Guantanamo "britains" return home....
28 January 2005, 04:16 PM
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Sorry Big Man but vaping your posts on this thread would be the best idea.
I cant identify any home truths from you.
Asif
I cant identify any home truths from you.
Asif
They'd be able to pick up some recruits from here.
Bob
28 January 2005, 05:33 PM
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It is disappointing to see such right wing fascist views, especially when Flatcapdriver explained the situation in Guantanamo extremely well and how the USA is so morally wrong as well as acting illegally with respect to its own constitution, the Geneva convention, and natural law.
Those supporting these actions give the impression that they would like to see a virtual dictatorship with the electorate having no protection in law against the edicts of a repressive government.
Look back in history, not all that far really, and you will see the results of governing bodies with that kind of power. Is that really what you want to risk, because thats what will eventually happen.
Our laws and their administration have been admired by the rest of the world and used as a model for many years. If this sort of excessive power with no fear of reprisal is granted then our own protections will just be kicked into touch.
Les
Those supporting these actions give the impression that they would like to see a virtual dictatorship with the electorate having no protection in law against the edicts of a repressive government.
Look back in history, not all that far really, and you will see the results of governing bodies with that kind of power. Is that really what you want to risk, because thats what will eventually happen.
Our laws and their administration have been admired by the rest of the world and used as a model for many years. If this sort of excessive power with no fear of reprisal is granted then our own protections will just be kicked into touch.
Les
28 January 2005, 05:46 PM
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You should leave the post on no matter how bad they seem to you.Not everything in life is seen through rose tinted glasses.After all it is a free democratic country.But these said few chose to fight for a regime that pursacuted freedom of speech.Plus they were fighting against our own troops they should count themselves lucky they weren't shot upon the moment of capture.If i was there i wouldnt have thought twice about slotting them.
28 January 2005, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Leave the posts there, after all its peoples opinions on a public BBS. It also shows those fond of BNP/**** values (TheBigMan)
They'd be able to pick up some recruits from here.
Bob
They'd be able to pick up some recruits from here.
Bob
How very simplistic you are.
28 January 2005, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
simplistic??Your posts: 'send them back home'
'they dont sound British'
You'll find many like minded, ill-educated, social misfits in the BNP.
Try it. I think you'll find you have alot in common.
Bob
28 January 2005, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
So you most of your posts on this thread (most of which were spoken like a true right-wing supporter) were jokes 
28 January 2005, 08:46 PM
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I am generally a right wing person yes - though not quite in the realms of being a **** lover. Some are jokes, aothers I'm just wound up. It's all a BBS so nothing on here can really be seen as serious surely.
28 January 2005, 08:54 PM
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gcollier aka garys post
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Moses,
I believe that everyone is entitled to defend themselves and fight for what they believe in.
When someone finds themselves on the opposite side of a conflict to British soldiers, it's time to make a choice - irrespective of "who got their first", where do their loyalties lie?
If they want to pledge loyalty to an Afghan tribe and to fight the British then that is their right.
But why they should get a heroes welcome in the country they were fighting against is beyond me. How can Britain even be considered "home" under such circumstances?
Gary.
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Dear gary, sorry i wasnt on yesterday, working.
i totally agree with what u said mate, but im giving it u from their perspective.
lets say gary, one day u were in uzbekistan or something, u saw these ruthless tribal warlords butchering people and raping and pillaging people and u feel the innocents pain and their cries, and u decide to go to uzbekistan and fight for the people who are oppressing u, but not for money, just cause u are a humanist and feel their pain , while u are out their fighting the usa and the brits invade and help the other ruthless tribal warlords and while they hunt the people u are helping, one of them confronts u and is trying to shoot u, u wont look at him as a british soldier, he is the one pointing the gun at u, but u need to defend yourself mate, u have a family and wife and kids waiting back home, u would shoot most def.
