Police's opinion!! God help me with this one!
04 February 2005, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
I watch these programs on tv and wonder y people argue cos it only make things worse.
Thats quite correct, you do NOT speak from a position of weakness - you will lose!
However, speak from a position of strength (by knowing what you can do and can't do) is COMPLETELY different!!
When I say I can outhink a Traffic Coppa I meant just that ...
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04 February 2005, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Daves99
That’s an interesting point you make about jumping in when you see a fight. You may want to let my mate know your feelings who has just done 3 years for doing exactly that. Out on the town minding our own when we get to the cab office, there is some pissed up Muppet giving a woman the beating of her life. He does the honourable and steps in to stop it, and yes there were loads of people around, this Muppets mate takes umbrage to this and smashes a bottle over his head, which resulted in 16 stitches, my mate who does kickboxing and can handle himself bangs two good punches into this **** face and also lays out the dick that’s beating the woman.
Police arrive and sort it out he goes to hospital gets his stitches thinks nothing more of it. Two weeks later he is arrested and charged with two counts of GBH and wounding with intent. He then ends up in court and gets convicted. The first guy he hit he broke his nose and fractured his cheekbone and he was concussed. The other fella got his jaw fractured for his troubles. The judge did not care nor did the police about the fact that he was going to the aid of another, or that he needed 16 stitches from a bottling, all they could focus on was that as a martial arts expert that made his hands an offensive weapon and as such no different than if he had hit them with a hammer.
Jump in and come to your aid F*ck you pal that’s what your paid for. And where do I place the old bill in my estimation after that lower than a snakes bollox.
Police arrive and sort it out he goes to hospital gets his stitches thinks nothing more of it. Two weeks later he is arrested and charged with two counts of GBH and wounding with intent. He then ends up in court and gets convicted. The first guy he hit he broke his nose and fractured his cheekbone and he was concussed. The other fella got his jaw fractured for his troubles. The judge did not care nor did the police about the fact that he was going to the aid of another, or that he needed 16 stitches from a bottling, all they could focus on was that as a martial arts expert that made his hands an offensive weapon and as such no different than if he had hit them with a hammer.
Jump in and come to your aid F*ck you pal that’s what your paid for. And where do I place the old bill in my estimation after that lower than a snakes bollox.
Dave
Summed up perfectly. That's an all too common story.
People - Please don't fall for the poor-us, no-one likes us copper bu**sh*t
The old argument used by coopers is:
' Who will you call when you are burgled, or have your car nicked'
Well Mr Officer I will call you because that's what I pay my taxes for and when I did call you, you did **** all.
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04 February 2005, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris5-0
A word of caution to all Forrester owners!!! Think about it, Turbo, scoob engine, fast AND a larger carry space!? Guess what we're seeing getting taken now?
Same applies, get it Trackered up, get anti-hijac and a decent alarm, think smart when out and about, lock doors when in it etc. etc. etc.
If this is too much for you, sell it!
Same applies, get it Trackered up, get anti-hijac and a decent alarm, think smart when out and about, lock doors when in it etc. etc. etc.
If this is too much for you, sell it!
Criminals rule, aided by their taxpayer funded lawyers who will go all the way to the European Court Of Human Rights to ensure "Justice" for their clients.
The victims. Who cares about them? They're the ones who pay the taxes to fund this totally useless system.
04 February 2005, 08:22 PM
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Here's my opinion.
Personnel:-
Age got dropped to 18, BAD idea. We're sending 19 and 20 yr olds to violent domestics with parties aged 30-40 regularly. Matter of time before one gets badly hurt. Due to health safety issues, fear of being sued etc new officers are given a plastic baton and very little training (not PTI's fault) on how to use it.
Paperwork:-
Reducing bureacracy doesnt work, it creates two sheets of paper instead of one, one to do the job the other justifying the first!
Now a back covering exercise in paperwork to avoid complaints from disgruntled public etc.
Computerised systems great but always with paper back up, double the work.
Takes 5-6 hours to process simple shoplifter etc taking officer off streets.
