View Poll Results: Which Shoul Get Banned?
4x4's/SUV's/Off-Roaders/Soft-Roaders et al
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32.58%
Sanctimonious environmentalists who refuse to accept that a Nissan X-Trail is smaller than a Mondeo estate
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Which should get banned?
26 January 2005, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
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Only inverted snobs say things like that!
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Only inverted snobs say things like that!
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Never been called a snob before, let alone one that is upside down! 
It seems whatever people drive nowadays, whether its a 4x4, motorbike, high performance saloon/coupe etc there is always going to be someone out there who doesn't want you to drive it for whatever reason. Does it all really matter?
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26 January 2005, 03:07 PM
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Light hearted comment
Originally Posted by Andy Tang
Maybe I'm taking this a little personally as I have an SUV.
My Forester:
Is a bit longer than a classic Impreza
Is shorter than a Legacy
Is not as wide as a bugeye WRX
Sits lower about 4-6" lower than a Honda CRV
My Forester:
Is a bit longer than a classic Impreza
Is shorter than a Legacy
Is not as wide as a bugeye WRX
Sits lower about 4-6" lower than a Honda CRV
You nasty SUV owner 
26 January 2005, 03:19 PM
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The 4x4 is heavier than a lot of even very large estate cars. This makes it a lot more stable when towing than with a car, and as such, safer.
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26 January 2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GTB Limited
So a high centre of gravity is safer for towing
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Good 4x4 vehicles all have very low centres of gravity, otherwise they wouldn't be much good off road would they?
26 January 2005, 03:26 PM
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suvs in big straight american roads same for their v8 monster box saloons only good for straight line power - cornering sh1te - (PGR2 - american muscle - had to be the worst level)
we have different roads so different cars but we are being feed these american sh1te
"what would Jesus drive? - if he was alive he'd drive an SUV..." lol
we have different roads so different cars but we are being feed these american sh1te
"what would Jesus drive? - if he was alive he'd drive an SUV..." lol
26 January 2005, 03:27 PM
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Iain, you've only stated why he chose a 4x4 over an estate car. I asked why he didn't choose and MPV which has all the benefits you mention that a 4x4 has (apart from the off road ability).
So far the ONLY reason he has is for the 4X4 ability (which is fair enough)
So far the ONLY reason he has is for the 4X4 ability (which is fair enough)
26 January 2005, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GTB Limited
So a high centre of gravity is safer for towing
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26 January 2005, 03:28 PM
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around me, ive been off-road much more than them - partly they force me off partly i get bored when they panic at the slightest patch of mud or water so will 'do the off-roading' for them
26 January 2005, 03:38 PM
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What was the last thing you towed and what vehicle did you use to do it?
5 berth caravan.
Canoe trailer for 12 canoes plus paddles etc.
3 tier dinghy trailer.
plus another trailer.
Car, as username.
26 January 2005, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Iain, you've only stated why he chose a 4x4 over an estate car. I asked why he didn't choose and MPV which has all the benefits you mention that a 4x4 has (apart from the off road ability).
So far the ONLY reason he has is for the 4X4 ability (which is fair enough)
So far the ONLY reason he has is for the 4X4 ability (which is fair enough)
I drove a newish Chrylser Voyager the other day and was shocked at just how bad it's braking and general handling was....
26 January 2005, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GTB Limited
Not sure what the last thing was, but during the last year:
5 berth caravan.
Canoe trailer for 12 canoes plus paddles etc.
3 tier dinghy trailer.
plus another trailer.
Car, as username.
5 berth caravan.
Canoe trailer for 12 canoes plus paddles etc.
3 tier dinghy trailer.
plus another trailer.
Car, as username.
Good answer! Well I've not got as much experience as that but we also used to tow a 5 berth caravan with the last couple of cars we had and they felt nowhere near as comfortable towing as the discovery that does it at the moment.....Oh and my dad works for derbyshire countryside service so it does get used off road before anybody chirps up!!Back off to muppets methinks
26 January 2005, 04:07 PM
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4x4 vehicles all have very low centres of gravity, otherwise they wouldn't be much good off road would they?
26 January 2005, 04:13 PM
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Good 4x4 vehicles all have very low centres of gravity, otherwise they wouldn't be much good off road would they?
If the tail starts to wag the dog, I know which one is more likely to end up on it's roof.
26 January 2005, 04:21 PM
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But the tail is much less likely to wag the dog because the dog is so much heavier than the tail. That's the whole point. No point of having a low centre of gravity if the trailer / caravan is going to pull you all over the place because the car is light...
I've been towing caravans (family holidays) for 10 years or more, using a variety of medium to big saloon and estate cars, and the 4x4 is easily the most stable of all of them.
And in any case, you'll only ever get the situation of ending up on your roof if you don't know how to control a snake, and / or are driving too fast for the conditions...
I've been towing caravans (family holidays) for 10 years or more, using a variety of medium to big saloon and estate cars, and the 4x4 is easily the most stable of all of them.
And in any case, you'll only ever get the situation of ending up on your roof if you don't know how to control a snake, and / or are driving too fast for the conditions...
26 January 2005, 04:21 PM
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most are rubbish off-road - exactly most arent off-roaders just pretending to be...potentious posing [marketing alert]"image-driven-to-suit-your-lifestyle"[/marketing alert] pap
26 January 2005, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleMan
most are rubbish off-road - exactly most arent off-roaders just pretending to be...potentious posing [marketing alert]"image-driven-to-suit-your-lifestyle"[/marketing alert] pap
26 January 2005, 05:02 PM
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But the tail is much less likely to wag the dog because the dog is so much heavier than the tail. That's the whole point. No point of having a low centre of gravity if the trailer / caravan is going to pull you all over the place because the car is light...