my loyality lies with God, islam and my country scotland and as a whole britain but not to a unjust war, were my people are gonna butcher civilains in iraq and afghanistan to get just the one man or for their oil.
lets say mate, i was a freedomfighter with alot of power. i wish i was a superhero like batman and superman
supermujahid.
lets say i was fighting for the liberation of iraq from invaders for talking sake and im a scotsman, my loyalty would be to islam and the uk.
i will be fighting oppressors and halliburton lovers and oil fanatics like the usa for example, i wouldnt go out slaughtering civilians, life is sacred but only the soldiers who invaded the country and working for their power and oil hungry country.
i aint no iraqi, its my right to defend the land of muslims against people who open your country to free markets to milk it, democracy to them is give us your resources and we will mint it from u.
same time i would be doing it as a brit, to liberate oppressed people, i wont go out fighting the british soldiers, coz their fellow brits, my fight will be with the usa alone and the traitor iraqis who are puppets of the usa, i didnt go to that country to kill anyone but to liberate it, my intention wont be to slaughter people for the sake of it, like this ******* zarqawi who doesnt see a difference between poor civilians and military.
and i wont fight against my own people the british soldiers unless, they were coming out to wipe us out and then i have the right to defend myself and group dont i, but i wont go out my way to fight against fellow brits.
it dont make me a traitor , i will always be a brit, if any terrorist was plotting to bomb britain, if i was powerful enough, as a muslim brit, its my right to defend it against terrorists of any religion or country or invaders, i would give my life for it.
but for me to go and occupy another nation, with a lie about weapons of mass destruction, no chance mate, not for oil or controlling that region to please the neocons and zionists.
who is pushing the usa to go and attack iran, or sanction it, its the zionist neocons and israel themself arent they.
lest u forget gary, my ancestors ( before pakistan was made) indians were in the front line cleaning f***cking mines for the british military in the world war 2 and fighting for them, from muslims,sikhs, hindus, gurkhas, all my people, u forget that bud.
the very jewel on our queens crown is from my ancestors, uncle buck would tell u, we spoke about it before and he got a shock when he found out it was true
the KOHI NOOR on the queens crown was stolen from our ancestors, the moghul muslim empire and then passed on to the sikh prince and then the queen.
gary i hope u understand bud, in short the war is white vs the lil coloured folk, for superiority.
u can give it any name u want, white man cant stop harrasing lil brown and yella people, they wanna **** up your country and steal your treasures, its sad but true, not all but alot. mark thatcher is proof and george w bush, whiteman cant stop doing these things.
kill a few thousand white people all hell breaks loose, kill hundreds of thousands of brown and yellow men, it will be forgotten but by a few.
when u hear bush and blair calling themselves the civilized world, its so sick and sad actually, as if the 3rd world are all animals.
western world aint civilized, they live for capitalism, globalisation, how many girls u can ****, how many drinks u can have, gambling and buy now pay later.
our leaders are using us as cattle and slaves to milk money out of us gary, u know its true, thats what they live for, how much money and business they can make out of u.
im glad god chose me to be a scots muslim.
i can become a better muslim in my country than a so called muslim country, i owe a debt to scotland i can never repay back, this is my home and if i have to defend it with my life i would.
william wallace wasnt a traitor coz he thought against the english was he, no he was a hero, he thought against occupiers of scotland, any means necessary mate, thats what he taught us, never be slaves and oppressed, fight to our deaths till the last oppressor.
iraq is better without saddam.
but i wish we did it properly without the usa, with us brits, germans, swedish, french and some muslim countries who are cowards when it comes defending the honour of muslims.
no one would have rejected that, only problem muslims have is america and the israelis, no one else
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Moses,
I believe that everyone is entitled to defend themselves and fight for what they believe in.
When someone finds themselves on the opposite side of a conflict to British soldiers, it's time to make a choice - irrespective of "who got their first", where do their loyalties lie?
If they want to pledge loyalty to an Afghan tribe and to fight the British then that is their right.