Workload:-
I often wonder where people think crimes go when reported? They stay with reporting officer until no further action is plausible. That forgotten crime doesn't exist, someone somewhere has justified filing it (not easy with national crime recording standards, it took 3 weeks to file a crime of mine because NCRS demmanded i wrote a lengthy report as to how i told the a/p about the court outcome even though she was there!!).
When I joined the average cop was carrying about 7-10 crimes tops, now the average probationer police officer (with less than 2 years in job) carries about 20. This doesnt mean they get time to deal with them as the incident queue keeps going daily with timeframes to meet so they end up picking up more and more daily. Not happy with an outcome? Ring the officer who dealt with it (i presume you take details?) and ask! Simple as that, its no secret.
Oh and the thing with coffee and doughnuts? Doesn't happen, officers parade on at 7am for an early shift and are being sent to jobs at 5 past. This goes on relentlessly until hand over at 4.30pm leaving usually 30mins for paperwork (remember those unfiled crimes?) Not believe me? Lets start a poll on hours actually worked in a week/month (not 9-5 with hour lunch and breaks etc.) and see who does the most!
Not going to go on, ready for shouts of 'you get paid enough' (probationer in first year will CLEAR perhaps 900 pound a month), 'its your job' (I know!), you're only interested inb speeding tickets, (number i've issued = 0.)
So bring it on haters, i don't really care what you think about me, call me or how you look at me, i'll still be there when you, your wife, kids, mum and dad need me cus i love what i do and take great pride in wearing the uniform i do.
For every 100 people that detest, revile and think we're evil scum, one or two take time to say 'hello' , 'good morning' and 'thank you' and personally thats all i need to keep going!!
(Hand across heart in a sickly American type way!!!!!)
Personnel:-
Age got dropped to 18, BAD idea. We're sending 19 and 20 yr olds to violent domestics with parties aged 30-40 regularly. Matter of time before one gets badly hurt. Due to health safety issues, fear of being sued etc new officers are given a plastic baton and very little training (not PTI's fault) on how to use it.
Paperwork:-
Reducing bureacracy doesnt work, it creates two sheets of paper instead of one, one to do the job the other justifying the first!
Now a back covering exercise in paperwork to avoid complaints from disgruntled public etc.
Computerised systems great but always with paper back up, double the work.
Takes 5-6 hours to process simple shoplifter etc taking officer off streets.
Workload:-
I often wonder where people think crimes go when reported? They stay with reporting officer until no further action is plausible. That forgotten crime doesn't exist, someone somewhere has justified filing it (not easy with national crime recording standards, it took 3 weeks to file a crime of mine because NCRS demmanded i wrote a lengthy report as to how i told the a/p about the court outcome even though she was there!!).
When I joined the average cop was carrying about 7-10 crimes tops, now the average probationer police officer (with less than 2 years in job) carries about 20. This doesnt mean they get time to deal with them as the incident queue keeps going daily with timeframes to meet so they end up picking up more and more daily. Not happy with an outcome? Ring the officer who dealt with it (i presume you take details?) and ask! Simple as that, its no secret.
Oh and the thing with coffee and doughnuts? Doesn't happen, officers parade on at 7am for an early shift and are being sent to jobs at 5 past. This goes on relentlessly until hand over at 4.30pm leaving usually 30mins for paperwork (remember those unfiled crimes?) Not believe me? Lets start a poll on hours actually worked in a week/month (not 9-5 with hour lunch and breaks etc.) and see who does the most!
Not going to go on, ready for shouts of 'you get paid enough' (probationer in first year will CLEAR perhaps 900 pound a month), 'its your job' (I know!), you're only interested inb speeding tickets, (number i've issued = 0.)
So bring it on haters, i don't really care what you think about me, call me or how you look at me, i'll still be there when you, your wife, kids, mum and dad need me cus i love what i do and take great pride in wearing the uniform i do.
For every 100 people that detest, revile and think we're evil scum, one or two take time to say 'hello' , 'good morning' and 'thank you' and personally thats all i need to keep going!!
(Hand across heart in a sickly American type way!!!!!)
04 February 2005, 08:27 PM
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Vegescoob????
