel don't drive one of these

Now I can get Optimax @ 84p/l so thats 7p more so if I did this:

12000miles Pa
20mpg average = 600 galls
That is = 2727.6 litres
7p cost differ = £190.93 per year
Thats = £15.91 per month
Thats = £3.67 per week
Wots the problem?

Personally mine runs better on the stuff. The Integra type R similarly ran much better on 98 than 95

MarksWRX

And yet on the sticker on the inside of my fuel flap (UK MY01) it states 'use super unleaded fuel only'.
When I first got my scoob I used SUL then when Optimax became available I switched to that and got an extra 25/30 miles per tank ( I almost said better economy then...lmao...economy and impreza...hahahaha).

Moray

Its not a cost issue. My point is people are to caught up on fuel when they will happily run on 95 ron. After all it isnt an F1 engine

mannyfold

i asked the bloke in sainsburys where they get their fuel after hearing him mention bp to a colleuge. he said they always get it from bp. sometimes from the same tanker so how can it be any different from ultimate?

Moray

It isnt any diff, ask the tanker drivers who deliver it!

MarksWRX

No it isnt an F1 engine. A scooby engine has a much harder life being expected to run slowly round town then blast up and down motorways as well as rip up A/B roads day in day out for thousands of miles between services, not get stripped and serviced every couple of hundred miles.

Manners

02 bugley, manual states 95 or higher, open the filler cap and it says SUPER UNLEADED ONLY

Smudga

Yip hear what you say, but I have the ppp on the Sti and it really does seem to run better, not much point in spending all that if you aint going to get the best out of it. Sure it will run on 95 and you can reset if necessary, but higher octane will give more.

Many moons ago used to run a Sunbeam Stilletto 915cc then upped to 998cc, big valve, webbers etc at the time 5* fuel was about 101 octane advance the timing bit of jetting, went like stink much better than normal 4*

If you are a sensitive driver you can detect as little as 2bhp in performance - notice those days when its hot and sticky, the car feels sluggish, yet on a damp cool morning it feels more lively, thats your difference between 95 & 98 IMHO that is.

mannyfold

moray,

good point, next time i see one i will ask him. i mostly use sainsburys sul, since i chuck OB in it as well i figure the difference should be negligable- hopefully. sometimes use optimax if i'm near shell 85.9p but am not too religious about it, yet.

Moray

I see what you mean about the sensitivity issue and I agree higher octane should give more power. As I said people get to caught up on Octane Rating of fuel then stick crappy oil like Mobil 1 in a Subaru engine and defeat whole purpose

Geek Boy

95 ron fuel is like puttin tesco value larger in your body.

..it deserves better

Smudga

Not to hijack the issue but whats wrong with Mobil 1 in a scooby? I used to use it in the Type R Integra and was good

alwong

It has to be different otherwise aren't they marketing something their not selling? Trading standards??

Moray

good point! but it still gets you pissed eventually just need to drink more

Smudga

Rather have 1 nice one that 3 cr*p ones though............anyway I off to the pub

Moray

Check out some of Oilmans threads !

mannyfold

who? sainsburys or bp?

if bp are sayin that "ultimate" is indeed the ultimate fuel they produce then they are telling the truth i suppose.

sainsburys don't say anything in terms of advertising fuel other that octane, hard fact, and price, which fluctuates.

in either case this doesn't neccessarily negate the possability of them being identicle.

if we are to belive that the sul at sainsburys is different to ultimate them bp must produce three grades of unleaded petrol?!?!?

would this be economically viable for them?

i wouldn't be suprised if sainsburys sold it as a loss leader anyway!?!

Moray

Exactly thats why it is same petrol as BP Ultimate. Its not the supermarket brand its the refinery that refines it. They are not going to change processes just to fit Sainsbury's in. Not cost effective!

mannyfold

so we're agreed then, you can get bp ultimate down sainsburys for 79.9p (where i live)

i shall sleep easier now, and ever such a tiny bit wealthier.

kbsub

That will be me then

Depends where in the country you are buying your fuel from , as to which supplier Sainsbury use , I know for a fact in West Yorkshire Sainsbury tanker driver's load at LOR refinery at Imminhgam , which is owned by Total , therefore Sainsburys SUL = Total SUL
In the north west and Chesire etc all fuel will be loaded at Stanlow refinery ( Shell ) or Manchester loading terminal Trafford park Which is fed by pipeline from Fawley terminal on the south coast (Esso )
North east , most comes from Jarrow terminal (Shell )Which is fed by train from Stanlow,
although i think BP have a place next door to it

If you want to know exatacly what fuel you are using ask the manager at the garage or if you see the tanker driver delivering the stuff ask him where he as loaded it

P.S

MY 04 STI PPP runs great on Sainsbury SUL
and has never seen Optimax

mannyfold

kbsub,

i am in the SW (plymouth) does this mean our fuel comes from fawley ( nr southampton right?) which is owned as you say by esso?

would that mean that bp buy it from esso and then sell it on?

or is there another refinery it comes from down to us?

kbsub

If you buy Esso on the south coast it will be from Fawley Esso , BP have a refinery at Stanford le hope Essex , so buy BP in the south it will be BP

Shell i am not sure , they might have a loading terminal and train it down from Stanlow or buy from another

A good clue is though , if the Shell garage sells Optimax it will be SHELL petrol as they wont buy (swap) Opitamx with another oil company ( as its exclusive to Shell )
This why Optimax is not available all over the country , its all to do with logistics , i.e. getting the stuff from the refinery to different parts of the country

Supermarkets in the south ? I am not sure , best to ask the manager or if you see the tanker driver ask
BUT IT WILL BE BOUGHT FROM A MAJOR OIL COMPANY

markGT

I know where you can buy 98 RON for 66 pence a litre. Costs me about £26 to fill up, so the scooby doesn't really cost a lot to run. Where can you get such cheap 98 RON petrol? France! Can't imagine running the scooby in the UK. I was back there at xmas and I couldn't believe the price of 98 or 95 for that matter 'bloody rip off britain'. I feel really sorry for enthusiasts like yourselves who are finding it harder and harder to run their pride and joy's because of the greedy goverment in power.

Anyway rant over, I hope this hasn't made you all too depressed!

pmarch

On 10,000 miles per year in my MY01 WRX, I reckon the annual premium for using Optimax is about £87 - based on 26MPG average. £87 sounds a waste of money but it's just a cheapy meal out with the family and grandparents - or maybe four tickets to an away football match inc. car park etc.

On second thoughts.. nah, I'll stick with Optimax.

kbsub

How about getting £87 and throwing down the drain

TomCat

My scoob (which the previous owner might possibly have had tek2'd, but I wouldn't know that!) definitely notices the difference between 95RON, Esso SUL and Optimax.

On wide open throttle in 4th or 5th, if its been on lower RON petrol the boost starts dropping from 17psi, then - it notices - decent petrol! - and goes back up to 17 and holds it. fun fun fun!

sparkykev

An Esso pipeline going from Southampton to Manchester..... That could be passing under my back garden, time to start digging me thinks.

Moray

You average 26 mpg, have you thought about buying a sensible car and trading that in

Moray

Excellent, so it is official Supermarket fuel is no different from what you get at Oil company pumps. Still wish I had a sainsbury pump here with SUL :|

wrxmania

Inside the fuel flap on my MY03 WRX (UK car) it says 98RON Unleaded.