But why they should get a heroes welcome in the country they were fighting against is beyond me. How can Britain even be considered "home" under such circumstances?
Gary.
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Dear gary, sorry i wasnt on yesterday, working.
i totally agree with what u said mate, but im giving it u from their perspective.
lets say gary, one day u were in uzbekistan or something, u saw these ruthless tribal warlords butchering people and raping and pillaging people and u feel the innocents pain and their cries, and u decide to go to uzbekistan and fight for the people who are oppressing u, but not for money, just cause u are a humanist and feel their pain , while u are out their fighting the usa and the brits invade and help the other ruthless tribal warlords and while they hunt the people u are helping, one of them confronts u and is trying to shoot u, u wont look at him as a british soldier, he is the one pointing the gun at u, but u need to defend yourself mate, u have a family and wife and kids waiting back home, u would shoot most def.
my loyality lies with God, islam and my country scotland and as a whole britain but not to a unjust war, were my people are gonna butcher civilains in iraq and afghanistan to get just the one man or for their oil.
lets say mate, i was a freedomfighter with alot of power. i wish i was a superhero like batman and superman
supermujahid.lets say i was fighting for the liberation of iraq from invaders for talking sake and im a scotsman, my loyalty would be to islam and the uk.
i will be fighting oppressors and halliburton lovers and oil fanatics like the usa for example, i wouldnt go out slaughtering civilians, life is sacred but only the soldiers who invaded the country and working for their power and oil hungry country.
i aint no iraqi, its my right to defend the land of muslims against people who open your country to free markets to milk it, democracy to them is give us your resources and we will mint it from u.
same time i would be doing it as a brit, to liberate oppressed people, i wont go out fighting the british soldiers, coz their fellow brits, my fight will be with the usa alone and the traitor iraqis who are puppets of the usa, i didnt go to that country to kill anyone but to liberate it, my intention wont be to slaughter people for the sake of it, like this ******* zarqawi who doesnt see a difference between poor civilians and military.
and i wont fight against my own people the british soldiers unless, they were coming out to wipe us out and then i have the right to defend myself and group dont i, but i wont go out my way to fight against fellow brits.
it dont make me a traitor , i will always be a brit, if any terrorist was plotting to bomb britain, if i was powerful enough, as a muslim brit, its my right to defend it against terrorists of any religion or country or invaders, i would give my life for it.
but for me to go and occupy another nation, with a lie about weapons of mass destruction, no chance mate, not for oil or controlling that region to please the neocons and zionists.
who is pushing the usa to go and attack iran, or sanction it, its the zionist neocons and israel themself arent they.
lest u forget gary, my ancestors ( before pakistan was made) indians were in the front line cleaning f***cking mines for the british military in the world war 2 and fighting for them, from muslims,sikhs, hindus, gurkhas, all my people, u forget that bud.
the very jewel on our queens crown is from my ancestors, uncle buck would tell u, we spoke about it before and he got a shock when he found out it was true
the KOHI NOOR on the queens crown was stolen from our ancestors, the moghul muslim empire and then passed on to the sikh prince and then the queen.
gary i hope u understand bud, in short the war is white vs the lil coloured folk, for superiority.
u can give it any name u want, white man cant stop harrasing lil brown and yella people, they wanna **** up your country and steal your treasures, its sad but true, not all but alot. mark thatcher is proof and george w bush, whiteman cant stop doing these things.
kill a few thousand white people all hell breaks loose, kill hundreds of thousands of brown and yellow men, it will be forgotten but by a few.
when u hear bush and blair calling themselves the civilized world, its so sick and sad actually, as if the 3rd world are all animals.
western world aint civilized, they live for capitalism, globalisation, how many girls u can ****, how many drinks u can have, gambling and buy now pay later.
our leaders are using us as cattle and slaves to milk money out of us gary, u know its true, thats what they live for, how much money and business they can make out of u.
im glad god chose me to be a scots muslim.