What?
You having a laugh?
Sound crime prevention advice is offered and you twist it to us not caring? If i didn't care i wouldn't post it would I?
Just being honest, don't know bout where you live but it's rough in Manchester sometimes and we aint always there!
What?
You having a laugh?
Sound crime prevention advice is offered and you twist it to us not caring? If i didn't care i wouldn't post it would I?
Just being honest, don't know bout where you live but it's rough in Manchester sometimes and we aint always there!
04 February 2005, 09:19 PM
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Those that slag off the job the Police do probably cant do it or dont have the *****.
Those that say "go and catch a burglar or a real criminal" are normally saying that to a Traffic Officer. Traffic Officers are a bit of a give away in their job title of "TRAFFIC OFFICER"
You could say the same to an officer on a Burglary Team or Auto Crime Team....do you think that the Poilce dont have officers trying to combat crime from every angle?!
WAKE UP!
Police Officers day in day out put their lives at risk with little protection other than their ability to use their mouths in most situations and a stick and spray which most of the time does not work!
For those who are in the Police ignore these idiots who berate you. If your proud, and your families proud and you do your best to make life a better and safer place then thats all that counts. At the end of the day few parents would be proud in the pit of their stomachs of their sons/daughters who are sat behind a desk all day on Scoobynet massaging their online ego's
Up the old Bill
Those that say "go and catch a burglar or a real criminal" are normally saying that to a Traffic Officer. Traffic Officers are a bit of a give away in their job title of "TRAFFIC OFFICER"
You could say the same to an officer on a Burglary Team or Auto Crime Team....do you think that the Poilce dont have officers trying to combat crime from every angle?!
WAKE UP!
Police Officers day in day out put their lives at risk with little protection other than their ability to use their mouths in most situations and a stick and spray which most of the time does not work!
For those who are in the Police ignore these idiots who berate you. If your proud, and your families proud and you do your best to make life a better and safer place then thats all that counts. At the end of the day few parents would be proud in the pit of their stomachs of their sons/daughters who are sat behind a desk all day on Scoobynet massaging their online ego's
Up the old Bill
04 February 2005, 09:26 PM
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I guess it's fair to say that they just won't understand until they either A)join the job or B)come out on a couple of late shifts.....
Only they A) Don't have the *****/are just way to comfy pushing paper around a desk/are just too lazy!!
or B) Would never be prepared to let us prove them wrong, because prove them wrong is what we would do!!
But all the time they want to have a pop, i shall enjoy it
Only they A) Don't have the *****/are just way to comfy pushing paper around a desk/are just too lazy!!
or B) Would never be prepared to let us prove them wrong, because prove them wrong is what we would do!!
But all the time they want to have a pop, i shall enjoy it
04 February 2005, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by King Eric
Those that slag off the job the Police do probably cant do it or dont have the *****.
Those that say "go and catch a burglar or a real criminal" are normally saying that to a Traffic Officer. Traffic Officers are a bit of a give away in their job title of "TRAFFIC OFFICER"
You could say the same to an officer on a Burglary Team or Auto Crime Team....do you think that the Poilce dont have officers trying to combat crime from every angle?!
WAKE UP!
Police Officers day in day out put their lives at risk with little protection other than their ability to use their mouths in most situations and a stick and spray which most of the time does not work!
For those who are in the Police ignore these idiots who berate you. If your proud, and your families proud and you do your best to make life a better and safer place then thats all that counts. At the end of the day few parents would be proud in the pit of their stomachs of their sons/daughters who are sat behind a desk all day on Scoobynet massaging their online ego's
Up the old Bill
Those that say "go and catch a burglar or a real criminal" are normally saying that to a Traffic Officer. Traffic Officers are a bit of a give away in their job title of "TRAFFIC OFFICER"
You could say the same to an officer on a Burglary Team or Auto Crime Team....do you think that the Poilce dont have officers trying to combat crime from every angle?!
WAKE UP!
Police Officers day in day out put their lives at risk with little protection other than their ability to use their mouths in most situations and a stick and spray which most of the time does not work!
