Swissol vs Autoglym
30 January 2005, 11:21 PM
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I dont think that you will find that the wax wizard sells SWISSOL anymore
Swissol isnt hard work at all the cleaner fluid stage takes a little while but is only done every 6 months !!!!
PLEASE DO NOT USE AN ORBITAL POLISHER ! With Swissol you wont need to anyway is a dust on dust off procedure !
Swissol isnt hard work at all the cleaner fluid stage takes a little while but is only done every 6 months !!!!
PLEASE DO NOT USE AN ORBITAL POLISHER ! With Swissol you wont need to anyway is a dust on dust off procedure !
31 January 2005, 12:12 AM
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I think there is alot of confusion here with people and waxes...they apply it to a matted/contaminated paint surface without using any polish or cutting compound / restorer ....the wax in effect puts the shine on top. The car will look the dogs, but it won't shine like it should, it won't last, and it seals in all the imperfections and surface contaminents...so when somebody does finally gets to cleaning the car properly it's a nightmare!
Secondly people don't note the difference between Wax and Polish
Autoglym Super resin polish (red logo) is polish NOT WAX! It's what you use to remove light contamination/fall out, and very light buffing scratches (from washing etc). This does offer some surface protection, but it's not wax and will last 2 weeks max when left in the elements outdoors 24/7.
Autoglym Extra Gloss protection (gold label) is what you should be comparing to wax. It also has no dust!
And finally, wax be it swissol, meguires or autoglym protection it's all useless and a waste of money if you don't spend the extra time and elbow grease in preparing bodywork correctly.
Before you apply any wax or protection the paintwork should be like glass to touch and look at. If it feels rough...you need to polish it again (or clay bar). Also layers of old built up wax need to be removed.
For heavy matted surfaces with wax build up. I first use a commercial tar remover (removes both tar, old wax and fall out) then 3M fine cutting compound (like T-cut...but less aggressive and far far easier to work with), afterwhich bad areas may need repeating, then the polish. If the shine and feel isn't quite right, then it's needs another polish. Only after you've done all that can you apply any wax.
To which after all that, once applied, most brands get the exact same results in terms of shine. Although some last longer than others. Usually the carnuba based waxes last the longer.
I've been meaning to put this on a waxing/cleaning thread for ages!
Secondly people don't note the difference between Wax and Polish
Autoglym Super resin polish (red logo) is polish NOT WAX! It's what you use to remove light contamination/fall out, and very light buffing scratches (from washing etc). This does offer some surface protection, but it's not wax and will last 2 weeks max when left in the elements outdoors 24/7.
Autoglym Extra Gloss protection (gold label) is what you should be comparing to wax. It also has no dust!
And finally, wax be it swissol, meguires or autoglym protection it's all useless and a waste of money if you don't spend the extra time and elbow grease in preparing bodywork correctly.
Before you apply any wax or protection the paintwork should be like glass to touch and look at. If it feels rough...you need to polish it again (or clay bar). Also layers of old built up wax need to be removed.
For heavy matted surfaces with wax build up. I first use a commercial tar remover (removes both tar, old wax and fall out) then 3M fine cutting compound (like T-cut...but less aggressive and far far easier to work with), afterwhich bad areas may need repeating, then the polish. If the shine and feel isn't quite right, then it's needs another polish. Only after you've done all that can you apply any wax.
To which after all that, once applied, most brands get the exact same results in terms of shine. Although some last longer than others. Usually the carnuba based waxes last the longer.
I've been meaning to put this on a waxing/cleaning thread for ages!
Last edited by ALi-B; 31 January 2005 at 12:22 AM. Reason: dotting the t's and crossing the i's
31 January 2005, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Vipa
Am I going to see/notice a huge difference for spending £115 on the Swissol kit with Samurai wax or am I better saving my money and sticking with the Autoglym? Paul
http://www.sopertek.co.uk/mr2/cleaning/clean1.jpg
http://www.sopertek.co.uk/mr2/cleaning/clean4.jpg
This is my other Japanese family car (!) and the results shown are the fruits of some good elbow grease and sticking with a good few tried and tested products... all of which can be sought easily from the high street. Heck, even my new Scooby scrubs up alright and I didn't even polish it.
http://www.sopertek.co.uk/scooby/pics/001-05.jpg
I won't claim to be a car valet guru and I haven't tested every single product ever made, but I can achieve superb results without re-mortgaging the house.
http://www.sopertek.co.uk/mr2/cleaning
Ta ta.
