Adustable 22mm whiteline ARB and drop links fitted
03 February 2005, 11:36 AM
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I went for adjustable ARB's, drop links, ALK and geometry (I needed one camber bolt).
Even with the rear bar on the end hole (softest setting) the improvement from standard is very noticable. I have now set the rear bar to the middle hole, yet to drive it like that though.
To add: this is with standard WRX03 springs.
Even with the rear bar on the end hole (softest setting) the improvement from standard is very noticable. I have now set the rear bar to the middle hole, yet to drive it like that though.
To add: this is with standard WRX03 springs.
03 February 2005, 11:45 AM
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Whiteline geometry for classic (page 2)
http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/fac...s/ck_wrx94.pdf
Whiteline geometry for newage (page 2)
http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/fac...s/ck_wrx01.pdf
Whiteline Extreme geometry (the mental ones recommended by 911)
http://www.whiteline.com.au/Project/...RD/default.htm (bottom of the page)
Stefan
http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/fac...s/ck_wrx94.pdf
Whiteline geometry for newage (page 2)
http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/fac...s/ck_wrx01.pdf
Whiteline Extreme geometry (the mental ones recommended by 911)
http://www.whiteline.com.au/Project/...RD/default.htm (bottom of the page)
Stefan
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03 February 2005, 12:30 PM
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Might throw my 2c worth into this conversation 
. I have an 02 bugeye STi. Originally I fitted an adjustable 24mm rear sway bar with drop links to counteract understeer. On the middle setting it was perfect for the standard suspension, understeer was pretty much non existant and it was very neutral handling wise, except that the standard suspension is pretty soft. So recently I fitted a set of Tein coilovers and what a difference that made. Most of the body roll was gone and the diving and squirming under brakes was also about 80% gone.
After advice from a guy who sets up a lot of the www.streetcar-cup.ch cars here in Switzerland I cranked up the rear sway bar to hardest setting. I immediately noticed how much grippier the rear felt but the front was now left wanting. After reading 911's comments and asking a few people in the know, I fitted a 22mm front bar from whiteline with the drop links this morning.
Its not as dramatic an improvement as fitting the rear bar but it is noticable. First of all it appears all movement under heavy braking has gone, the car stays as straight as an arrow even on an uneven braking surface. The car stays very flat through corners and feel much sharper to steer. One negative effect I think is that it has reduced grip at the front by a very small fraction, nothing really noticable unless the car is pushed but it does seem to have a tiny amount of understeer back. Mind you this is on a wet road with temps about 3 degrees outside so grip is not the best even with winter tyres.
Driving my car now and knowing what I know now, if I was to advise anyone on an upgrade path, I would first say brakes, sway bars, suspension and then go for more power (I did it in reverse and regret it now). These cars come with enough grunt standard to keep up with most sports cars but the brakes and suspension are not up to scratch off the showroom floor, the ability of the car to handle and brake properly greatly improves its speed and the overall driving experience (IMHO)
. I have an 02 bugeye STi. Originally I fitted an adjustable 24mm rear sway bar with drop links to counteract understeer. On the middle setting it was perfect for the standard suspension, understeer was pretty much non existant and it was very neutral handling wise, except that the standard suspension is pretty soft. So recently I fitted a set of Tein coilovers and what a difference that made. Most of the body roll was gone and the diving and squirming under brakes was also about 80% gone.After advice from a guy who sets up a lot of the www.streetcar-cup.ch cars here in Switzerland I cranked up the rear sway bar to hardest setting. I immediately noticed how much grippier the rear felt but the front was now left wanting. After reading 911's comments and asking a few people in the know, I fitted a 22mm front bar from whiteline with the drop links this morning.
Its not as dramatic an improvement as fitting the rear bar but it is noticable. First of all it appears all movement under heavy braking has gone, the car stays as straight as an arrow even on an uneven braking surface. The car stays very flat through corners and feel much sharper to steer. One negative effect I think is that it has reduced grip at the front by a very small fraction, nothing really noticable unless the car is pushed but it does seem to have a tiny amount of understeer back. Mind you this is on a wet road with temps about 3 degrees outside so grip is not the best even with winter tyres.
Driving my car now and knowing what I know now, if I was to advise anyone on an upgrade path, I would first say brakes, sway bars, suspension and then go for more power (I did it in reverse and regret it now). These cars come with enough grunt standard to keep up with most sports cars but the brakes and suspension are not up to scratch off the showroom floor, the ability of the car to handle and brake properly greatly improves its speed and the overall driving experience (IMHO)
03 February 2005, 12:54 PM
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After running on standard suspension for 2 years they were a bit of a shock when I fitted them. They are noticably harder on rough autobahns but around town and general country driving they are pretty easy to live with. I have mine set 8 from hardest on the front and 12 from hardest on the back. This seems to give good ride performace and holds the front level around corners.
The girlfriend said she was happy she didnt have to put on a sports bra every time she got in it so it cant be that bad
The girlfriend said she was happy she didnt have to put on a sports bra every time she got in it so it cant be that bad
03 February 2005, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by swaussie
Might throw my 2c worth into this conversation . I have an 02 bugeye STi. Originally I fitted an adjustable 24mm rear sway bar with drop links to counteract understeer. On the middle setting it was perfect for the standard suspension, understeer was pretty much non existant and it was very neutral handling wise, except that the standard suspension is pretty soft. So recently I fitted a set of Tein coilovers and what a difference that made. Most of the body roll was gone and the diving and squirming under brakes was also about 80% gone.