For those who are in the Police ignore these idiots who berate you. If your proud, and your families proud and you do your best to make life a better and safer place then thats all that counts. At the end of the day few parents would be proud in the pit of their stomachs of their sons/daughters who are sat behind a desk all day on Scoobynet massaging their online ego's
Up the old Bill
04 February 2005, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by WRXPete
I guess it's fair to say that they just won't understand until they either A)join the job or B)come out on a couple of late shifts....
Seriously, I ask because my daughter wants to join the Police - I would like her to get an insight.
Was told that H&S meant that couldn't be done?? Has it changed now?
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04 February 2005, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hostagewrx
hehe, love to read the posts, when i have been away for sometime, so much goes on, its great to see peoples opinions, and yes i am young (ie 20-30 (not wishing to offend anyone)) but i am old enough to deal with armed robberies, old enough to deal with child abuse and rape sof 3 month year old baby girls, old enough to deal with accidents with head missings and pick up the heads and recover them, old enough to sort out domestic violence isssues with couples much older than me, old enough to talk someone down from a motorway bridge who wants to end it all and old enough to arrest a murderer whilst eh body of a women with 8 wounds to head by claw part of a claw hammer whilst the woman is lay there in a heap of blood. So sorry if i enjoy the driving to the jobs, but i know that when i get there its time to be serious and to deal with things that the public have no idea and no concept about.
Its amazing, how many people just stand and watch when a fight breaks out on the town centre, but some young lad (who is only really wearing a uniform) without fear and at risk to himself goes and gets stuck in, yeah u stand there and let me do that.
I am young, but i have, as every copper on here would have done, have done things and dealt with things that you can't dream off.
Anyway, rant over, i'm glad to see that there are other coppers on here and were not scared of enojoying our job and being who we are. Just remember were not that bad, we drive Scoobies ourselves, remember that when u look over and nodd. hehe cheers
Its amazing, how many people just stand and watch when a fight breaks out on the town centre, but some young lad (who is only really wearing a uniform) without fear and at risk to himself goes and gets stuck in, yeah u stand there and let me do that.
I am young, but i have, as every copper on here would have done, have done things and dealt with things that you can't dream off.
Anyway, rant over, i'm glad to see that there are other coppers on here and were not scared of enojoying our job and being who we are. Just remember were not that bad, we drive Scoobies ourselves, remember that when u look over and nodd. hehe cheers
05 February 2005, 05:10 AM
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Police Officer - Basic training > Probation > full copper in under two years on one hell of a load more cash than a fully qualified nurse earns after several years of post training experience, also considering the training is four years for a nurse. At the same time ther police have handcuffs/batons & now CS spray to protect themselves from attacks, nurses do not.
Not the polices direct fault just our stupid government and the way its structured. Being honest who can blame the police for taking easy targets like motorists coz when they catch a real crim the CPS lets them away with murder <pun not intended>
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Not the polices direct fault just our stupid government and the way its structured. Being honest who can blame the police for taking easy targets like motorists coz when they catch a real crim the CPS lets them away with murder <pun not intended>
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05 February 2005, 12:33 PM
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CPS & the way the law works (or doesn't in cases as you said) are clearly partially responsible. I'd guess the average copper doesn't determine what he's going to target today; where resource should be targetted is high level/government decision. If you're on traffic, you aren't meant to be chasing murderers!
Statistically, police work is not the most dangerous job (I believe that "honour" falls to deep sea fishermen), but I wouldn't imagine its one of the safest, and you will encounter unpleasant situations and people on a more regular basis than in many jobs. It's not something I particularly want to do, but I am glad that some people do it. That same sentiment applies to many jobs, people have said they wouldn't want my job either, but it needs doing.
In response to a few of the previous comments, I agree that I'm sure that people who have never worked with the police will fully understand what the job is like. However, people who have only worked in the police will not understand what a lot of other jobs are like; it's therefore a bit hypocritical if in the next sentence you categorise everyone non-police as spineless pen-pushers who'll never understand what you do.