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31 January 2005, 07:40 AM
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whats all this shiney dark coloured car nonsense
my gran could make a black car look shiney
shiney light coloured ones are where its at
lightwieghts!!
my gran could make a black car look shiney
shiney light coloured ones are where its at
lightwieghts!!
31 January 2005, 07:44 AM
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Couple of point to qualify from the last few posts
Please remember that the cost does not only have an impact on quality of shine but also on value for money & ease of use too !
I gaurantee that the Swissol pack will last a lot longer than other products
I would say that following the instructions the kit will last approx 2 years with the exception of the car bath (but then that depends on how often youwash the car) So with a £110 kit the cost is £1.06 per week approx !
How many people are prapered to pay £5-£6 to have their car cleaned with a gritting sponge in a car park with no wax applied afterwards !
Also the ease of use is important too ! No sweating with Swissol ! YES the cleaner fluid stage takes a while but then you only do it twice a year ! The rest of the process takes minutes & The washing is quicker than it would be if you hadnt swissoled it !
I do agree preparation is the most important thing ! Clay bar & the Cleaner fluid are crucial ! The car should gleam after those stages before the wax is applied !
The quality of wax does have a huge impact on the logevity of shine & the quality of shine !
With light colours such as Silver, light refraction means that you cant see much different in shine between a wax which is high inCarnauba content & one of lower content but this isnt the case the darker the car is !
Also the quality waxes will last much longer !
Ask Rolls Royce what they think of the Swissol Cleaner Fluid ! They loved it ! And it got them out of a whole with BMW ! So much so that they now give Swissol products away with every new Phantom sold !
Please remember that the cost does not only have an impact on quality of shine but also on value for money & ease of use too !
I gaurantee that the Swissol pack will last a lot longer than other products
I would say that following the instructions the kit will last approx 2 years with the exception of the car bath (but then that depends on how often youwash the car) So with a £110 kit the cost is £1.06 per week approx !
How many people are prapered to pay £5-£6 to have their car cleaned with a gritting sponge in a car park with no wax applied afterwards !
Also the ease of use is important too ! No sweating with Swissol ! YES the cleaner fluid stage takes a while but then you only do it twice a year ! The rest of the process takes minutes & The washing is quicker than it would be if you hadnt swissoled it !
I do agree preparation is the most important thing ! Clay bar & the Cleaner fluid are crucial ! The car should gleam after those stages before the wax is applied !
The quality of wax does have a huge impact on the logevity of shine & the quality of shine !
With light colours such as Silver, light refraction means that you cant see much different in shine between a wax which is high inCarnauba content & one of lower content but this isnt the case the darker the car is !
Also the quality waxes will last much longer !
Ask Rolls Royce what they think of the Swissol Cleaner Fluid ! They loved it ! And it got them out of a whole with BMW ! So much so that they now give Swissol products away with every new Phantom sold !
31 January 2005, 11:46 AM
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I agree about the Swissol thing,...
Ordered a Master collection last year and the only bottle that needed a "refill" was the Car Bath shampoo...
BTW, there is no compairason between Swissol and supermarket brands.
Alone for the smell and looks of Swissol you're buying the stuff !
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Creepy
Ordered a Master collection last year and the only bottle that needed a "refill" was the Car Bath shampoo...
BTW, there is no compairason between Swissol and supermarket brands.
Alone for the smell and looks of Swissol you're buying the stuff !
http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=y21wji&outx=600&oq=0
http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=y21wjj&outx=600&oq=0
http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=y21wjb&outx=600&oq=0
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31 January 2005, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
whats all this shiney dark coloured car nonsense
my gran could make a black car look shiney
shiney light coloured ones are where its at
lightwieghts!!
my gran could make a black car look shiney
shiney light coloured ones are where its at
lightwieghts!!
Meguiar's NXT Tech Wax then #16 Professional Paste Wax.
Autoglym Super Resin Polish also works very well.
Ali-B, I agree with with everything you said except about Super Resin Polish durability, I get an easy 2-3 months with a car parked outside 24/7. And weather can't be that different in Dudley from where I live
31 January 2005, 01:30 PM
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Ali-B, I agree with with everything you said except about Super Resin Polish durability, I get an easy 2-3 months with a car parked outside 24/7. And weather can't be that different in Dudley from where I live
This time of year..2 weeks max before any surface roughness (run you finger across it after washing) is noticeable. Summer will usually give over month of durabilty.