And in any case, you'll only ever get the situation of ending up on your roof if you don't know how to control a snake, and / or are driving too fast for the conditions...
Generally those with 4x4 off-roaders/SUV's, take on an air of invunerability when towing (flame suit on
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27 January 2005, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
I think they should be banned on safety grounds alone. They are TWICE as likely to kill.
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OK - We have two cars. One is one of those volvo off roader things with 386 airbags - the other is a 1979 Mini made of isopon. In 5 minutes we will have a head on collision. Which car do you want to drive???
27 January 2005, 09:47 AM
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Be wary of the motives of these tree-hugging, lentil-muching "environmentalist" lesbians. They hate ALL cars, and If the succeed in getting 4x4s banned from London, sports cars will be next on their list.
27 January 2005, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by antera309
They hate ALL cars, and If the succeed in getting 4x4s banned from London, sports cars will be next on their list.
People are just to busy jumping on the bandwagon to see the bigger picture!! :roll:
27 January 2005, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy Tang
22" chrome spinners winging their way over from the States..... or maybe I have some taste!! One or the other!!
(Don't forget Pimp Tints)
28 January 2005, 01:01 AM
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Jealousy aside (who wouldn't want one of them BMW panzerwagons?) these SUVs are just so darned BIG. I commute through London on a bike and any biker will tell you, get a couple of even medium sized ones together and you are stuck. Heck I've seen more bloody HUMVEEs in town recently than scoobs!
SUVs are invariably driven by dozy tarts wielding a mobile phone. The vehicles sheer size is intimidating, let alone the thoughtless way that percieved invincibility allows them to drive. Its bad enough to risk being run into in dense traffic, let alone run over.
I mean, a bloody HUMVEE! For popping into town? Jesus, what next?
Screwd.
SUVs are invariably driven by dozy tarts wielding a mobile phone. The vehicles sheer size is intimidating, let alone the thoughtless way that percieved invincibility allows them to drive. Its bad enough to risk being run into in dense traffic, let alone run over.
I mean, a bloody HUMVEE! For popping into town? Jesus, what next?
Screwd.
28 January 2005, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Tang
Maybe I'm taking this a little personally as I have an SUV.
My Forester:
Is a bit longer than a classic Impreza
Is shorter than a Legacy
Is not as wide as a bugeye WRX
Sits lower about 4-6" lower than a Honda CRV
From some of the comments, if I were to use this run a child to school it would be unreasonable, but fine if you guys use your Imprezas!
My Forester:
Is a bit longer than a classic Impreza
Is shorter than a Legacy
Is not as wide as a bugeye WRX
Sits lower about 4-6" lower than a Honda CRV
From some of the comments, if I were to use this run a child to school it would be unreasonable, but fine if you guys use your Imprezas!
My dad thinks so but that could just be because I want one....
28 January 2005, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by screwdriver
Jealousy aside (who wouldn't want one of them BMW panzerwagons?) these SUVs are just so darned BIG. I commute through London on a bike and any biker will tell you, get a couple of even medium sized ones together and you are stuck. Heck I've seen more bloody HUMVEEs in town recently than scoobs!
SUVs are invariably driven by dozy tarts wielding a mobile phone. The vehicles sheer size is intimidating, let alone the thoughtless way that percieved invincibility allows them to drive. Its bad enough to risk being run into in dense traffic, let alone run over.
I mean, a bloody HUMVEE! For popping into town? Jesus, what next?
Screwd.
SUVs are invariably driven by dozy tarts wielding a mobile phone. The vehicles sheer size is intimidating, let alone the thoughtless way that percieved invincibility allows them to drive. Its bad enough to risk being run into in dense traffic, let alone run over.
I mean, a bloody HUMVEE! For popping into town? Jesus, what next?
Screwd.
Maybe in the states with the celebrity elite with nice wide straight roads where you can fill the tank for a tenner, but over here !!! it defies belief...
28 January 2005, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy_1271
Why on earth would anyone(outside the armed forces) want let alone need a humvee?
Maybe in the states with the celebrity elite with nice wide straight roads where you can fill the tank for a tenner, but over here !!! it defies belief...
Maybe in the states with the celebrity elite with nice wide straight roads where you can fill the tank for a tenner, but over here !!! it defies belief...
Canyonero!
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Canyonero!
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Canyonero!
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Canyonero!
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Canyonero!-oh woah, Canyonero! (Yah!)
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28 January 2005, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
So what if it is at toddler head height. If said toddler is under the control of a responsible adult nothing is going to happen to it. If said toddler is running around uncontrolled, the chances are it's the spawn of a chav, and will thus grow up a chav, ergo: no loss to society. Darwinism at work!
Ridiculous red herring this - no UK 4X4 is an issue - those that can run gas guzzlers are such a minority - lets worry more about 40 tonne artic' drivers nodding off, yes?
I had a badass Range Rover 4.6 until recently - fab car for a family with a huge great dog/baby/luggage/mountain-bike/family/friends/life and I dont think I could ever afford to go over 70 in it due to wallet issues with under 18mpg issues
. Slow = complete safety yes???D (about to jump in his 4x4, 20mpg, 1600kg 450bhp 190,mph vehicle that would anhilliate any Fuji heavy industries vehicle or Hummer or X5 but is technically a soft safety cushion as it is made by a company who does NOT make SUV's - LOL MFAO - you knows it!
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