At the end of the day, police are people like everyone else, with all the plus points and weaknesses of people everywhere else. They have a hard job to do, but an awful lot of other people also have a hard job in other ways. Stereotyping them as a group is as irrational as stereotyping anyone who is part of any group.
Statistically, police work is not the most dangerous job (I believe that "honour" falls to deep sea fishermen), but I wouldn't imagine its one of the safest, and you will encounter unpleasant situations and people on a more regular basis than in many jobs. It's not something I particularly want to do, but I am glad that some people do it. That same sentiment applies to many jobs, people have said they wouldn't want my job either, but it needs doing.
In response to a few of the previous comments, I agree that I'm sure that people who have never worked with the police will fully understand what the job is like. However, people who have only worked in the police will not understand what a lot of other jobs are like; it's therefore a bit hypocritical if in the next sentence you categorise everyone non-police as spineless pen-pushers who'll never understand what you do.
At the end of the day, police are people like everyone else, with all the plus points and weaknesses of people everywhere else. They have a hard job to do, but an awful lot of other people also have a hard job in other ways. Stereotyping them as a group is as irrational as stereotyping anyone who is part of any group.
05 February 2005, 06:46 PM
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I am a traffic patrol officer and believe it or not we actually arrest more persons for crime than we do for traffic offences. Our correct title now is Roads policing.
I have arrested major drug dealers, their mules and Burglars, car thieves, and all type of criminals. I guess we are the eyes of the force in big cars always on the prowl and looking, seeing and reacting.
ANPR operations actually net 100's of criminals rather than 100's of dodgy motorists. believe me your Avarage traffic man is not an avarage copper...He / She is above avarage and we in TVP traffic arrested more criminals last year than one of our neighbouring forces did in total. So we are GOOD. We also deal with traffic matters as well. We only have the gift of communication, a baton and a small cannister of CS spray(Only ever used it once...not impressed)
I have arrested major drug dealers, their mules and Burglars, car thieves, and all type of criminals. I guess we are the eyes of the force in big cars always on the prowl and looking, seeing and reacting.
ANPR operations actually net 100's of criminals rather than 100's of dodgy motorists. believe me your Avarage traffic man is not an avarage copper...He / She is above avarage and we in TVP traffic arrested more criminals last year than one of our neighbouring forces did in total. So we are GOOD. We also deal with traffic matters as well. We only have the gift of communication, a baton and a small cannister of CS spray(Only ever used it once...not impressed)
05 February 2005, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris5-0
Vegescoob????
What?
You having a laugh?
Sound crime prevention advice is offered and you twist it to us not caring? If i didn't care i wouldn't post it would I?
Just being honest, don't know bout where you live but it's rough in Manchester sometimes and we aint always there!
What?
You having a laugh?
Sound crime prevention advice is offered and you twist it to us not caring? If i didn't care i wouldn't post it would I?
Just being honest, don't know bout where you live but it's rough in Manchester sometimes and we aint always there!
Then, my first car was a soft top and in the town where I lived I could park it on a Saturday night top up or down and it would be where I left it when I returned, complete with radio.
Now, we put more and more security in place and still the scum don't give up resorting to firearms to get what they want.
Because the politicians have failed and continue to fail to deal with crime in any effective way.
05 February 2005, 10:04 PM
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Vegescoob,
We firefight mate, plain an simple. We react instead of being proactive and its wrong. Just wish people would understand it aint the average coppers fault, we get told what to do and go do it, usually wishing we were either a. doing it a way we know would work or b. be somewhere else doing something a hell of a lot more productive.
Sorry you feel the way you do, Dixon of Dock Green got shot you know! The worlds a nasty place and would be a lot nastier if we didn't do what we did both in and out of the publics gaze!
We firefight mate, plain an simple. We react instead of being proactive and its wrong. Just wish people would understand it aint the average coppers fault, we get told what to do and go do it, usually wishing we were either a. doing it a way we know would work or b. be somewhere else doing something a hell of a lot more productive.
Sorry you feel the way you do, Dixon of Dock Green got shot you know! The worlds a nasty place and would be a lot nastier if we didn't do what we did both in and out of the publics gaze!
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