Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

I think they should be banned on safety grounds alone. They are TWICE as likely to kill.

If I was involved in an accident I would like to think that the car would stand a fighting chance of keeping me and my passengers alive....a hope lost if in a collision with a 4x4/SUV/Off Roader

Bob

InvisibleMan

unfortunately i live in a village with one of the highest number of millionaires. They all drive selfishly in their SUVs - x5s, porche cheyennes, mercs, volvos, hummers, chryslers. I am also in an area of several private schools so mothers are driving (note: their 1 ) child to school. Do they have a clue? all money no common-sence...

Im moving soon as they are seriously pi$$ing me off...

Iain Young

I can park my dads Isuzu trooper in smaller spaces than my next door neighbour can park her Nissan Micra in (really !!). It also uses less fuel than my scooby, or several other cars I could mention, is much safer on the road than a normal car when towing a trailer, and I can easily get all of our musical instruments etc into it when going to orchestra rehearsals / concerts.

They do not use more fuel than "normal" cars, and they are almost as easy to drive, (a bit harder to park). Trouble is that the majority of drivers out there are extremely bad, and having a larger vehicle just seems to amplify the problem. They look bigger when on the road, but the majority have a footprint that is no bigger, or even smaller, that a lot of "normal" cars.

Iain Young

What do you drive then?

InvisibleMan

scoob wrx

Iain Young

Better ban all of the transit vans, lorries, mpvs etc on the roads as well then. There are far more of those than there are suvs and the damage you'd get would be far worse....

Iain Young

Hmm, nice eco friendly 4x4 car then

mattstant

One of THE biggest city polluters are Diesel Buses.
Think about it they make one journey during the morning when they are full then tool about the rest of the day completely empty chuking out some of the worst fumes from any vehicle on the road.

Now i wonder how those pillocks posting fake tickets onto 4x4s got to where they were ????? oh and nice addition to the litter in the streets with those stupid tickets as well.

I am not a big 4X4 owner by the way and some times i think they are a pain when driven poorly by women and men around town.
But for ***** sake they account for 7% of private vehicles and most of them are newer cleaner diesels with catalytic converters.

InvisibleMan

its not all about the eco. its more that they need to learn how to drive them.

lorries on a whole know their place & will drive where they should be & at safe distances. you will also drive at a distance behind them. Its the suvs which have a lot of power so hurtle down the outside lane & expect you to move over. They drive their vehicle like a car, keeping a car/half car distance behind the car in front. I trust lorry drivers but not suvs so will keep further back from them because ive no idea whats in front or how close they are to the car in front - they take more risks

also i friggin hate getting blinded by the headlights right in my eyeline

InvisibleMan

you have subaru too or is it a forester

Iain Young

You are joking right?

Try driving down the M4 every day like I do. It take an articulated hgv about the length of 3 football pitches to stop from 60mph, yet you frequently see them driving about 5 feet apart from each other. There's no way the lorry behind could see what's happening in front, and noway they could stop if there was a problem. It's pretty frightening seeing the way some of them drive.

Back of my car was nearly smashed in by a 911 turbo in the outside lane the other day. The driver was reading the paper and was using a phone at the same time whilst doing well over 80mph.

It's got nothing to do with the type of vehicle, it's the quality of the driving that is at fault, and this is abosultely NOT limited to suv vehicles.

I think they take exactly the same risks as everyone else. I frequently seen cars old and new, driving down the fast lane at 90mph+ with only a few feet between them. How is this any safer?

Also, If you are driving a safe distance behind the car in front, then it shouldn't make any difference how close they are to the car in front of them because you will be able to stop even if they can't.

Why is this any different to driving behind a transit btw (which could cause a great deal more damage in an accident than a suv)...

Like happens with evey car with poorly adjusted headlight you mean, or even worse, cars which drive along with front foglights on. (I'd like to ban all of those personally).

If the lights are adjusted properly, then you shouldn't get blinded. There are laws in place to regulate this, and if you are getting blinded, then the vehicle behind is probably breaking those laws and would fail an mot...

Iain Young

I have an STi. But I'm not the one complaining

Andy Tang

iTrader: (3)

Maybe I'm taking this a little personally as I have an SUV.

My Forester:

Is a bit longer than a classic Impreza
Is shorter than a Legacy
Is not as wide as a bugeye WRX
Sits lower about 4-6" lower than a Honda CRV

From some of the comments, if I were to use this run a child to school it would be unreasonable, but fine if you guys use your Imprezas!

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

Ok...if you think its so 'normal'. Will your dads Isuzu Trooper cause similar results in a collision with a car and pedistrian, as a 'normal' car would???

I think not.

Personally couldnt live with that if I were driving a big off-roader and crushed another car in an accident etc.

