Wetherspoons Ban Smoking in their Pubs!
24 January 2005, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
Name one person and provide proof.
24 January 2005, 08:50 PM
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As an ex-smoker (3 1/2 years) who used to puff down a pack or more a day, every day, I fully support a ban on smoking or at least a requirement to ventilate the place properly.
My employer has provided a subsidised staff bar in the building and it's the only public space where smoking is still allowed. The irony is that there is a smoking room directly outside the bar (but inside the building), but because nobody *has* to use it, they don't! I was in there last Thursday for a session and regretted it when I got home because my clothes stank pretty badly.
Smokers are more and more in a minority and need to understand that their selfish ways are less and less appreciated.
Here endeth the sermon.
Suresh
My employer has provided a subsidised staff bar in the building and it's the only public space where smoking is still allowed. The irony is that there is a smoking room directly outside the bar (but inside the building), but because nobody *has* to use it, they don't! I was in there last Thursday for a session and regretted it when I got home because my clothes stank pretty badly.
Smokers are more and more in a minority and need to understand that their selfish ways are less and less appreciated.
Here endeth the sermon.
Suresh
24 January 2005, 09:12 PM
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they can't bring this in soon enough, i hate the fact that you buy a new shirt go out in the evening by the time you get home it absolutely stinks of smoke, the sooner its banned the better.
24 January 2005, 09:26 PM
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I smoke, but support a ban on smoking in public places. Anything that will encourage me to cut down or quit is a good thing.
A lot of the problem is the mental association of smoking with certain places & activities. Break this, and half the battle is won.
And pubs wil soon be able to apply for all-night licences too! woo-hoo!!
A lot of the problem is the mental association of smoking with certain places & activities. Break this, and half the battle is won.
And pubs wil soon be able to apply for all-night licences too! woo-hoo!!
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24 January 2005, 09:45 PM
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What about the people who work in these places?
They serve you with drinks and food whilst in return you smokers slowly kill them with your second hand smoke?
They have little choice, they need to earn an income and they should be allowed to do it in a smoke free environment.
If you want to smoke, stay at home and kill yourself before you goto the pub.
They serve you with drinks and food whilst in return you smokers slowly kill them with your second hand smoke?
They have little choice, they need to earn an income and they should be allowed to do it in a smoke free environment.
If you want to smoke, stay at home and kill yourself before you goto the pub.
24 January 2005, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
Jerome, I thought smoking is banned in all public places, inside?
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As much as I hate the ban on principle, it has made giving up much easier.
24 January 2005, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian_S
24 January 2005, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave uk blue mica
they can't bring this in soon enough, i hate the fact that you buy a new shirt go out in the evening by the time you get home it absolutely stinks of smoke, the sooner its banned the better.
24 January 2005, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray_li
i think they are gonna try it out in birmingham first. if you fancy a drink in a non-smoking pub in brum Pete i'll buy you a drink. 
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24 January 2005, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
sum stinking old woman came in for a car wash, paid the lad while puffing away her last few drags, then dropped the ****en dumper on the prewash pad right in front of me 
does she not ****en relise that sumbody has to clean that **** up :mad
i felt like putting the thing back in her car at the end of the wash
does she not ****en relise that sumbody has to clean that **** up :mad i felt like putting the thing back in her car at the end of the wash
25 January 2005, 12:01 AM
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I dont go to pubs because the smoke kicks off my asthma and similar allergic reactions (eyes, nose etc.)
A good quote on this debate is "having a no-smoking section of a room is like having a no-pissing section of a pool"
But I still think the ban is a bit much, if they could sort it so that there was a decent mixture of smoking pubs and non-smoking pubs it could work, not sure what to do about the staff serving in them though.
What really does my head in though is the smokers all huddled around the main enterance of non-smoking buildings such as most places of work, you still have to walk through it all.
One of my previous employers provided smoking sheds dotted around the site, they were like little bus shelters with chimneys and the smoke didn't bother you unless you walked right up to the door, but as they were positioned a few metres from any throughfare it worked fine.
I suppose, failing that, you could give all your bar staff gas masks or something :P
A good quote on this debate is "having a no-smoking section of a room is like having a no-pissing section of a pool"
But I still think the ban is a bit much, if they could sort it so that there was a decent mixture of smoking pubs and non-smoking pubs it could work, not sure what to do about the staff serving in them though.
What really does my head in though is the smokers all huddled around the main enterance of non-smoking buildings such as most places of work, you still have to walk through it all.
One of my previous employers provided smoking sheds dotted around the site, they were like little bus shelters with chimneys and the smoke didn't bother you unless you walked right up to the door, but as they were positioned a few metres from any throughfare it worked fine.
I suppose, failing that, you could give all your bar staff gas masks or something :P
25 January 2005, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Have we reached the point where somebody mentions that Government income from cigarettes exceeds NHS treatment costs? I always enjoy that bit.