31 January 2005, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Elmer Fudpucker
Holts Color Magic for me
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/09...5/abf18076.jpg
Autoglym leaves white chalk everywhere
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/09...5/abf18076.jpg
Autoglym leaves white chalk everywhere
I'm happy with AutoGlym for the mo, will give the clay bar a go though, as I've got some bloomin' stuborn spots to get off around the wheel arches. Ironically, you only notice them when you've given the car a good clean and polish!! BTW Your car looks stunning mate!!
31 January 2005, 06:23 PM
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I used autoglym for years and thought it was ok.
i have now used swissol zymol and a few of the meguairs odd bits.
Swill concourso was amazing ( swiped some of a mates) and to be honest i didnt notice much diffefence when i used my own onyx both very good.
Zymol smells nice but was not as good as the swissol.
Ive been trying the new meguairs nxt stuff and so far i have been very impressed. i havent washed the car again since but I was mega impressed by the initial gloss, just have to wait to see if it lasts.
i have now used swissol zymol and a few of the meguairs odd bits.
Swill concourso was amazing ( swiped some of a mates) and to be honest i didnt notice much diffefence when i used my own onyx both very good.
Zymol smells nice but was not as good as the swissol.
Ive been trying the new meguairs nxt stuff and so far i have been very impressed. i havent washed the car again since but I was mega impressed by the initial gloss, just have to wait to see if it lasts.
01 February 2005, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Fulham71
Max power did a similar survey last month & the winner was the same !
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01 February 2005, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Fulham71
& you dont think they took that into consideration ! lol
I am sure value for money was in their calculations dont you
I am sure value for money was in their calculations dont you
01 February 2005, 02:16 PM
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My Swissol kit has just been delivered
I have to agree.... the wax smells awesome... never mind the car... just gonna sit and sniff the samurai wax!!!!......... is wax sniffing as bad as glue sniffing
Now all I need is a nice warm sunny day so i can get out there and give her the attention she needs!!!
Paul
I have to agree.... the wax smells awesome... never mind the car... just gonna sit and sniff the samurai wax!!!!......... is wax sniffing as bad as glue sniffing
Now all I need is a nice warm sunny day so i can get out there and give her the attention she needs!!!
Paul
01 February 2005, 02:46 PM
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Just bought a Phatom, got a load of Freebies from Swissol great stuff Though have to say much easier to apply to the bike, can have it cleaned, washed & waxed in under 15 minutes.....
Though have to say much easier to apply to the bike, can have it cleaned, washed & waxed in under 15 minutes.....
01 February 2005, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by XtremeScoobies
Just bought a Phatom, got a load of Freebies from Swissol great stuff Though have to say much easier to apply to the bike, can have it cleaned, washed & waxed in under 15 minutes.....
Though have to say much easier to apply to the bike, can have it cleaned, washed & waxed in under 15 minutes.....Blobster
02 February 2005, 07:59 PM
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I use the coloured polish,I think its turtle wax,car is black,then i use the autoglym finishing wax,when its done I could not possibly get the car any shinnier.I find the coloured wax very easy to work with.Ive tried loads of diffrent products,but not swissol,and I am more than happy with the results i get JASON
02 February 2005, 08:32 PM
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well i got some of that meguirs profesional stuff but have'nt used it yet, purely on the results of this car and its no more expencive than the regular stuff
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02 February 2005, 09:57 PM
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My swissol goodies just arrived today. I can agree about the smell of the wax. I'd taste it if it wasn't the most expensive substance known to man.
Sunday looks like a clear day. Should I be setting aside 4 or 5 hours?
Sunday looks like a clear day. Should I be setting aside 4 or 5 hours?
03 February 2005, 08:55 AM
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3-4 hours will be fine depending on what you brought !
approx 3 hours for a wash cleanse & wax
a little longer if you clay bar too
But half an hour of that it while the wax is on the car !
approx 3 hours for a wash cleanse & wax
a little longer if you clay bar too
But half an hour of that it while the wax is on the car !
03 February 2005, 09:42 AM
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A question for those using the Swissol products. What car shampoo do you use? Tried the Swissol shampoo, and was not too impressed. Autoglym shampoo is great at cleaning a really dirty car, but am aware that it might well be cleaning the wax off with it as well (not pH neutral I guess....?).
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