InvisibleMan

then why are you defending them & replying so anti-me? - a united stand needs to be taken to ban these ******* - BAN BAN BAN

i just dont understand the sudden "fashion" they have become thats all...the normal good old family saloon is called a "family" for a reason...

Iain Young

Probably not, but then again I drive slow enough in pedestrian areas that this is extemely unlikely to happen.

If this was the real case, we should also ban buses, transit vans, lorries etc from built up areas ad these are even more likely to cause major damage than a large suv.

Similarly, on the road I leave a big enough distance between my car and the car in front so that I know I can stop in time, (usually really annoying the car drivers behind me for leaving such a big gap).

I'd personally be much more worried about commercial vehicles, which on the whole are driven very badly, are much heavier, and are often much worsely maintained than private suvs.

All vehicles vary in their ability to maim and destroy. It's how they are driven that is the problem. If the vehicle was the cause of the problem then we should all ditch them and go back to penny farthings as they are far less likely to injure anyone in an accident than a car...

It's BAD DRIVING that's the problem....

InvisibleMan

yeah im sure the crush zones are different. With the difference in height wont the suv ones miss mine & align with the windscreen?....

Andy Tang

iTrader: (3)

You obviously don't know how much stuff kids need!!!

Iain Young

I just don't agree at all the vehicles should be banned. I think that the majority of drivers of them should be because of their clear lack of driving ability. This can also be applied to drivers or "normal" cars, but the suv seems to be the easy target at the moment as they are still the monority...

Can't get all the musical instruments in a family saloon. Can't tow trailers etc as safely with them either...

Iain Young

Not on the trooper it wouldn't (the front bumber isn't much higher than my scoobs). Can't comment about the others...

Certainly wouldn't be as bad as a lorry or transit hitting you and as already said, there are far more of those on the roads, all being driven just as badly and in a lot of cases, worse... (especially the private hire transits....)

InvisibleMan

the kids are getting more & more spoilt then, family cars have been around for how long...

maybe im bitter, ive managed with three in the back seat, walked to school. Let the lazy ******* walk - weve seen the reports, lazy kids, monicottled(sp), susceptible to infections because of clean evironment all wrapped in cotton wool, all PC bollocks....its done me no harm...

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

Surely your not saying you would rather be involved (sat in a normal car) in a head on collision against a Scoob rather than a Trooper are you?

Vans have a purpose. They are not used to shuttle kids to/from school and purshased as yuppie accessories. And as such, Off-roaders should be used as off-roaders.

Bob

InvisibleMan

enough of the lorries already forget i mentioned lorries

InvisibleMan

not from where im sitting in my car in the dark...is it still night time ah not sorry just the sunlight has been blocked...

Iain Young

Nope, but then again I'd rather not be involved in a collision with any vehicle bigger than mine. If you were in a collision between a smart car and a scoob, which would you rather be in?

Are you saying is that all cars should be made the same size and design to make sure all of the odds of surviving an accident the same?

My Dads SUV has a purpose. It's big enough to transport the musical instruments we use nearly every weekend, and it's big enough to tow his caravan safely. Other plus points are that it's a lot more comfortable to ride in than ANY car I've sat it, can seat 7 people, and you get a much better view of the road and surrounding countryside than from a car. The thought of describing my dad as a yuppie is laughable....

What doesn't seem to have been mentioned is that many of the suvs/4x4s that are being produced have higher safety ratings than a lot of the mpvs out there, and they don't get anywhere near the same amount of flack...

Dracoro

Out of interest Iain, why did your dad choose a 4x4 rather than a people carrier (or even a large estate) that would also carry all your gear, good view of the road and tow a caravan safely?

InvisibleMan

it wasnt listed in the poll ok yes theyre just as bad - dont even know whats the difference - is mpvs "like so last week SUVs are so now..."

we're not Americans hope we arent thinking as america has them so must be cool weve got to have them...

Andy Tang

iTrader: (3)

Don't justify why he needs a SUV!! If he wants one he should have one!

No one here has justified a need for a saloon/wagon which normally ferrys one person, use up fuel at a horrendous rate, or the need to have a car capable of over 150mph!

Iain Young

Wanted 4wd capability (takes the caravan to some pretty remote places, and has got stuck once or twice with a 2wd).

Had large estates before, and none of them offer the same comfort or view ad the trooper (the seating position is completely different and there's so much more room in the cabin).

The 4x4 is heavier than a lot of even very large estate cars. This makes it a lot more stable when towing than with a car, and as such, safer.

Looked around, and the 4x4 was cheaper than the alternatives (legacy estate etc), to buy, insure, and to run.

p.s. I'd like to see an estate car that can carry a set of timps, cello, violins, and 3 people as well

InvisibleMan

and on the subject of ruining the eco, i would like the complain about























the enormous amount of wasteful packaging Dhell's equipment comes in...