25 January 2005, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
It was interesting to hear on the news this morning that following the public smoking ban in California (7 years ago), tabacco sales fell initially but are now at an all time high. Looks like that plan worked well, so well in fact we plan to follow suit 
Also it's worth bearing in mind that pubs make huge margins from soft drinks and relatively little from a pint of beer. Even if they lose some custom from the smokers, they may be compensated by attracting different customers with higher margin tastes.
25 January 2005, 04:18 AM
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Weve got as much right to smoke as non smokers have to not smoke,why should non smokers spoil our fun, when we cant spoil theirs? childish i know but i see it as an invasion of my right to smoke. Want fresh air stand outside and dont go to a bar or pub where people have smoked for years......
25 January 2005, 04:47 AM
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When I was living in the UK Wetherspoons pubs were choka with all types of people both the young and old......but all scumbags.
All IMHO.
Cheap alcho pops and Double for the price of singles????.......its like a magnet for the unwashed !! he he he !!
The smell of cigs will be replaced by cheap perfume and aftershave with occasional wafts of vomit.
All IMHO.
Cheap alcho pops and Double for the price of singles????.......its like a magnet for the unwashed !! he he he !!
The smell of cigs will be replaced by cheap perfume and aftershave with occasional wafts of vomit.
25 January 2005, 08:46 AM
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Weve got as much right to smoke as non smokers have to not smoke,why should non smokers spoil our fun, when we cant spoil theirs?
You've had your go now run along and take your smokes somewhere private or outside. It won't be welcome in pubs. You will still have EVERY right to smoke, just not in enclosed public places.
25 January 2005, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
A pub is a public place. Hence public house.
The only errosion of rights and choices would come by NOT enforcing a ban. Smoking in a pub affects all, smoking at home only affects those who smoke (maybe family to).
The only errosion of rights and choices would come by NOT enforcing a ban. Smoking in a pub affects all, smoking at home only affects those who smoke (maybe family to).
Originally Posted by TheBigMan
You're saying "why should smokers be forced not to smoke in a pub". Others are saying "why should non smokers be forced to breathe in somebody elses smoke".
Originally Posted by TheBigMan
Something that concerns me is that you feel that a pub is somewhere that should encourage smoking, like the smoker has a god given right to smoke 'cos its a pub'.
Originally Posted by TheBigMan
As soon as someone elses actions affect my livelihood it becomes my problem - government aren't going to ban smoking, the loss from taxes coupled with the rants of "dictatorship" prevent any such action.
Originally Posted by TheBigMan
Their proposals are a compromise - allow smokers to smoke as long as it affects nobody else. This I am in 100% agreement with and is long over due.
25 January 2005, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
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Smokers will still go to the pub (and disappear aver 1/2 hour for a fix, although many may just give up)
Smokers will still go to the pub (and disappear aver 1/2 hour for a fix, although many may just give up)
Is there anyone here who HONESTLY will stop going to pubs if there's a smoking ban in pubs?
25 January 2005, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dharbige
What a dumb argument. It's legal for me to sing loudly out of tune, but if I go to the local pub (not on karaoke evening, obviously), and start wailing through "I Should Be So Lucky" at the top of my voice, I'd probably be asked to leave. Why? It's not illegal to sing.
BECAUSE IT WILL INTERFERE WITH THE ENJOYMENT OF OTHER CUSTOMERS!
BECAUSE IT WILL INTERFERE WITH THE ENJOYMENT OF OTHER CUSTOMERS!
If I as I suspect, you have never tried this and are just making stuff up with nothing to support your claim I suggest you stop trying to "guess" what all the pub landlords in the country would do in a given situation and actually submit some facts to support your claim, but that's so much harder than making stuff up isn't it?
25 January 2005, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
OllyK is supporting a selfish stance that is a concensus of most smokers.
Your point (IN CAPITALS) is pretty much all that needs to be said on this point. Anyone with any common sense will agree.
Your point (IN CAPITALS) is pretty much all that needs to be said on this point. Anyone with any common sense will agree.
Funny, you want to ban something that people currently have the right to do. This ban will "INTERFERE WITH THE ENJOYMENT OF OTHER CUSTOMERS!"
Oh gee - I am a selfish non-smoker and I want to have things my way at the expense of others!
25 January 2005, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian_S
Lynn Kish was a non-smoker who died of lung cancer at the age of 40. Lynn, a mother of two young children, told us just before she died that she got her illness from singing in night-clubs.
Can you also please prove that it is impossible to get lung cancer without exposure to cigarette smoke and show that environmental pollutants from cars etc have no causal effect in lung cancer. Thanks.
25 January 2005, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
OllyK, I think you misheard the story. California banned smoking in public places and initially sales of alcohol in bars dropped off, but now sales have recovered to an all time high.
Depends which spin you want to believe I guess!
25 January 2005, 11:15 AM
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People shouldn't have to feel worried for their health by going to work/going to a public place just because of other people's selfishness. Being denied a cigarette wont kill you, being denied clean fresh air might.