After advice from a guy who sets up a lot of the www.streetcar-cup.ch cars here in Switzerland I cranked up the rear sway bar to hardest setting. I immediately noticed how much grippier the rear felt but the front was now left wanting. After reading 911's comments and asking a few people in the know, I fitted a 22mm front bar from whiteline with the drop links this morning.
Its not as dramatic an improvement as fitting the rear bar but it is noticable. First of all it appears all movement under heavy braking has gone, the car stays as straight as an arrow even on an uneven braking surface. The car stays very flat through corners and feel much sharper to steer. One negative effect I think is that it has reduced grip at the front by a very small fraction, nothing really noticable unless the car is pushed but it does seem to have a tiny amount of understeer back. Mind you this is on a wet road with temps about 3 degrees outside so grip is not the best even with winter tyres.
Driving my car now and knowing what I know now, if I was to advise anyone on an upgrade path, I would first say brakes, sway bars, suspension and then go for more power (I did it in reverse and regret it now). These cars come with enough grunt standard to keep up with most sports cars but the brakes and suspension are not up to scratch off the showroom floor, the ability of the car to handle and brake properly greatly improves its speed and the overall driving experience (IMHO)
. I have an 02 bugeye STi. Originally I fitted an adjustable 24mm rear sway bar with drop links to counteract understeer. On the middle setting it was perfect for the standard suspension, understeer was pretty much non existant and it was very neutral handling wise, except that the standard suspension is pretty soft. So recently I fitted a set of Tein coilovers and what a difference that made. Most of the body roll was gone and the diving and squirming under brakes was also about 80% gone.After advice from a guy who sets up a lot of the www.streetcar-cup.ch cars here in Switzerland I cranked up the rear sway bar to hardest setting. I immediately noticed how much grippier the rear felt but the front was now left wanting. After reading 911's comments and asking a few people in the know, I fitted a 22mm front bar from whiteline with the drop links this morning.
Its not as dramatic an improvement as fitting the rear bar but it is noticable. First of all it appears all movement under heavy braking has gone, the car stays as straight as an arrow even on an uneven braking surface. The car stays very flat through corners and feel much sharper to steer. One negative effect I think is that it has reduced grip at the front by a very small fraction, nothing really noticable unless the car is pushed but it does seem to have a tiny amount of understeer back. Mind you this is on a wet road with temps about 3 degrees outside so grip is not the best even with winter tyres.
Driving my car now and knowing what I know now, if I was to advise anyone on an upgrade path, I would first say brakes, sway bars, suspension and then go for more power (I did it in reverse and regret it now). These cars come with enough grunt standard to keep up with most sports cars but the brakes and suspension are not up to scratch off the showroom floor, the ability of the car to handle and brake properly greatly improves its speed and the overall driving experience (IMHO)
What do you think, should I change to the 24mm one instead. I was concerned it would be too stiff but from what your saying it sounds spot on
Marc
03 February 2005, 01:11 PM
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Boyakasha, if you have an STi I would say yes. Especially if you have coilovers or are thinking of them as a future upgrade. With standard suspension the 24mm was perfect on middle setting but then again I am no expert and never drove one with a 22mm bar. I went with 24mm on advice and it seemed it was good advice especially with the extra weight being thrown around by the new age cars. The handling of my car now feels absolutely spot on (almost as good as a well set up classic)
03 February 2005, 01:20 PM
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Cheers for that.
I do have an STi, it's an 03. I had previously spoken to Powerstation who said that they had used the 22mm on the Type 25 so that is why I ordered that one.
I do have an STi, it's an 03. I had previously spoken to Powerstation who said that they had used the 22mm on the Type 25 so that is why I ordered that one.
03 February 2005, 01:24 PM
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well if the type 25 has 22mm, then i'm sure you should get the results you are looking for seeing that the T25 has been described as the best impreza yet!
03 February 2005, 01:31 PM
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I guess they would have a lot of experience with this type of thing so I am not sure.
From experience I can say that the whiteline has 3 settings. On the softest I found my car still wanted to understeer. On hardest setting I took on a corner a bit fast and found I had to dial in a lot of opposite lock to get it back (very scary moment watching the light pole coming towards me pretty quickly ) - on middle, I felt totally comfortable with what the car was doing. It would go into 4 wheel drift rather than over or under steer and that for me was what I was looking for when driving. Totally predictable.
From experience I can say that the whiteline has 3 settings. On the softest I found my car still wanted to understeer. On hardest setting I took on a corner a bit fast and found I had to dial in a lot of opposite lock to get it back (very scary moment watching the light pole coming towards me pretty quickly
) - on middle, I felt totally comfortable with what the car was doing. It would go into 4 wheel drift rather than over or under steer and that for me was what I was looking for when driving. Totally predictable.
03 February 2005, 02:04 PM
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It does also say in the article on the T25 that they had to play with the dampers to dial out some understeer, which would suggest the sway bar is not strong enough ? Nothing against the car (wish I could have one myself) its just an observation.
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