i can become a better muslim in my country than a so called muslim country, i owe a debt to scotland i can never repay back, this is my home and if i have to defend it with my life i would.
william wallace wasnt a traitor coz he thought against the english was he, no he was a hero, he thought against occupiers of scotland, any means necessary mate, thats what he taught us, never be slaves and oppressed, fight to our deaths till the last oppressor.
iraq is better without saddam.
but i wish we did it properly without the usa, with us brits, germans, swedish, french and some muslim countries who are cowards when it comes defending the honour of muslims.
no one would have rejected that, only problem muslims have is america and the israelis, no one else
28 January 2005, 09:08 PM
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gary have a read here if u can pls
http://islamonline.net/English/News/...rticle05.shtml
italian judge says its ok to resist occupation
MILAN, January 26 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – An Italian judge has dropped charges of terrorism against five Arab citizens accused of sending fighters to Iraq to resist the US occupation forces, a ruling that drew fire from the pro-US Italian government of Silvio Berlusconi.
Judge Clementina Forleo said Monday, January 24, in documents seen by Reuters that there was no concrete evidence the four Tunisians and one Moroccan were involved in anything beyond what might be considered as “guerrilla” activities.
“Historically, the activity of the cells in question coincided with the United States’ attack on Iraq,” Reuters quoted a statement explaining Forleo's judgment.
“Numerous intercepted conversations refer to that event, and to the need to stem as much as possible its foreseeable negative impact by helping the ‘brothers’ in the conflict zone, either economically or by sending combatants to strengthen their armed groups.
“It has not been proven that these paramilitary structures provided for concrete programs with targets exceeding guerrilla activity,” the missive added.
The five Arab citizens were arrested last year under a law introduced after the September 11 attacks on charges of sending fighters to war-torn Iraq and planning attacks in Europe.
But the judge said there was no evidence of planning attacks in Europe and that sending fighters or funds to Iraq did not amount to terrorism.
Italy has a 3,000-strong contingent including ground troops, pilots along with three naval ships and 40 Red Cross volunteers in occupied Iraq.
Poor Evidence
The Italian judge said much of the submitted evidence against the five men were of very poor quality and relied on intelligence reports rather than hard evidence.
Forleo sentenced Bouyahia Maher and Ali Ben Sassi Toumi to three years and Mohammed Daki to 22 months in jail for trading forged documents, a sentence far less than the prison terms of up to 10 years prosecutors had requested.
Dirissi Noureddine and Kamel Hamraoui were referred by the Italian judge to another court because of a question of regional jurisdiction.
Forleo's ruling drew a strong reaction from the Italian government with Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini saying the judgment was a “shameless distortion of a reality that is under the eyes of the entire world.”
“To say in the ruling that 'in the conflict in question all armed actors have used instruments with an extremely high offensive potential' means you are placing the victims and the butchers on the same level,” Fini said in a statement.
Forleo's decision also prompted outrage from the Italian mass media and newspapers.
The La Stampa newspaper ran a blistering editorial with an English-language headline “Clementina Go Home,” blasting the judge for being unpatriotic.
The Dublin-based International Association of Muslim Scholars (IAMS) has ruled that resisting occupation troops in Iraq was a “duty” on able Muslims in and outside the country and that aiding the occupier was impermissible.
On the indiscriminate attacks that claim the lives of innocent civilians, the IAMS asked resistance fighters not to target women, children and the elderly even if they were of the occupiers’ nationalities.
A cohort of prominent Saudi scholars have further defended resistance against the occupation forces in Iraq as a legitimate right, prohibiting cooperation with the occupiers and collaboration against resistance groups
http://islamonline.net/English/News/...rticle05.shtml
italian judge says its ok to resist occupation
MILAN, January 26 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – An Italian judge has dropped charges of terrorism against five Arab citizens accused of sending fighters to Iraq to resist the US occupation forces, a ruling that drew fire from the pro-US Italian government of Silvio Berlusconi.
Judge Clementina Forleo said Monday, January 24, in documents seen by Reuters that there was no concrete evidence the four Tunisians and one Moroccan were involved in anything beyond what might be considered as “guerrilla” activities.
“Historically, the activity of the cells in question coincided with the United States’ attack on Iraq,” Reuters quoted a statement explaining Forleo's judgment.
“Numerous intercepted conversations refer to that event, and to the need to stem as much as possible its foreseeable negative impact by helping the ‘brothers’ in the conflict zone, either economically or by sending combatants to strengthen their armed groups.
“It has not been proven that these paramilitary structures provided for concrete programs with targets exceeding guerrilla activity,” the missive added.
The five Arab citizens were arrested last year under a law introduced after the September 11 attacks on charges of sending fighters to war-torn Iraq and planning attacks in Europe.
But the judge said there was no evidence of planning attacks in Europe and that sending fighters or funds to Iraq did not amount to terrorism.
Italy has a 3,000-strong contingent including ground troops, pilots along with three naval ships and 40 Red Cross volunteers in occupied Iraq.
Poor Evidence
The Italian judge said much of the submitted evidence against the five men were of very poor quality and relied on intelligence reports rather than hard evidence.
Forleo sentenced Bouyahia Maher and Ali Ben Sassi Toumi to three years and Mohammed Daki to 22 months in jail for trading forged documents, a sentence far less than the prison terms of up to 10 years prosecutors had requested.
Dirissi Noureddine and Kamel Hamraoui were referred by the Italian judge to another court because of a question of regional jurisdiction.
Forleo's ruling drew a strong reaction from the Italian government with Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini saying the judgment was a “shameless distortion of a reality that is under the eyes of the entire world.”
“To say in the ruling that 'in the conflict in question all armed actors have used instruments with an extremely high offensive potential' means you are placing the victims and the butchers on the same level,” Fini said in a statement.
Forleo's decision also prompted outrage from the Italian mass media and newspapers.
The La Stampa newspaper ran a blistering editorial with an English-language headline “Clementina Go Home,” blasting the judge for being unpatriotic.
The Dublin-based International Association of Muslim Scholars (IAMS) has ruled that resisting occupation troops in Iraq was a “duty” on able Muslims in and outside the country and that aiding the occupier was impermissible.
On the indiscriminate attacks that claim the lives of innocent civilians, the IAMS asked resistance fighters not to target women, children and the elderly even if they were of the occupiers’ nationalities.
A cohort of prominent Saudi scholars have further defended resistance against the occupation forces in Iraq as a legitimate right, prohibiting cooperation with the occupiers and collaboration against resistance groups
28 January 2005, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Why? Aren't serious discussions allowed on the internet?
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28 January 2005, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Suppose we should kick Gays out too then
It is obvious that your posts are not jokes and purely right wing/BNP/**** views.
It is obvious that your posts are not jokes and purely right wing/BNP/**** views.
If we're doing name calling dare I suggest you're a left wing ponse who likes reading the Guardian and wearing cardigans?
28 January 2005, 09:31 PM
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And you may find yourself more at home here: http://www.gaydar.co.uk
....I'm quite happy looking here thanks >>>>> http://www.conservatives.com
....I'm quite happy looking here thanks >>>>> http://www.conservatives.com
28 January 2005, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
Naah, gay's are fine.
If we're doing name calling dare I suggest you're a left wing ponse who likes reading the Guardian and wearing cardigans?
If we're doing name calling dare I suggest you're a left wing ponse who likes reading the Guardian and wearing cardigans?
I will leave you to it.
Bob
28 January 2005, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
You can suggest what you wish. I know what I would rather be given the two choices and it wouldn't be a race hating, uneducated, ill-informed, social misfit BNP/**** supporter.
I will leave you to it.
Bob
I will leave you to it.
Bob
I'll also allow you to suggest what you wish - safe in the knowledge that you are, again, wrong.
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